Union Thugs Riot in Longview, Washington!

[NeverEndingMe]

as someone else pointed out here, the only way companies like Huffy and Arrow were able to survive the union was to move manufacturing overseas

the union has that companies compete with China

Everybody hates people that roll over onto their backs and give up.

If the union gets there way the company will not go bankrupt. Not unless they are a very very stupid union. If the company goes belly up their out of a job the same as if they were fired. Sure they might get lucky and it might TAKE longer but that's the only difference is it might take longer.

What you miss if an employer gets what he wants he'll have slaves working for free. Ultimately that is the goal of every inteligent businessman.

Somewhere in between there is a compromise to be made and history has shown that the guys at the top rarely give a fair share to the guys at the bottom because the guys at the bottom have almost no pull as individuals. Even if you're going to make teh argument that if they have a unique skill they have some pull that's fine. But we STILL need grunts on the assembly line, and cashiers and shelf stockers, truck drivers, and garbage men.

Why do you want that?

 

[Sean Renaud]

as someone else pointed out here, the only way companies like Huffy and Arrow were able to survive the union was to move manufacturing overseas

the union has that companies compete with China

So your saying we should compete with China in a wages war? If that's your official stance make it. Be a man and say Americans should except five dollars for a days wage, work in unsafe conditions and live in small cramped homes. Man up.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

as someone else pointed out here, the only way companies like Huffy and Arrow were able to survive the union was to move manufacturing overseas

Where it’s far easier for them to exploit the individual poor from those countries and flout safety and environmental laws.

Woof!

 

[Bad_Doggie]

So your saying we should compete with China in a wages war?

Why stop at China, fuck it, let’s do like in Malaysia, India.

And if they don’t wanna work for a dollar a day bollocks we’ll get some kids to do it.

Woof!

 

[richard_daily]

The problem; management. The solution; Wildcat Strike.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

So your saying we should compete with China in a wages war? If that's your official stance make it. Be a man and say Americans should except five dollars for a days wage, work in unsafe conditions and live in small cramped homes. Man up.

no. we have to compete with technology. we can't match their low wages, that is a fact. however, Ford could replace many jobs with more robots. that's also a fact

 

[NeverEndingMe]

The problem; management. The solution; Wildcat Strike.

yes, strikes solve everything. what needs to be done, is replace union workers with non union workers.

 

[richard_daily]

yes, strikes solve everything. what needs to be done, is replace union workers with non union workers.

Why don't you get a job, welfare queen?

 

[Sean Renaud]

no. we have to compete with technology. we can't match their low wages, that is a fact. however, Ford could replace many jobs with more robots. that's also a fact

First as you pointed out Ford could replace many jobs with more robots. Which while I'm all for innovation if unemployed Americans losing their jobs to robots is only slightly better than Americans losing their jobs to to the Chinese. What do you propose we do when humans have been made redundeant.

We're already looking at it in MANY fields. Except when I buy liqour I dont' deal with casheirs anymore. Usually I don't go to the store but when I do I use the automated check outs. Same for when I go to the movies. How many thousands of jobs is that going to kill? We already have Roombas (not that Americans do Janitorial work as is) but how long do you figure it will be before janitorial services, and lawn mowing can be cheaply replaced by tech in the states? What's your plan then?

Also we do beat them with technology in a lot of places. Americans are the worlds most productive workers. It doesn't matter that we're more productive NEM. When you've got one man who can do the work of two men that's GREAT. Unless he wants five dollars and you can get three Chinese to do the job for two dollars apeice. Technology is not moving fast enough (especially since American companies take the tech overseas once they develope it.)

In fact lets stop there. How EXACTLY do you plan to keep a head in technology when technology is for sale?

yes, strikes solve everything. what needs to be done, is replace union workers with non union workers.

We did. It's called China.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

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My apologies and thank you. I went back three pages before Posting my Thread and saw nary a mention. Busy day on the forum...with a failed modem/router, I have been offline for several days.

amicus

The mean of the GB's IQ was higher as a result

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Why don't you get a job, welfare queen?

One trick ponies are not in demand

 

[NeverEndingMe]

One trick ponies are not in demand

if only you could turn a trick. maybe we can teach you to fetch the newspaper?

 

[garbage can]

Does it, does it really??

Seems like BMW, Mercedes Benz, Bosch, Porsche to name but a few are making record profits and guess what each one employs union workers. Strange huh?

Woof!

Are you saying the record profits should be turned over to the union? or should the record profits be invested in expanding the company.

IMO, our two oldest airlines, TWA and PanAm went bankrupt because they couldn't afford the demands of the unions vis a vis pay, health and retirement benefits.

 

[garbage can]

The problem; management. The solution; Wildcat Strike.

The problem Wildcat strike, the solution, move to China.

Good job strikers.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

The mean of the GB's IQ was higher as a result

and you have an EIQ of 5. grow up. your ass isn't a place to store your head

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Are you saying the record profits should be turned over to the union? or should the record profits be invested in expanding the company.

IMO, our two oldest airlines, TWA and PanAm went bankrupt because they couldn't afford the demands of the unions vis a vis pay, health and retirement benefits.

wait wait wait, who talked about BMW, Mercedes Benz, Bosch, Porsche? these are high end products with fat margins. they can afford just about anything!

how many american's have BMW's? not GM workers

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Are you saying the record profits should be turned over to the union? or should the record profits be invested in expanding the company.

NO! And I can't for the life of me see how you can think I implied that.

What I was saying was that companies can run very well and make record profits even if they employ workers who are members of a union.

TBH I prefer companies like Bosch which plough back nearly all of their profits into the company as opposed to those which return a large proportion of profits to a small group of wealthy individuals. But, that wasn't the point.

Woof!

 

[Bad_Doggie]

wait wait wait, who talked about BMW, Mercedes Benz, Bosch, Porsche? these are high end products with fat margins. they can afford just about anything!

how many american's have BMW's? not GM workers

Nonsense, they compete in the market place like anyone else.

I could’ve used Deutsche Telekom, BASF, Metro AG, Henkel AG or Adidas AG all successful and all have unions.

Your point was bollocks like it normally is.


Woof!

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Are you saying the record profits should be turned over to the union? or should the record profits be invested in expanding the company.

IMO, our two oldest airlines, TWA and PanAm went bankrupt because they couldn't afford the demands of the unions vis a vis pay, health and retirement benefits.

So it's the unions fault the companies were poorly run?

 

[unregistered]

 

[NeverEndingMe]

So it's the unions fault the companies were poorly run?

unions suck companies dry. its just that simple. just look at you, your a crappy employee yet you are protected by the union. why is that?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

So it's the unions fault the companies were poorly run?

a company must have the right to fire crappy employees at will. its just that simple

 

[The Mutt]

"I was the head of a union."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/first-family/masthead_image/40rr_header_sm.jpg?1250886929

 

[NeverEndingMe]

awe, look at you go Mutt, coming to the big table trying to act like an adult

"I was the head of a union."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/first-family/masthead_image/40rr_header_sm.jpg?1250886929

 

[richard_daily]

The problem Wildcat strike, the solution, move to China.

Good job strikers.

So are you moving to China?

You'd fit right in there, as an authoritarian douchebag.