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Exactly what is the definition of "Fair Share?"

Wat_Tyler said:
Coach Todd Haley: Hey, Tyler. Can you come over here a second?

Quarterback Tyler Palko(looks up from braiding third-stringer Ricky Stanzi's hair): Just a second, coach. I'm still working on Ricky's French braid.

Haley: Tyler, it's kind of important.

Palko: You're right, coach. If I don't get this done before the quarter starts, he's going to have a half-done braid on national television.

Haley (looking at Romeo Crennel): Romeo, little help here?

Crennel: Sorry, Todd, got my hands full here (looks down at his hands, which are literally full of Polish sausages).

Haley (looks at Kyle Orton, who has been soft-tossing a football for the entire first quarter): Carl, get in there.

Orton (under his breath as he slides on his helmet): It's Kyle ... or Neckbeard.
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lol - I saw that too just a few minutes ago...

Dat dere is some funny shit man!

:D :D :D
 
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Wat_Tyler said:
Beyond Timmahdome!!!


We'll see what Bill has for Timmah in a few more days.
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Chicago's gonna be angry; it was the Hail Mary...

At least we may have spared the Bronco D the agony of Forte...

:cool:

They're gonna want to get even with Jesus for what his mom did to them. :nods:
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
Chicago's gonna be angry; it was the Hail Mary...

At least we may have spared the Bronco D the agony of Forte...

:cool:

They're gonna want to get even with Jesus for what his mom did to them. :nods:
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They'll be ecstatic since the Spawn get to go to the freezer that is Lambeau this time of year.


*rattles rosary beads*
 
Unclebill said:
Sure. It's quite simple. Anyone who pays his own way is paying his fair share.

The rich pay their own way and for that of others as well.

For example, Bill Gates has paid the way for thousands if not millions of others. By creating Microsoft, his company employs thousands (or more) directly which means he is paying them a salary and thus he is 'paying their way'.

The programs produced by Microsoft provide many others the capacity to create their own business, e.g., free lance programmers using various MS programming languages. MS Office has provided the tools for many employees of other companies to be more productive.

James J. Hill (Northern Pacific RR builder), Andrew Carnegie (steel industry), John D. Rockefeller (Standard Oil) all paid the way for a multitude of people they employed to work for them. They set in motion the means for thousands of other Americans to prosper.

Stealing and redistributing their wealth is the collectivist way (liberalism/progressivism) of 'leveling the playing field' and trying to create their utopian wold in which equality of outcome is the only terms in which they can understand equality.

The real problem with their ideology is that it is not possible to elevate everyone to the achievement level of these giants of industry, creativity and innovation thus the inevitable result is that the implementation of their utopian fantasy is the destruction of the most able and productive.
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If it ain't Uncle Bill!

Long time no see.
 
miles said:
If it ain't Uncle Bill!

Long time no see.
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Indeed...

When you work in a modern factory, you are paid, not only for your labor, but for all the productive genius which has made that factory possible: for the work of the industrialist who built it, for the work of the investor who saved money to risk on the untried and new, for the work of the engineer who designed who designed the machines of which you are pushing the levers, for the inventor who create the product on which you spend your time making, for the work of the scientist who discovered the laws that went into the making of that product, for the work of the philosopher who taught men how to think and whom you spend your time denouncing.
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Every man is free to rise as far as he's able or willing, but it's only to the degree that he thinks that determines the degree to which he'll rise. Physical labor as such can extend no further than the range of the moment. The man who does no more than physical labor, consumes the equivalent of the material value-equivalent of his own contribution to the process of production and leaves no further value neither for himself, nor others. ... Material products can't be shared, they belong to some ultimate consumer; it is only the values of an idea which can be shared in unlimited numbers of men making all sharer's richer at no one's sacrifice or loss, raising the productive capacity of whatever labor they perform.
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In proportion to the mental energy he spent, the man who creates a new invention receives but a small percentage of his value in terms of material payment, no matter what fortune he makes, no matter what millions he earns. But the man who works as a janitor in the factory producing that invention receives an enormous payment in proportion to the mental effort that his job requires of him. And the same is true of all men between, on all levels of ambition and ability. The man at the top of the intellectual pyramid contributes the most to all those below him, getting nothing except his material payment, receiving no intellectual bonus from others to add to the value of his time. The man at the bottom, who left to himself, would starve in his hopeless ineptitude, contributes nothing to those above him, but receives the bonus of all their brains. Such is the nature of the 'competition' between the strong and the weak of the intellect. Such is the pattern of 'exploitation' for which you have damned the strong.
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John Galt
Atlas Shrugged
 
Unclebill said:
Sure. It's quite simple. Anyone who pays his own way is paying his fair share.

The rich pay their own way and for that of others as well.

For example, Bill Gates has paid the way for thousands if not millions of others. By creating Microsoft, his company employs thousands (or more) directly which means he is paying them a salary and thus he is 'paying their way'.

The programs produced by Microsoft provide many others the capacity to create their own business, e.g., free lance programmers using various MS programming languages. MS Office has provided the tools for many employees of other companies to be more productive.

James J. Hill (Northern Pacific RR builder), Andrew Carnegie (steel industry), John D. Rockefeller (Standard Oil) all paid the way for a multitude of people they employed to work for them. They set in motion the means for thousands of other Americans to prosper.

Stealing and redistributing their wealth is the collectivist way (liberalism/progressivism) of 'leveling the playing field' and trying to create their utopian wold in which equality of outcome is the only terms in which they can understand equality.

The real problem with their ideology is that it is not possible to elevate everyone to the achievement level of these giants of industry, creativity and innovation thus the inevitable result is that the implementation of their utopian fantasy is the destruction of the most able and productive.
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What should you do if you cannot pay your own way?
 
boyNextDoor2010 said:
What should you do if you cannot pay your own way?
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Cope.

The question I ask myself is: IF YOU WASHED UP ON THE BEACH OF A DESERT ISLAND HOW'D YOU COPE? And the answer to this question guides my actions here, now.
 
JAMESBJOHNSON said:
Cope.

The question I ask myself is: IF YOU WASHED UP ON THE BEACH OF A DESERT ISLAND HOW'D YOU COPE? And the answer to this question guides my actions here, now.
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Steal? Engage in the underground economy of drugs and prostitution? Is that an acceptable coping mechanism?
 


I didn't write this. I know the person who did. When you boil all the flowery rhetoric down, this is the message:




...Obama made it clear that his campaign message was going to be us against them. Us is the non-millionaires, the working class, and those who can’t find a job. Them is the wealthy class, Wall Street and, for that matter, the entire business community. Us has been going nowhere for a decade and the President’s message is that the fault lies with them. Since us outnumbers them, it is a strong populist message...
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miles said:
Liberals love the phrase. Obama was spewing it today. I think it means taking from someone who has more than you.

Comments?
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"All."

Don't let them tell you otherwise. Worshiping at the Shrine of the Labour Theory of Value, they see all "capital" as evil, requiring draining and elimination, in favor of collective (read: "fair') control over the means of production. Thus, the "fair share" for capital to be taxed is 100%.
 
Wouldn't it be interesting to watch what would happen if everyone was forced to take responsibility for their own welfare and their families instead of having someone else do it for them. Obama's glowing speech yesterday ratifying his argument for the opposite is just another nail in his presidential coffin:rose: IMHO
 
shadowsbeauty said:
Wouldn't it be interesting to watch what would happen if everyone was forced to take responsibility for their own welfare and their families instead of having someone else do it for them. Obama's glowing speech yesterday ratifying his argument for the opposite is just another nail in his presidential coffin:rose: IMHO
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Maybe, but it's a great way to buy votes from 50% of all households who pay no income tax.
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
A_J's corollary #11, “The New Age Liberal defines a fair share of taxes as, ‘When you pay your taxes, you have no more money left than anyone else has.’”


Otherwise, you've obviously "benefitted" too much...

:nods:
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Not at all. That's just a lie you tell yourself so you don't have to engage in actual conversations.

Also Atlas Shrugged is such a zany plot that it wasn't really working for the heroes in a fantasy universe where the god wanted them to win.

shadowsbeauty said:
Wouldn't it be interesting to watch what would happen if everyone was forced to take responsibility for their own welfare and their families instead of having someone else do it for them. Obama's glowing speech yesterday ratifying his argument for the opposite is just another nail in his presidential coffin:rose: IMHO
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Yeah. It'd be funny. I hope I get good seats for the fires though.
 
shadowsbeauty said:
Wouldn't it be interesting to watch what would happen if everyone was forced to take responsibility for their own welfare and their families instead of having someone else do it for them. Obama's glowing speech yesterday ratifying his argument for the opposite is just another nail in his presidential coffin:rose: IMHO
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Of course, your carefully constructed Fantasyland has a nasty tendency to fall apart when life's unexpected obstacles pop up:

What happens when a company downsizes and the primary breadwinner is out of a job? Do we give the breadwinner a stern lecture about how he of she chose poorly with regard to a career field?

What about those putrid glibertarians who willfully forego health insurance in order to make a political point? Should their ill children be forced to suffer for their parents ignorance?
 
Sorry, you must have misread what i intended. My comment was directed at the "Fair Share" of this thread:rose:.
 
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