Fan Fiction

[Sugary_Comfort]

So I was thinking about it today and I know there are tons of people who write fan fiction and quite a few will write some with plenty of sex scenes in them.

Stuff like that is allowed on fanfiction.net as long as you make sure to put the rating as M for mature, but I'm surprised there's not a thing for it here.

Is there a reason for that? I don't see that it could be copyright issues since fan fiction is everywhere and it's just use of the characters and the world already created by someone else and with a sentence of not owning the stuff and telling who it belongs to it should be fine...I think haha.

I write some fan fiction myself. Of course I don't have sex scenes in them, though I might put one in my biggest story, but that depends.

Anyways, just a thought.

 

[Kurokami]

Generally, I just sort of assume people put their erotic fan fiction in the Celebrities section; there's quite a bit of that there, and in any case that's where I submit mine. Now that I think about it, that's not really the appropriate place for my series, assuming you take the categories at face value. But I mean, why add in a whole new category when there's a perfectly serviceable alternative already in place?

 

[estragon]

I publish my Valerie derivatives, based on Grand Master dweaver999's brilliant series, in "Celebrities" category, subdivision fan fiction, because that's where Grand Master dweaver999 requires me to publish as a condition of granting me license to use his characters and story lines.

If you really want to use someone else's characters and plotlines without their consent, take a quick glance at the copyright laws.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Fanfiction goes into celebrities. But really, there's not much audience for it here-- you are better off on livejournal where the largest communities are. Best bet is to google for your fandom.

The issues of legality are pretty much settled as ... grey. There are some fair use precedents and some successful cease and desists. Mostly, fanfic writers try to stay under the radar, and do their damnedest to avoid money-oriented fools that think they've found a revenue stream in these women's personal hobby.

 

[estragon]

Fanfiction goes into celebrities. But really, there's not much audience for it here-- you are better off on livejournal where the largest communities are. Best bet is to google for your fandom.

The issues of legality are pretty much settled as ... grey. There are some fair use precedents and some successful cease and desists. Mostly, fanfic writers try to stay under the radar, and do their damnedest to avoid money-oriented fools that think they've found a revenue stream in these women's personal hobby.

Stella, yes, the copyright laws have their share of shades of grey. But I would rather not find out if the lion will bite by sticking my arm in her mouth. There are some questions to which it might be better not to know the answer.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Stella, yes, the copyright laws have their share of shades of grey. But I would rather not find out if the lion will bite by sticking my arm in her mouth. There are some questions to which it might be better not to know the answer.

Who's asking you to?

I can tell you for sure about these authors:

Anne Rice hates fanfic, and mostly people don't bother to write it.

JK Rowling loves it, even though she wishes people didn't write explicit sex between her characters.

Laurell K.Hamilton does not like fan fiction. She also detests the term "MarySue," because her over the top all-perfect, all-evil characters get criticized by that name.

The estate of J.R.R Tolkien will go after anyone who threatens the money flow, or what his son calls "The integrity" of the literature. This has not stopped thousands of fans from writing under pseudonym, and posting in hundreds of communities

Joss Whedon likes fanfic, even the filthy stuff, even the stuff that pairs his hetero male characters with each other.

The fanfic dialogues are elsewhere on the internet, not at Literotica. The whole issue of parody and revision fascinates me, though-- the ways in which human societies processes and appropriates narrative, bending it to a different end, building on what has come before. The fanfic community has an ethos that is not money driven, which is difficult for many people to comprehend. They barter, and gift their talents, large or small, within this venue, not sell them.

 

[sr71plt]

Aren't these more libel concerns and/or trademark than copyright? The concern wouldn't be about what the celebrities have written, would it?

 

[Sugary_Comfort]

I was wondering if Celebrities was the category fan fiction could go under. I wasn't sure because it seemed more like that category would be for real-life famous people in the stories rather than famous fictional characters.

And, haha, I don't want to write any erotic fan fiction myself I was just curious as to if people on here wrote any to put on this site.

Oh and LiveJournal isn't really the big place for fan fiction. Fanfiction.net is. I'm not saying that there aren't lots of fan fiction on LiveJournal but the main place for it is Fanfiction.net. It's crazy how much they have there.

For something slightly different, I was in Barnes and Noble one day and happened to notice a ton of books about the happenings of Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennet from Pride and Prejudice after they got married. I know the story is over a century old but still, I was surprised that people were allowed to have that stuff published and get money for it when, technically, it's fan fiction.

 

[sr71plt]

For something slightly different, I was in Barnes and Noble one day and happened to notice a ton of books about the happenings of Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennet from Pride and Prejudice after they got married. I know the story is over a century old but still, I was surprised that people were allowed to have that stuff published and get money for it when, technically, it's fan fiction.

Once it's in the public domain, it's free game.

 

[Sugary_Comfort]

Once it's in the public domain, it's free game.

I wonder who has the rights on it. I should go look it up.

 

[sr71plt]

I wonder who has the rights on it. I should go look it up.

Nobody, would be my guess. Look it up on the Project Gutenberg Web site. If it's there, it's in the public domain.

 

[estragon]

Jane Austen's original works are all public domain.

Stella, nobody asked me to, so I don't. And even if someone asked me to, I wouldn't.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Jane Austen's original works are all public domain.

Stella, nobody asked me to, so I don't. And even if someone asked me to, I wouldn't.

I will continue to never pressure you to write fanfic, I promise.

 

[sr71plt]

It might be good to note that even if you managed to legally write a fan fiction piece, that doesn't necessarily mean that Literotica would publish it. They can reject a story for any reason they want to.

 

[Stella_Omega]

It might be good to note that even if you managed to legally write a fan fiction piece, that doesn't necessarily mean that Literotica would publish it. They can reject a story for any reason they want to.

legal fan fiction exists, and you can tell its legal because it has a publishing contract and a paycheck.

Makes it speshul, see.

 

[DaddyValin]

legal fan fiction exists, and you can tell its legal because it has a publishing contract and a paycheck.

Makes it speshul, see.

Like the multitude of novels based on Star Trek , Star Wars, and Doctor Who. They're basically sanctioned fan fiction.

 

[Darkniciad]

It should be noted that in any story world where the characters are universally depicted as under 18 in the original...

( Pokemon & Harry Potter are the two I can think of numerous posts mentioning rejections of this nature )

...there's a very high chance that the story will be rejected by Literotica, even if you're writing a no-sex or "It's after the original story ends and they're older than 18 now" tale.

It can even extend to characters who are over 18 in the original or 18+ author created characters because the main characters are younger, or if the story world is geared toward an audience of under 18.

 

[Sugary_Comfort]

Haha I love how everyone seems to be assuming I want to write an erotic fan fiction.

I'm not sure what I said that makes people think that. I was just wondering if there were any here because I know there are tons of people who write fan fiction and plenty of them are old enough to be into sex and all and I could see them wanting to see their favorite characters having some three letter fun.

But I would be happy to see this thread continue at least a little bit in order to see everyone's take on fan fiction.

Do you read any? Do you write some? Do you find it annoying? And add anything else about it you like.

I know when I started writing it, I'd only seen one fan fiction. I was 13 and into Harry Potter and was browsing the WB's website for it and saw a fan fic and started reading it. This was before there was a bunch of the stuff on there and so there wasn't a forum dedicated to it. I know there must have been loads of fan fics all over the place for other things but it just seems like it really started taking off back then and I see it and hear about it everywhere now.

I actually got into writing because of those Harry Potter fan fictions. Before them I didn't realize I enjoyed telling stories.

 

[sr71plt]

Haha I love how everyone seems to be assuming I want to write an erotic fan fiction.

I haven't seen any specific assumption. But this is an erotica site; why wouldn't people get that assumption from your postings? (Not to mention that you said you might write sex in one in your original posting.) There are lots of reasons why a celebrity or originator of a character would not want their personas depicted as anything other than they intended. (And I, for one, give them the privilege of themselves and wouldn't write fan fiction that messed with their personas even if a big check came with it.)

 

[Sugary_Comfort]

I haven't seen any specific assumption. But this is an erotica site; why wouldn't people get that assumption from your postings? (Not to mention that you said you might write sex in one in your original posting.) There are lots of reasons why a celebrity or originator of a character would not want their personas depicted as anything other than they intended. (And I, for one, give them the privilege of themselves and wouldn't write fan fiction that messed with their personas even if a big check came with it.)

I understand that they could assume that just because I'm posting on an erotic fiction site that that was my intent when it comes to posting this thread. But I just don't understand why assume? Why not just read and respond?

Luckily, for me, the fanfiction I might put a sex scene in is just fine for that cause the character I didn't create already gets into situations like that. My original character can obviously be however I want her. Usually I leave the characters that were already created alone and don't make them do something out of well, haha, character.

My favorite author doesn't mind fan fiction of her work and will go and read some but she's was disturbed to read something where one of her female main characters was raped in the story. Not just because the character was raped but also because the character was only 16.

I can't stand reading stuff where people make the character do something that just doesn't fit. Sadly, there's so much of it.

 

[sr71plt]

I understand that they could assume that just because I'm posting on an erotic fiction site that that was my intent when it comes to posting this thread. But I just don't understand why assume?

Because erotica is what this site is about and because in the last sentence of your original posting, you suggested you would write sex into your fan fiction.

I don't see that the responses were slanted toward erotica anyway. Why is this an issue?

 

[Darkniciad]

Uhm, I don't see where everybody was assuming erotic fanfic, either. I put the "no-sex" part in my post for exactly that reason.

I have up a five story Dragon Quest arc as part of the Virtual Reality chain. Took some serious organization to post that chain, as we had to get special permission and fulfill specific requests to post it in the chain category, as opposed to celeb.

It's also from that chain where one of examples I gave comes from. One of the authors spoke with Laurel about a rejected story, and the bottom line is that there would never be a Pokemon story featuring the human characters pass muster, no matter what sort of age disclaimers were put on it, because the characters in the original are under 18.

 

[LisbethElliot]

I've written quite a bit of fanfic, all for one show, over on FF.net. In fact, I'm in the middle of one now that I really need to finish. It was actually the fanfic that led me to erotica (oh, that slippery slope!). I read some erotic fanfics, some bad, but some incredibly good, and eventually began looking for erotica that wasn't fanfic.

 

[Stella_Omega]

.. one of her female main characters was raped in the story. Not just because the character was raped but also because the character was only 16...

People use fiction to explore ideas and possibilities. Rape does happen to very young women at times. it's possible that the ficwriter had been raped herself, and is trying to use the medium of storytelling to make some sense out of what happened to her.

I can't stand reading stuff where people make the character do something that just doesn't fit. Sadly, there's so much of it.

Well, yeah. That's one of the skills that some writers have better than others.

 

[Sugary_Comfort]

People use fiction to explore ideas and possibilities. Rape does happen to very young women at times. it's possible that the ficwriter had been raped herself, and is trying to use the medium of storytelling to make some sense out of what happened to her.

True, true. I don't know, though if I'd be disturbed if my books were published and someone wrote a fanfiction where one of my girls got raped. It's just a story and they're just characters. Though...I might be disturbed if they chose the character based off me.