About that Muslim Brotherhood...

[off2bed]

People who are naturally fearful, easily frightened, and terrified of those who are different are almost always Muslim Supremacists.

FYP, asshole.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Pretty typical bullshit from the peanut gallery. Assuming an awful lot there aren't ya Sparky?

The fact is that while there maybe moderate Muslims, there is no such thing as moderate Islam. It doesn't exist.

Ishmael

Your life must be a wretched mess living with all that fear you have.

 

[mercury14]

FYP, asshole.

Anything to avoid a little self-reflection...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Anything to avoid a little self-reflection...

Koalabore tries so hard to be an alpha male. Sadly, sticking up for his "bros" gets him no respect.

 

[mercury14]

The fact is that while there maybe moderate Muslims, there is no such thing as moderate Islam. It doesn't exist.

Fishmeal

So then would you also say that there may be moderate Jews, but there is no such thing as moderate Judaism?

 

[Ishmael]

And you keep proving you're the most irrational, ignorant, fearful fuckup of them all. Really though, living in fear must really be awful.

Why don't you try reading the Qu'ran, the Hadiths, and the Sunnahs? After you've digested all of that, get back to me.

As far as 'irrational' is concerned and speaking only for myself, I find it irrational not to be concerned about a religion whose avowed purpose is world domination and extermination of all those that don't care to subscribe to their particular brand of worship. Therefore I find your lack of concern irrational.

Ishmael

 

[mercury14]

Why don't you try reading the Qu'ran, the Hadiths, and the Sunnahs? After you've digested all of that, get back to me.

As far as 'irrational' is concerned and speaking only for myself, I find it irrational not to be concerned about a religion whose avowed purpose is world domination and extermination of all those that don't care to subscribe to their particular brand of worship. Therefore I find your lack of concern irrational.

Ishmael

Oh so it's not that you shouldn't be fearful, the problem is that I don't live my life in fear like Lit's conservative nutsacks?

God commands the Jews to stone to death anyone who tries to convert them. The Old Testament specifically says that there shall be no pity or mercy for this and the person must be killed without exception. So will you also stand up and proclaim that you fear Jews and that there is no such thing as moderate Judaism?

 

[Ishmael]

Oh so it's not that you shouldn't be fearful, the problem is that I don't live my life in fear like Lit's conservative nutsacks?

God commands the Jews to stone to death anyone who tries to convert them. The Old Testament specifically says that there shall be no pity or mercy for this and the person must be killed without exception. So will you also stand up and proclaim that you fear Jews and that there is no such thing as moderate Judaism?

There ya go again, assumin' shit that you have absolutely no knowledge of at all. The word used was 'concern', not fear, and certainly not irrational fear. All of those superlatives you're just conjuring up in your inner state of blissful dementia. And you wonder why you're laughed at.

Ishmael

 

[mercury14]

There ya go again, assumin' shit that you have absolutely no knowledge of at all. The word used was 'concern', not fear, and certainly not irrational fear. All of those superlatives you're just conjuring up in your inner state of blissful dementia. And you wonder why you're laughed at.

Ishmael

I know full well you used the word concern. And in no way is it an accurate term for you.

Why don't you remind everyone of your position on Sharia Law wrecking the very fabric of American society? Were you just "concerned" about that? The term is laughably inaccurate.

You're a fearful person, Ish. I assume nothing because there's not even any room for assuming. It's plain as day - all anyone has to do is read your posts. I understand that you'd like to use this space to retreat to a more mild position that sounds less bat-shit Glenn Beck crazy but it's far too late for that.

 

[Ishmael]

I know full well you used the word concern. And in no way is it an accurate term for you.

Why don't you remind everyone of your position on Sharia Law wrecking the very fabric of American society? Were you just "concerned" about that? The term is laughably inaccurate.

You're a fearful person, Ish. I assume nothing because there's not even any room for assuming. It's plain as day - all anyone has to do is read your posts. I understand that you'd like to use this space to retreat to a more mild position that sounds less bat-shit Glenn Beck crazy but it's far too late for that.

You really are terminally fucked up dude.

Ishmael

 

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[RobDownSouth]

When's the last time you saw the Israeli government stone somebody?

So you're against the death penalty now?

 

[Ishmael]

You're talking to Colonel Fubar.

Understood, he's not read anything that I can ascertain. Certainly nothing about Islam, and very little history in general. A typical product of the public school systems as they exist today.

Ishmael

 

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[Ishmael]

He recites data learned by rote during his North Korean style liberal brainwashing.

He certainly seems to fancy himself as a gifted psychoanalyst.

Ishmael

 

[patrick1]

In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of* the universalism of* the [Muslim] mission and [the obligation to] convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force... The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense... Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations.
Ibn Khaldun

Let us remind ourselves that Ibn Khaldun, a great pre-modern historian, and a man whose opinions are in no way bidning on anyone, was writing in the 15th century.

For those who comment here that there is no such thing as moderate Islam, here's Wikipedia's rather simplified outline of the different Muslim interpretations of 'jihad'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_of_Islamic_scholars_on_Jihad

I live among moderate Muslims. We have much to learn from each other.

Patrick

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

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People who are naturally fearful, easily frightened, and terrified of those who are different are almost always conservatives.

Preferable to the role of Neville Chamberlain's willingness to plunge a continent and eventually a world into a destructive war in order to maintain the Left's thin veneer of erudite superiority in nuance, subtlety, and omniscient understanding of the minds of those so very different from themselves.

Remember the conclusion of the 9-11 Report?

They were at war with us and we were still in the outreach phase?

More worried about how we would be perceived than the safety of our citizens.

But, then, hey, 3,000 is such a small price to pay for the smug air of superiority to an inferior culture which must be nurtured and brought along until it can see the light of our omnipresent sun...

Don't we just all love that ever-delusional mantra of self-conceit? The only thing we have to fear is the diverse thinking of our intolerant citizenry.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Let us remind ourselves that Ibn Khaldun, a great pre-modern historian, and a man whose opinions are in no way bidning on anyone, was writing in the 15th century.

For those who comment here that there is no such thing as moderate Islam, here's Wikipedia's rather simplified outline of the different Muslim interpretations of 'jihad'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_of_Islamic_scholars_on_Jihad

I live among moderate Muslims. We have much to learn from each other.

Patrick

I'm not contending that there is no Moderate Islam.

I contend that what "Moderate" Islam lacks is a truly modern New Testament...

One that gets away from the heroes of death in the name of religion and conquest...

Reality is, after all, reality. Islam has yet to have a come to Jesus moment.

It's funny how some people look so hard into the shadows to find backwards, violent Christianity in our own society will strain so hard only to see the good in Islam. It could very well be the death of us yet. Who knows? What happens in a world were Hitler gets the bomb first?



__________________
It's in the writings and the life of he who cannot be depicted.

When weak, be nice loving and tolerant.
When you get a little stronger, start asking for special privileges.
When you get them and are a little more numerous, demand them and threaten violence.
Once you are in the majority, everyone else must convert, submit, pay a tax and be invisible, or simply be killed.

How hard can it be for people to not get Islam? Take the Jews of Medina, in Saudi Arabia, for example, first they sheltered he who can not be depicted, and now they can't even board a Delta flight...
A_J, the Atheist

 

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Israel Security Council: Obama Naive on Muslim Brotherhood

The Muslim Brotherhood plans to cut off Israel, The Hindu says Obama wants them to talk to Taliban, Israeli officials call Obama naïve.

By Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
First Publish: 1/3/2012, 7:02 PM

Israel’s National Security Council thinks that President Barack Obama is naïve in his attitude towards the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, which stated Sunday it can’t fathom the idea of recognizing Israel.

Dr. Rashad Bayumi, the Brotherhood’s number two leader, said on Sunday, "No Muslim Brotherhood members will engage in any contact or normalization with Israel.”

President Obama has asked the Muslim Brotherhood’s leading jurist, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, to mediate secret talks between the United States and the Taliban, according to The Hindu newspaper. The jurist previously has called for killing U.S. soldiers in Iraq and has vowed that Islam “will conquer Europe [and] will conquer America,” whether by force or by the spread of radical Islam.

More @

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...plications – even if fraud is fearedThe Daily

 

[patrick1]

Preferable to the role of Neville Chamberlain's willingness to plunge a continent and eventually a world into a destructive war in order to maintain the Left's thin veneer of erudite superiority in nuance, subtlety, and omniscient understanding of the minds of those so very different from themselves.

[snip]

Neville Chamberlain was of the right, not the left.

I'm not contending that there is no Moderate Islam.

[snip]

A_J, the Atheist

No, I was responding to others who directly said that, not you.

Patrick

 

[RobDownSouth]

Damn, where's AJ? President Obama announced yesterday that the United States would now establish ties with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, seeing as they essentially won the election and all.

The Israeli press, naturally, is shitting their collective britches.

WHAR ARE YOU AJ? WHAR?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Neville Chamberlain was of the right, not the left.

One wonders what that has to do with Minnesota in 1812...



At a time between the wars, when almost all of Europe had embraced Socialism, all you're doing is placing him in the same spectrum as Hitler thus highlighting one of the absurdities of Socialist thought, that Socialist nations ensure world peace better then competitive Capitalism.

 

[patrick1]

One wonders what that has to do with Minnesota in 1812...

At a time between the wars, when almost all of Europe had embraced Socialism, all you're doing is placing him in the same spectrum as Hitler thus highlighting one of the absurdities of Socialist thought, that Socialist nations ensure world peace better then competitive Capitalism.

I'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about. Chamberlain was a Conservative. I'm not placing him in the same spectrum as Hitler at all. People can be called right-wing without being bracketed with Hitler can't they?

I have no view on whether socialist nations ensure world peace better than competitive capitalism.

I'm not clear what you mean by saying that almost all of Europe had embraced Socialism. Germany was ruled by Nazis from 1933; Italy by Fascists. Spain was mostly ruled by conservatives, but for a brief 1931-33 radical/socialist coalition, and spent the years till 1931 and from 1939 under military dictatorship. France was mostly ruled by conservatives; the supposedly 'Socialist' period of 1936-40 was also characterized by anti-union repression and a liberal, not socialist, economic policy. Scandinavia certainly became 'social democrat' in the 20s and 30s, which I daresay some might regard as 'socialist' though they remained fundamentally capitalist and consensual. I would be puzzled if the central European states spearheaded by Masaryk's Czechoslovakia could be regarded as socialist though they did regard themselves as 'progressive'.

Patrick

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yeah, all sorts of Socialists and appeasers in America call themselves "conservatives" too.