See No Link For Contest - SR Edit Guffaws

[AsylumSeeker]

What I have done here is wrong, which I openly admit and apologize for. My personal life is disintegrating before my eyes and I have released my anger in a way which hurts others and sets a poor example for those newbies who come here and see these hateful accusations being levied. I will try my best to keep away from here, but at the very least will be more careful in the future as to determine the real motive for my posts before making them (is it doing anyone any good, for example).

 

[sr71plt]

First. Why do you see the need to join the backbiting brigade? I constantly post here that no one can edit themselves. Most of my Halloween Contest stories weren't edited before they were posted. I was putting together a portfolio on a short string for a marketplace anthology--which is now available under the title 13 Ways for Halloween and which went through editing. Buy that book and do edits and throw them back in my face if you want to be so smug.

In the meantime, you have your shingle out for editing here and I don't. Shall I edit one of your posted stories and pick it apart on this forum?

Second. It's a crock of shit that I either make an issue of what I make as an editor or that I harp here on problems with their stories. In fact, more often than not I suggest writers just go ahead and post their stories and enjoy the writing rather than relying on people putting their shingles out as editors who most likely know nothing more about it than the writer does.

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/dbimages/624828.jpg

(Besides, hot shot. Not all of your "corrections" above are wrong. Obviously you're running on a high school English education rather than commercial publishing.)

And thanks for the offer, but when I send my work to an editor, I send it to a real editor.

 

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[SydneyBlake]

Then don't read mine. I use incomplete sentences, run-on sentences, I spell "damn it" "dammit", use comma splices... The horror! We don't aim for perfection here, darlin. If it's readable, relax and enjoy.

 

[lovecraft68]

SR, you are s quick to make a point about how much money you make doing professional editing.

To those leaping to the defense of poor Pilot, this first part of the thread says it all.

When a person simply goes about there business and bothers no one, no one bothers them.

However, when one is a 24/7 braggart it leaves one open for criticism.

I learned very little from my dick of a birth father, but one thing did sink with me.

He told me that no matter how good I was at something, to never shoot my mouth off because it gives people motivation to want to beat your take you to task on your bragging.

It's the difference between doing a stupid touchdown dance or simply handing the ball to the ref, and getting back to business.

Act like you have been there before and will be again. Pilot wants everyone to continuously remember he is "there" hence attacks like this occur

Also Pilot it is not back biting, it is biting back. You're the miserable cur that brings the biting on.

Nice post AS.

 

[sr71plt]

Then don't read mine. I use incomplete sentences, run-on sentences, I spell "damn it" "dammit", use comma splices... The horror! We don't aim for perfection here, darlin. If it's readable, relax and enjoy.

You do as it's done in commercial publishing, then. Dialog for certain (most) characters would use the "Dammit" spelling. And complete sentences aren't needed. Sentence fragments shouldn't be overused, but that's how people actually talk, so commercial publishing allows for it.

 

[sr71plt]

It's the first part of the posting that set me off, Lovecraft. I haven't done what AS said I do. And you lie about me doing this too. Point to posts where I brag about money made from editing or where I do vigilante attacks on the technicals in writers' stories here. I haven't done that--in fact I take off on people who do it. (If I were prone to doing it, I'd tear your posts--including the one above--apart).

You are a lying jackel and AS has just joined you in that.

 

[PennLady]

Not that sr needs my help, but for one thing, he's often said he rarely reads stories on Lit, so I don't think he's nitpicking a whole lot on people's stories. He may challenge someone on a thread, but that's a thread, and that's different. He's also correct that there are small "e" editors (like myself) and big "E" Editors like himself, who do it for a publisher.

I hope that between what I learned in school and what I've learned since writing, I can help people smooth things out. I always tell them I'm not a pro, and they're free to ignore me. We can all go to the CSM for the final word on things, if we agree that is the final word, which for some people it isn't.

And with all the crap that gets posted on this site, and that gets 5-stars and rave reviews, I'm not going to hold an extra space or misspelled word against someone who gets it right more often than not.

I use lots of fragments and things like that in my stories. It's how people talk, and how they think. I try to limit it in the exposition parts, but I think it helps make dialogue more realistic.

 

[sr71plt]

Thanks, PL. I am often frustrated at seeing folks in the Story Feedback forum going after writers' works on the basis of high school English (as AS did with my story above) rather than commercial publishing style, which is quite different--but it's the right style for anyone who wants their stories to go beyond free-website posting. When I pin reviewers down on comments about editing in my e-books, I most often come up with the reviewer not being trained to commercial publishing style. There are, of course, plenty of mistakes to be seen that are really mistakes. There is no such thing as perfect copy in this world--even after it's edited by a competent editor--and I've said that several times on this forum as well.

I have never, ever, ever claimed to write perfectly.

 

[sr71plt]

So, Lovecraft, you going to back up your innuendo, or is this just another example of your insidious hit-and-run, jealousy-driven attack behavior?

 

[AsylumSeeker]

What I have done here is wrong, which I openly admit and apologize for. My personal life is disintegrating before my eyes and I have released my anger in a way which hurts others and sets a poor example for those newbies who come here and see these hateful accusations being levied. I will try my best to keep away from here, but at the very least will be more careful in the future as to determine the real motive for my posts before making them (is it doing anyone any good, for example).

 

[sr71plt]

You are as clueless as usual, AS. We indeed are finished here.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

What I have done here is wrong, which I openly admit and apologize for. My personal life is disintegrating before my eyes and I have released my anger in a way which hurts others and sets a poor example for those newbies who come here and see these hateful accusations being levied. I will try my best to keep away from here, but at the very least will be more careful in the future as to determine the real motive for my posts before making them (is it doing anyone any good, for example).

 

[AsylumSeeker]

That's the point

What I have done here is wrong, which I openly admit and apologize for. My personal life is disintegrating before my eyes and I have released my anger in a way which hurts others and sets a poor example for those newbies who come here and see these hateful accusations being levied. I will try my best to keep away from here, but at the very least will be more careful in the future as to determine the real motive for my posts before making them (is it doing anyone any good, for example).

 

[sr71plt]

And thanks for the offer, but when I send my work to an editor, I send it to a real editor.

But you didn't.

I gave you an explanation. Beyond that, what part of not as much was wrong with it as you identified and that there is no such thing as perfect copy even after being edited didn't you understand?

Back off. You were out of bounds in misrepresenting my posts (and thus attracting the troll Lovecraft68) and in playing the vigilante editor--an editor being something you aren't remotely capable of handling--and being polite to your bad behavior is being challenged to the limits.

Take a hike.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

What I have done here is wrong, which I openly admit and apologize for. My personal life is disintegrating before my eyes and I have released my anger in a way which hurts others and sets a poor example for those newbies who come here and see these hateful accusations being levied. I will try my best to keep away from here, but at the very least will be more careful in the future as to determine the real motive for my posts before making them (is it doing anyone any good, for example).

 

[sr71plt]

And thanks for the offer, but when I send my work to an editor, I send it to a real editor.

But you didn't.

Oh, sorry. I guess that was my cue to express disdain and sorrow.

For the record, since you are too dense for politeness to work, the story in question WAS edited by a real editor. "Imagine" can be found in the anthology collection Devilment, which was published in the marketplace in October 2010 (a year ago).

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/dbimages/472229.jpg

As you apparently were too dense to absorb, most of the problems of your "corrections" are that you aren't a commercial style editor.

And, by the way, most of your "clients" are satisfied with what you do for them because you have bamboozled them into thinking that you can edit--since you have claimed you can. If they knew a good edit from wooden Indian, they wouldn't have needed to take one blind.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

What I have done here is wrong, which I openly admit and apologize for. My personal life is disintegrating before my eyes and I have released my anger in a way which hurts others and sets a poor example for those newbies who come here and see these hateful accusations being levied. I will try my best to keep away from here, but at the very least will be more careful in the future as to determine the real motive for my posts before making them (is it doing anyone any good, for example).

 

[AsylumSeeker]

What I have done here is wrong, which I openly admit and apologize for. My personal life is disintegrating before my eyes and I have released my anger in a way which hurts others and sets a poor example for those newbies who come here and see these hateful accusations being levied. I will try my best to keep away from here, but at the very least will be more careful in the future as to determine the real motive for my posts before making them (is it doing anyone any good, for example).

 

[sr71plt]

I have challenged you to substantiate the misrepresentation premise that I am "quick to make a point about how much money [I} make doing professional editing" and you have not done so.

I consider vigilante critique--unrequested editorial critique, especially in public--on Lit. to be bad form and have posted this repeatedly. So, I have called you on what I think is bad behavior. You haven't addressed this either.

Beyond that, you reveal that you have half-baked ideas about what should be corrected and I have called you on that as well. And you haven't addressed that challenge.

It is one thing for folks to sign up with a largely unskilled editor--"buyer beware, and all that." It is quite another thing for that unskilled editor to be going out and pushing his half-baked ideas of what is correct and what is not on to folks who didn't request his "help"--and especially to do so in public.

I'll leave the thread readers to gather from your posts the rest that could be said of you.

You opened this can of worms; I didn't.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

I have challenged you to substantiate the misrepresentation premise that I am "quick to make a point about how much money [I} make doing professional editing" and you have not done so.

I consider vigilante critique--unrequested editorial critique, especially in public--on Lit. to be bad form and have posted this repeatedly. So, I have called you on what I think is bad behavior. You haven't addressed this either.

Beyond that, you reveal that you have half-baked ideas about what should be corrected and I have called you on that as well. And you haven't addressed that challenge.

It is one thing for folks to sign up with a largely unskilled editor--"buyer beware, and all that." It is quite another thing for that unskilled editor to be going out and pushing his half-baked ideas of what is correct and what is not on to folks who didn't request his "help"--and especially to do so in public.

I'll leave the thread readers to gather from your posts the rest that could be said of you.

You opened this can of worms; I didn't.

As Shakespeare said, "I think he dost protest too much"

sr likes to bully and, when he is called out, just chooses to bluster, not address the issue and generally insult people making comments.

The above post is a perfect example of how he always refuses to respond to the criticism posed but blusters ineffectively to pretend he is not the arrogant charlatan his posts are evidence to.

His fundamental insecurity, and lack of confidence in his writing, makes him turn venomously on those trying to help new writers and completely fail to understand the issues facing new erotic writers.

I hope he sleeps easy given his egotistical poison that saps this forum.

 

[sr71plt]

That's rich, Elfin, since my last post ticks off the challenges that neither AS nor Lovecraft68 will answer. Perhaps you will? No, you are just here to backbite too.

You're another faker here. Giving advice on no known base of expertise. You haven't posted anything to the story file here for six years and then it wasn't erotica. It was an essay on bra sizes. And yet you set yourself up as an erotica expert. Just another faker.

Just a bunch of fakers trying to use the Easy Button to puff themselves up.

 

[PennLady]

SR71 has never, from what I've seen, bragged at all about any money he's made from anything, let alone editing. Even he just said he was well-paid, that only expresses satisfaction, and nothing more.

Again, SR by his own admission rarely reads stories on Lit, so he's not going around pointing out mistakes. If he takes people to task on threads, that's a different matter. He's also pointed out that he doesn't feel any editing advice should be given unless requested, and I haven't seen him do anything that contradicts that.

He may be strong in his opinions, and you may not like the way it comes across, but that doesn't automatically invalidate anything he says.

I think we all know that the formal rules we learned in school don't apply to fiction writing, or don't always apply. And just because we edit here and adhere to a lot of those rules, doesn't make us right. Just because the professional standards aren't what we're familiar with doesn't mean they're wrong.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

What I have done here is wrong, which I openly admit and apologize for. My personal life is disintegrating before my eyes and I have released my anger in a way which hurts others and sets a poor example for those newbies who come here and see these hateful accusations being levied. I will try my best to keep away from here, but at the very least will be more careful in the future as to determine the real motive for my posts before making them (is it doing anyone any good, for example).

 

[sr71plt]

You just do not get it, do you? With the OP itself, in addition to misrepresenting me in your post premise and the bad behavior of engaging in unsolicited vigilante critique--and in public--especially in the face of the many times I've spoken out against vigilante critique, and, worse, not getting it right, you're the one who started the witch hunt. Are you so blind as not to notice the usual vultures showing up with their pitchforks in hand? (Not PennLady, MistressLynn, and SydneyBlake, of course--thanks to them for weighing in and not leaving me to face all of these lies and attacks by myself.)

This is your mess from start to finish--and it's quite a mess indeed. If anything got revealed along the way on your true expertise, that's also on you. I've let the buyer beware concerning you for years. This is something else you didn't understand when you chose to go after me in the OP.