Under Age

[bumblegrum]

Good morning (it is here) to my author comrades. I have a small question about the issue of writing about under age sex. I KNOW (I do) that this is prohibited in Lit, and I'm fine with that.

However, I'm writing a story which would benefit from one character describing stuff that happened to her as a child/young teen. The character is now in her late 30s. My question is, can I include material in the words of a mature character relating to sexual experiences (abuse in this case) as a child?

Technically speaking, I suppose it would be possible to get round the under-age ban by writing a whole story in which the mature character reviews their life and sexual experiences as a young person. But I'd be willing to bet that any such story would be rejected. Would a story in which a character refers to such an experience as a small component of a much wider story focussed on mature sex also be rejected for the same reason?

Many thanks, guys.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

I think that if you mention the abuse in passing without any description of the act you should be fine. Just don't go into any detail.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

I've read one story on here where the author touched on sexual escapades their character participated in at the age of 12 (or 13) and at the age of 8. I was very surprised the story had been approved by Lit., but then realized it was most likely approved because of a "bot" program. The descriptions, though brief, disgusted me and I couldn't stomach finishing the story. I did report the piece, but it still remains, so you may be able to put some detail in there and be okay, if not then your story will be rejected and you'll know you need to change things.

Personally, I would not want to read the details. You could tell what happened, but not in intimate erotic detail. But that's just my opinion on the matter.

 

[lovecraft68]

Good morning (it is here) to my author comrades. I have a small question about the issue of writing about under age sex. I KNOW (I do) that this is prohibited in Lit, and I'm fine with that.

However, I'm writing a story which would benefit from one character describing stuff that happened to her as a child/young teen. The character is now in her late 30s. My question is, can I include material in the words of a mature character relating to sexual experiences (abuse in this case) as a child?

Technically speaking, I suppose it would be possible to get round the under-age ban by writing a whole story in which the mature character reviews their life and sexual experiences as a young person. But I'd be willing to bet that any such story would be rejected. Would a story in which a character refers to such an experience as a small component of a much wider story focussed on mature sex also be rejected for the same reason?

Many thanks, guys.

I've done it, and it passed through. Like you, I was writing about a woman in her 30's who was badly abused. I had her relive an episode of that abuse in a dream sequence and it was approved. Honestly, with this site you never know until you try.

 

[Darkniciad]

My experience is that the report story button is about as effective as sending an email. It seems that hitting that is just sending text into the void.

I reported one that was blatantly ( and almost completely ) underage, openly stating that the characters were as young as 14. Nothing happened until I sent a PM to Laurel here on the forum, at which time the story vanished within 20 minutes.

As to the question, if there's any detail beyond something such as "I was sexually abused" or "I lost my virginity at xxteen" then you stand a strong chance of the story being rejected. If it does slip through the cracks, it stands an equally strong chance of being rejected after the fact if anybody reports it.

Characters under 18 can't have any form of sexual thoughts or experience beyond the bland statement, whether in the now, or in flashbacks.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

My experience is that the report story button is about as effective as sending an email. It seems that hitting that is just sending text into the void.

I reported one that was blatantly ( and almost completely ) underage, openly stating that the characters were as young as 14. Nothing happened until I sent a PM to Laurel here on the forum, at which time the story vanished within 20 minutes.

As to the question, if there's any detail beyond something such as "I was sexually abused" or "I lost my virginity at xxteen" then you stand a strong chance of the story being rejected. If it does slip through the cracks, it stands an equally strong chance of being rejected after the fact if anybody reports it.

Characters under 18 can't have any form of sexual thoughts or experience beyond the bland statement, whether in the now, or in flashbacks.

I'll remember that if I ever run across that story again. It doesn't belong here.

 

[Weird Harold]

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However, I'm writing a story which would benefit from one character describing stuff that happened to her as a child/young teen. The character is now in her late 30s. My question is, can I include material in the words of a mature character relating to sexual experiences (abuse in this case) as a child?

You can have a character admit to sexual activity, but they cannot describe the actual activity -- especially not describe the activity in graphic detail.

"I started havind sex with my parents at age six," is probably OK. Describing Dad's penis and Mom's vagina probably isn't.

Technically speaking, I suppose it would be possible to get round the under-age ban by writing a whole story in which the mature character reviews their life and sexual experiences as a young person.

Somewhere in the FAQs, there is the admonition that, "if a scene, taken out of context, is indistinguishable from underage sex, then it will be treated as underage sex." The specific refernce is to daddy-daughter role-play but would apply to flashbacks as well

 

[Trinique_Fire]

I've read one story on here where the author touched on sexual escapades their character participated in at the age of 12 (or 13) and at the age of 8. I was very surprised the story had been approved by Lit., but then realized it was most likely approved because of a "bot" program. The descriptions, though brief, disgusted me and I couldn't stomach finishing the story. I did report the piece, but it still remains, so you may be able to put some detail in there and be okay, if not then your story will be rejected and you'll know you need to change things.

Personally, I would not want to read the details. You could tell what happened, but not in intimate erotic detail. But that's just my opinion on the matter.

On that note, Red, you reminded me of a story I read on here about seven years ago about a girl whose mother died and she had to go live with her father. It was pretty clear that the girl was underage. More recently, ONE of the chapters has been cut from this site. For whatever reason, the other three are still hanging on.

 

[lovecraft68]

Something not being mentioned here is that the site will sometimes extend leeway if the scene extends the plot of the story.

There is also a difference in writing for stroke or to "appall" the readers. Glossing over a girl being sexually assaulted in a way that makes the reader go "oh, that poor girl" is different than a detailed scene that would make all the pricks in the Non consent section start drooling.

On the subject of Non consent and Rape. Lit allegedly has a stance on rape, but again will let some things slide if it moves the story.

I have pulled off both with no issues.

 

[lovecraft68]

On that note, Red, you reminded me of a story I read on here about seven years ago about a girl whose mother died and she had to go live with her father. It was pretty clear that the girl was underage. More recently, ONE of the chapters has been cut from this site. For whatever reason, the other three are still hanging on.

There was story in erotic horror awhile back that was a contest entry and mentioned the girl was 15.

There were several comments on the story mentioning that fact and several people complained. A year later it was still there.

I had a bug up my ass the day I found it and started a thread about it. It was gone that day. They are busy people and will really only take notice when it is really shoved at them.

 

[sr71plt]

My experience is that the report story button is about as effective as sending an email. It seems that hitting that is just sending text into the void.

I've used the button on occasion with rather fast results. I always thought that using the button was what got the result. (But then I've used the button a few times with no result too.)

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

On that note, Red, you reminded me of a story I read on here about seven years ago about a girl whose mother died and she had to go live with her father. It was pretty clear that the girl was underage. More recently, ONE of the chapters has been cut from this site. For whatever reason, the other three are still hanging on.

If the other three aren't mentioning the age, then that's why it's probably still hanging.

Something not being mentioned here is that the site will sometimes extend leeway if the scene extends the plot of the story.

There is also a difference in writing for stroke or to "appall" the readers. Glossing over a girl being sexually assaulted in a way that makes the reader go "oh, that poor girl" is different than a detailed scene that would make all the pricks in the Non consent section start drooling.

On the subject of Non consent and Rape. Lit allegedly has a stance on rape, but again will let some things slide if it moves the story.

I have pulled off both with no issues.

I wrote a story that was rape, and I put it in the non-consent/reluctance category. It was my first story in that genre for the site. It was rejected because of the obvious rape factor. The plot of the story depended on the violence of the actions, so with wording it that mentally the woman hated what was happening, but also fought with herself over the desire her body craved - it was accepted the second time I submitted it.

 

[sr71plt]

I'll have to admit I've had a few gang bang rapes that sailed right through. I usually write it up as being inclined to want fantacize doing that before it's done, but I don't think I've always done that.

On the OP, I suggest you might as well try out what you want to write and see if it flies here. If not, you can either water it down and try it again or post to another story site that will take it.

 

[lovecraft68]

I had someone e-mail me that they used the button on one of my stories because I mentioned a girl getting gang raped at 14. I gave a few details, but the thing was it was not happening in "current time" The woman was in her eraly forties and recalling the story.

Halfway down the page she describes how she brutally kills the men who attacked her. The reader also called me out for extreme violence. He left a public comment about it as well. As is my habit I left it there.

The story was never pulled and I never heard anything from the site. Comment is still there as well.

 

[Darkniciad]

I've used the button on occasion with rather fast results. I always thought that using the button was what got the result. (But then I've used the button a few times with no result too.)

Suppose it's always worth a try ( and convenient, because it stores all the details of the URL, so you don't have to type it )

I waited several days on this one ( contest story ) and saw nothing happen, so I finally went the PM route.

The story actually wasn't bad, and fairly realistic ( the characters were close in age, so it wasn't overly creepy ) but it just blatantly broke the rules, in extensive detail.

It would have been just one more story for complainers to say "This one got through. Why was mine rejected?"

 

[lovecraft68]

Suppose it's always worth a try ( and convenient, because it stores all the details of the URL, so you don't have to type it )

I waited several days on this one ( contest story ) and saw nothing happen, so I finally went the PM route.

The story actually wasn't bad, and fairly realistic ( the characters were close in age, so it wasn't overly creepy ) but it just blatantly broke the rules, in extensive detail.

It would have been just one more story for complainers to say "This one got through. Why was mine rejected?"

Personally I wonder if they don;t pay a lot of attention to "The Button" because something tells me there are people who will click report this story out of spite. I think we know of some people (if that is what you want to call them) who would do that to someone.

 

[SlickTony]

I guess if you have some pressing literary need to depict sex involving underage people, go mainstream.

Nabokov's Lolita is part of the literary canon.

 

[sr71plt]

I guess if you have some pressing literary need to depict sex involving underage people, go mainstream.

Nabokov's Lolita is part of the literary canon.

Right. Folks get confused (naturally) about this. Sites like Literotica that are closely watched for illegal activity are generally very strict about underage stories, not wanting to attract pedophiles (and, thus, the police as well).

Underage sex is OK in the mainstream and there are a lot of examples of it.

The difference is the graphic nature of the writing. The mainstream doesn't often reward graphic underage sex either. It permits a deeper inclusion of it as an activity, especially as an explanation for later emotions and actions, than Lit. does, but the mainstream doesn't really go with the depiction of any sex as graphically as erotica/porn story sites do.

Same same with rape.

 

[PayDay]

On the OP, I suggest you might as well try out what you want to write and see if it flies here. If not, you can either water it down and try it again or post to another story site that will take it.

1. Report button will be used if you do it wrong. That's what it's for.

2. Fine, since no one else is saying it, I will: "If you are having a hard time NOT writing about teenage or younger sexcapades, then maybe you need to see someone professionally." I don't care how important to your story it is, it's just not right or neccessary.

Here, I'll do it for you:

"I had a bunch of sex when I was younger," (she) said to (him/her/it).

tada.

 

[sr71plt]

1. Report button will be used if you do it wrong. That's what it's for.

Gee, you know a lot about how it works here from only being here for like three days.

It's sort of amusing to see you giving "authoritative" judgments on Lit. website functions to a poster (Bumblegum) who has been here longer than you have and has more stories posted.

 

[PayDay]

Gee, you know a lot about how it works here from only being here for like three days.

It's sort of amusing to see you giving "authoritative" judgments on Lit. website functions to a poster (Bumblegum) who has been here longer than you have and has more stories posted.

I've read stories on this site since the 2k. I've read BB threads since like the 2k4. I didn't make the first of my two profiles until 2010. I am educated. I have written in other venues before Lit.

What makes your drivel smarter than mine? Oh right, big words and the rarest of airplaine stories. My bad. All hail to you and your greatness. Seriously, is there like a pinecone, or something sharp, shoved into one or more of your orifaces?
I'm asking for real, is there?

 

[sr71plt]

What makes your drivel smarter than mine?

Actual experience in posting stories to Lit. I would think that would be obvious.

 

[PayDay]

Actual experience in posting stories to Lit. I would think that would be obvious.

You are boring. The routine is a tired one, and it has been overused for years. There is also the fact that your sarcasm is simple, and unintelligent. Maybe you should invest some time in say, presonality and diversity, instead of working so hard to be right and/or smarter. I mean seriously, you can't even have someone you think lesser agree with you. That's pretty fucking strange in a place that is already so.
Though you're just going to misinterpret this and cut it up anyway reading into it how you please so I could probably type anything here. Supercalifragalistick exbealidociious. Whatever, lame on, it's your Internet. Now I know why people don't like you. I tried.

 

[sr71plt]

You are boring. The routine is a tired one, and it has been overused for years. There is also the fact that your sarcasm is simple, and unintelligent. Maybe you should invest some time in say, presonality and diversity, instead of working so hard to be right and/or smarter. I mean seriously, you can't even have someone you think lesser agree with you. That's pretty fucking strange in a place that is already so.
Though you're just going to misinterpret this and cut it up anyway reading into it how you please so I could probably type anything here. Supercalifragalistick exbealidociious. Whatever, lame on, it's your Internet. Now I know why people don't like you. I tried.

Guess you'll need to put me on ignore then. Because I see no reason to put on a circus act for you. I haven't found you all that interesting or bright either. Just gong ho.

(Your spelling of "definately" sort of gives me a clue on who you reengineered yourself from. But I don't really give a shit about that either.)

 

[bumblegrum]

Hi everyone

Ignoring the controversy that my query seems to have spawned - actually, it's quite amusing, at least to someone with my warped sense of humour.

Anyway, I wanted to thank you guys for your suggestions. It seems like a useful approach is to deal with the fact of the abuse, but don't go into too many details that might titillate the titillatable.

Mind you, I haven't yet written that part of the story, and I know damn well what will happen when I do. The characters will take control and write it the way they want it. Then I'll have to be the big bad author and edit out anything too near the border, after which I'll have a buch of cranky characters to deal with. Oh dear, the perils of being an author