Is Libertarianism the knife to finish off Social Democracy?

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Social Democracy is the technical (international) name for what we call "liberalism" in the US.

It is a sick, vile, demented ideology based on envy and group hate masquerading as a benevolent force for "equality and freedom." Just like its sister ideology, Marxist-Leninism, Social Democracy is build on foundation of lies and double speak, and uses any means to maintain power and control over its dominated societies and oppressed subjects. The main difference is that Communism at least had some redeeming qualities, while Social Democracy (aka "liberalism") has zero redeeming qualities and lacks even the rudimentary charm and class that Communism at least possessed to a certain degree.

For many decades, there have been signs that we were on the verge of getting rid of Social Democracy / "liberalism" once and for all and assigning it to the trash heep of history where it belongs (I wouldn't even give it a grave marker myself, it can be thrown out with the dog droppings and left over food waste as far as I'm concerned).

First there was the neo-Conservative movement in the US with Goldwater, Nixon, and finally, of course, Reagan, as well as Thatcher in Britain. It seemed like the "Reagan Revolution" was the answer to the plague of liberal evil that had been besetting society for the previous decades, yet Reagan turned out to be a fraud who really didn't do crap to end Social Democracy. Then there was the rise of populist neo-nationalism in the 90s, mostly in Europe, with Le Pen, Haider and others (and Buchanan in the US). They rose quickly in the polls and then fell just as quickly into obscurity. Who or what was now left to challenge the evil of the Social Democratic / "liberal" plague? By the 2000's it seemed very bleak indeed.

Finally, like a Phoenix from the ashes of eternal damnation, comes the rising flame of Libertarianism to possibly save western man and the entirity of humanity. These unexpected ideologies have risen to challenge the Social Democratic establishment before, but it seems as though this could be the time and the place to finally triumph in glory over The Evil. Can Libertarianism be the Way to revival and reserrection of human life on Earth, or is it yet another false hope that will be beaten down by The Evil?

Is now finally The Time? :confused:
 
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No. In the end it'll win out and you'll be forgotten. Or studied as a prime example of how NOT to run a society.
 
No. In the end it'll win out and you'll be forgotten. Or studied as a prime example of how NOT to run a society.
Libertarians will get their own island. It will die quick in an orgy of greed, betrayal and selfishness. The world will move on.
 
Can Libertarianism be the Way to revival and reserrection of human life on Earth . . .

:confused: Ermm, no, you would want a voodoo wizard-priest for that, if the thing in question were dead, which it isn't, not even metaphorically.
 
Actually there is a country solely run by the principles of libertarianism

it's called Somalia

look how well that's turned out
 
The US Democratic Party is a rough equivalent to the Social Democratic parties in most European countries.

No, the Working Families Party, etc., well to the left of the Dems, are the rough equivalent of the Social Democrats. The Dems are practically Christian Democrats by Euro standards.
 
No, it's the name for we call "progressive" in the U.S., which is something well to the left of "liberal" and well to the right of "socialist." See the Working Families Party. Or the Vermont Progressive Party. And they have no reason to be scared of Libertarians.

*chuckle*

You people have a label for every single nuance of the same economic theory: Government Interventionalism.

Of course, all you see is the positive interference of government and the good you intend.

You never look to the actual consequences of your actions though...
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Now, is actual, original Liberalism going to be the answer?

No, because at this point it will require groups to surrender privileges won.

It can only come about through the eventual, logical overwhelming of resources as advocated by Cloward and Piven, collapse and revolution, but keep in mind, those that want to control a strong central government far outnumber those of us who prefer local government to be the strongest form of government. They cannot enact their good Christian works and Social Crusades at the grass roots level; some of us might get left out of the web of altruistic intention nor can they see how it possibly can go wrong, for every single nuance of Socialism believes their viewpoint will actually be the prevailing viewpoint, after all, they're rational, educated, independent thinkers...

;) ;)
 
Now, is actual, original Liberalism going to be the answer?

No, because at this point it will require groups to surrender privileges won.

It can only come about through the eventual, logical overwhelming of resources as advocated by Cloward and Piven, collapse and revolution, but keep in mind, those that want to control a strong central government far outnumber those of us who prefer local government to be the strongest form of government. They cannot enact their good Christian works and Social Crusades at the grass roots level; some of us might get left out of the web of altruistic intention nor can they see how it possibly can go wrong, for every single nuance of Socialism believes their viewpoint will actually be the prevailing viewpoint, after all, they're rational, educated, independent thinkers...

;) ;)

You mean removing their grubby hands from the treasury.

Ishmael
 
You mean removing their grubby hands from the treasury.

Ishmael

Taking the mouths off the teats; will the little piggies ever squeal!

:D

If Libertarianism is to be the knife, then surely it is the Internet that is the hand, for in the traditional media venues, everything non-Keynesian (or Socialist) by way of economic theory was simply dismissed out of hand as already being discredited...

The one can observe easily the falling of numbers for the two parties of Democratic-Socialist Washington and the rise of the number of Independents and reach, albeit with the possibility of post hoc ergo propter hoc, a conclusion as to the new direction of Middle-Class economic thinking, a phenomenon which seems to have sailed over the heads of our insulated political leadership.
 
Taking the mouths off the teats; will the little piggies ever squeal!

:D

If Libertarianism is to be the knife, then surely it is the Internet that is the hand, for in the traditional media venues, everything non-Keynesian (or Socialist) by way of economic theory was simply dismissed out of hand as already being discredited...

The one can observe easily the falling of numbers for the two parties of Democratic-Socialist Washington and the rise of the number of Independents and reach, albeit with the possibility of post hoc ergo propter hoc, a conclusion as to the new direction of Middle-Class economic thinking, a phenomenon which seems to have sailed over the heads of our insulated political leadership.

Actually the democrat numbers are fairly steady, they have their parasites firmly corralled.

Ishmael
 
*chuckle*

You people have a label for every single nuance of the same economic theory: Government Interventionalism.
*chuckle* indeed.

Everything except libertarian extremism on a scale not even rank and file libertarians can stomach is "Government Internventionalism".

It's just a question of intervention into what and by what means.

"Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price."
 
No surprise there. The core constituency of both parties has always been in the high 20's, low 30's.

Ishmael

It's the Independents that have gained.


I think an aging population, seeing as the truism is that the elderly vote, is creating, perhaps, more participation...

:cool:
 
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