Exactly what is the definition of "Fair Share?"

[JohnnySavage]

Sorry, you must have misread what i intended. My comment was directed at the "Fair Share" of this thread.

Stop posting in crayon.

 

[shadowsbeauty]

Make me

 

[rosco rathbone]

"Fair" is determined politically, contingently and in context.

In 1100 AD, it was "fair" for the local lord to take half your harvest and rape your comely daughter in exchange for occasionally drafting you to pick up your flail or pruning hook and go off to fight some other poor bastards who were in the same boat.

We're currently involved in a political battle over the modern meaning of "fair".

 

[garbage can]

Does anyone want to help educate the conservative wingnuts who don't know what "fair share" means?

*Willing to learn*

 

[garbage can]

One for you, two for me, one for you three for me, one for you four for me...!

*laughing*... that was Abbot and Costello....

1 for you, 1 for me, 2 for you, 1,2 for me, 3 for you, 1,2,3, for me....

 

[BoyNextDoor]

"All."

Don't let them tell you otherwise. Worshiping at the Shrine of the Labour Theory of Value, they see all "capital" as evil, requiring draining and elimination, in favor of collective (read: "fair') control over the means of production. Thus, the "fair share" for capital to be taxed is 100%.

Smith and Ricardo used the Labor Theory of Value in their economic analysis. Pretty hard to think of them as anti-capitalist.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Make yourself useful.

Really? And "Cope" and you telling me how your imagining being stranded on a desert island is somehow enlightened social theory.

ok - So what are the people who have no coping skills supposed to do? The OP asks a good question about fairness. And if the answer is pay your own way - then we are telling people who cannot pay their own way that their life is an unjust burden on the rest of us?

Sounds a lot like what Ebeneezer said before the first ghost showed up:



``Are there no prisons?'' asked Scrooge.

``Plenty of prisons,'' said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

``And the Union workhouses?'' demanded Scrooge. ``Are they still in operation?''

``They are. Still,'' returned the gentleman, `` I wish I could say they were not.''

``The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?'' said Scrooge.

``Both very busy, sir.''

``Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,'' said Scrooge. ``I'm very glad to hear it.''

``Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,'' returned the gentleman, ``a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?''

``Nothing!'' Scrooge replied.

``You wish to be anonymous?''

``I wish to be left alone,'' said Scrooge. ``Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned: they cost enough: and those who are badly off must go there.''

``Many can't go there; and many would rather die.''

``If they would rather die,'' said Scrooge, ``they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.

 

[shadowsbeauty]

Really? And "Cope" and you telling me how your imagining being stranded on a desert island is somehow enlightened social theory.

ok - So what are the people who have no coping skills supposed to do? The OP asks a good question about fairness. And if the answer is pay your own way - then we are telling people who cannot pay their own way that their life is an unjust burden on the rest of us?

Sounds a lot like what Ebeneezer said before the first ghost showed up:



``Are there no prisons?'' asked Scrooge.

``Plenty of prisons,'' said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

``And the Union workhouses?'' demanded Scrooge. ``Are they still in operation?''

``They are. Still,'' returned the gentleman, `` I wish I could say they were not.''

``The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?'' said Scrooge.

``Both very busy, sir.''

``Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,'' said Scrooge. ``I'm very glad to hear it.''

``Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,'' returned the gentleman, ``a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?''

``Nothing!'' Scrooge replied.

``You wish to be anonymous?''

``I wish to be left alone,'' said Scrooge. ``Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned: they cost enough: and those who are badly off must go there.''

``Many can't go there; and many would rather die.''

``If they would rather die,'' said Scrooge, ``they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.

But doesn't that go in hand with taking responsibility for ones life? When Maxine Waters declared her community tired of the high unemployment one has to wonder how many are living of the government because the benefits are better, the lack of education or manual skills that are contributing to the high rate, so shouldn't you be asking why don't they have coping skills?...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

But doesn't that go in hand with taking responsibility for ones life? When Maxine Waters declared her community tired of the high unemployment one has to wonder how many are living of the government because the benefits are better, the lack of education or manual skills that are contributing to the high rate, so shouldn't you be asking why don't they have coping skills?...

If youre raised in a pond and spent your life with frogs its tough to imagine yourself a prince. People fear and hate change.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Really? And "Cope" and you telling me how your imagining being stranded on a desert island is somehow enlightened social theory.

ok - So what are the people who have no coping skills supposed to do? The OP asks a good question about fairness. And if the answer is pay your own way - then we are telling people who cannot pay their own way that their life is an unjust burden on the rest of us?

Sounds a lot like what Ebeneezer said before the first ghost showed up:



``Are there no prisons?'' asked Scrooge.

``Plenty of prisons,'' said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

``And the Union workhouses?'' demanded Scrooge. ``Are they still in operation?''

``They are. Still,'' returned the gentleman, `` I wish I could say they were not.''

``The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?'' said Scrooge.

``Both very busy, sir.''

``Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,'' said Scrooge. ``I'm very glad to hear it.''

``Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,'' returned the gentleman, ``a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?''

``Nothing!'' Scrooge replied.

``You wish to be anonymous?''

``I wish to be left alone,'' said Scrooge. ``Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned: they cost enough: and those who are badly off must go there.''

``Many can't go there; and many would rather die.''

``If they would rather die,'' said Scrooge, ``they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.

Let me say it anuther way: When I take care of me the world has less of a burden.

 

[Sean Renaud]

But doesn't that go in hand with taking responsibility for ones life? When Maxine Waters declared her community tired of the high unemployment one has to wonder how many are living of the government because the benefits are better, the lack of education or manual skills that are contributing to the high rate, so shouldn't you be asking why don't they have coping skills?...

No. You should be wondering why minimum wage is so low and unlivable that government benefits are better than burger flipping. 40 hours a week flipping a burger should be enough to live without government assistance (ie. food stamps or section 8 housing).

 

[Unclebill]

I'm a liberal's WORST Nightmare.

Actually, a liberal's worst nightmare is anyone who thinks.

 

[Unclebill]

What should you do if you cannot pay your own way?

If you are literally incapable of paying your own way, i.e., being responsible for sustaining own existence, then I suppose you are dependent on your family or the benevolence of your fellow man. In that case, you are fortunate if you live in the USA which is home to the most generous people in the world.

If it's just that you don't want to support yourself, then you deserve the results of your endeavors but nothing justifies becoming a criminal. That merely means you have elected to live as an animal rather than as a human being preying on your fellow man. In so doing, you are accepting the false premise of the savage, uncivilized practice of human sacrifice, i.e., sacrificing your fellow man for your own benefit.

Unless you are utterly incapable of being responsible for your own sustenance, find something for which you can convince your fellow man that you are worth being paid to do for him. Develop a product, service or skill of value to your fellow man and you will be paid handsomely for it, e.g., Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Andrew Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller and a host of others who created immense wealth and raised the standard of living not only for themselves but for mankind as a whole.

Failing all else, move into the wilderness and 'live off the land', i.e, sustain yourself by your own efforts, as many have done in the past. But asking some political thug to steal the wealth of your fellow man to support you is no more honorable than becoming yourself the thug who robs his fellow man.

In fact, between the two options, I actually have more respect for the thug who attacks his victim face to face. At least he has the courage to admit the predatory animal he is instead of the coward who votes for some political thug to do his stealing for him with the sanctimonious pomposity as if he is doing something noble.

 

[miles]

If you are literally incapable of paying your own way, i.e., being responsible for sustaining own existence, then I suppose you are dependent on your family or the benevolence of your fellow man. In that case, you are fortunate if you live in the USA which is home to the most generous people in the world.

If it's just that you don't want to support yourself, then you deserve the results of your endeavors but nothing justifies becoming a criminal. That merely means you have elected to live as an animal rather than as a human being preying on your fellow man. In so doing, you are accepting the false premise of the savage, uncivilized practice of human sacrifice, i.e., sacrificing your fellow man for your own benefit.

Unless you are utterly incapable of being responsible for your own sustenance, find something for which you can convince your fellow man that you are worth being paid to do for him. Develop a product, service or skill of value to your fellow man and you will be paid handsomely for it, e.g., Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Andrew Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller and a host of others who created immense wealth and raised the standard of living not only for themselves but for mankind as a whole.

Failing all else, move into the wilderness and 'live off the land', i.e, sustain yourself by your own efforts, as many have done in the past. But asking some political thug to steal the wealth of your fellow man to support you is no more honorable than becoming yourself the thug who robs his fellow man.

In fact, between the two options, I actually have more respect for the thug who attacks his victim face to face. At least he has the courage to admit the predatory animal he is instead of the coward who votes for some political thug to do his stealing for him with the sanctimonious pomposity as if he is doing something noble.

Unfortunately, liberals' ability to process facts and logic are severely limited. They'll respond eventually by calling you a racist, homophobic, right-wing gun nut who drowns kittens and puppies.

 

[cubbies]

My fair share is what I'm selling and what you will buy.

 

[yellowcamaro1]

explained

It's very simple really.

Do one percent of our population contribute to forty percent of our economy? Is that really the value of their contribution, (when they actually do very little)?

No? It's not? Then they should not have forty percent of the wealth.



Forty percent is much larger than their contribution. Perhaps you will tell me that one percent of the population contribute four percent to production. That i can stomach. But not this.

 

[yellowcamaro1]

It's very simple really.

Do one percent of our population contribute to forty percent of our economy? Is that really the value of their contribution, (when they actually do very little)?

No? It's not? Then they should not have forty percent of the wealth.



Forty percent is much larger than their contribution. Perhaps you will tell me that one percent of the population contribute four percent to production. That i can stomach. But not this.

In other words, you get what you contribute. Nothing more. Make a big contribution, get a big share. Make a small one, get a small share.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Karen Kraft]

Smith and Ricardo used the Labor Theory of Value in their economic analysis. Pretty hard to think of them as anti-capitalist.

Objection: non-responsive.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What should you do if you cannot pay your own way?

Explain to us the condition. There are a lot of answers...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Steal? Engage in the underground economy of drugs and prostitution? Is that an acceptable coping mechanism?

This is comically simple.

Please expound upon your original broadside and bring it about to a point with a little sharpening...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"Fair" is determined politically, contingently and in context.

In 1100 AD, it was "fair" for the local lord to take half your harvest and rape your comely daughter in exchange for occasionally drafting you to pick up your flail or pruning hook and go off to fight some other poor bastards who were in the same boat.

We're currently involved in a political battle over the modern meaning of "fair".

Yes, the eternal desire of the Left is to replace equal opportunity with equal outcome for all.

Talk about the perfect medium to grow sloth...

Take what you need, give if you can.

What's not to love about that plan?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Smith and Ricardo used the Labor Theory of Value in their economic analysis. Pretty hard to think of them as anti-capitalist.

That's pretty much a factoid.

If you think Labor as value, then you probably fall prey to the Robinson Crusoe fallacy as described by Bastiat or summed up by Keynes with the famous quip, "Then why don't you give them spoons [with which to dig the canal to nowhere]?"

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Actually, a liberal's worst nightmare is anyone who thinks.

Self reliance is a close 2nd.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Coping skills???




My Gawd, has it come to that? Adam Carolla was right.... sheeeeesh...

I lacks the mad coping skills, feed me, house me, clothe me, give me clubbin' money...