Feral Humans: The Payoff of Socialism

[HermesVoice]

A century ago, no child would have dared to use obscene language in class. Today, some use little else.

-Max Hastings

Of course, a century ago most of those currently rioting wouldn't have been in class anyway. They would have been working in sweatshops, in work houses, begging, or dying quietly in the gutters of cholera.

Oh yeah. Some would have been stealing like the current ones. (Wait! They had CRIME back then?????)

It's always fun to watch people romanticize the past.

On the other hand it IS sad to see an Englishman who apparently has never read a single word of Dickens. I mean, the man is only a literary god in that country.

 

[oggbashan]

Riot land has a lower crime rate then ours?

But they're rioting in the streets right now, aren't they?

1. Our homicide rate is about a third of the US's BUT freely available nearby health care and other factors, such as what weapons are used, could affect the UK's figures because victims have a better chance of survival. Those factors don't account for all the difference.

2. No they're not. The riots have stopped.

 

[oggbashan]

Of course, a century ago most of those currently rioting wouldn't have been in class anyway. They would have been working in sweatshops, in work houses, begging, or dying quietly in the gutters of cholera.

Oh yeah. Some would have been stealing like the current ones. (Wait! They had CRIME back then?????)

It's always fun to watch people romanticize the past.

On the other hand it IS sad to see an Englishman who apparently has never read a single word of Dickens. I mean, the man is only a literary god in that country.

In 1819, Peterloo Massacre was an over-reaction to a political demonstration.

In the early 19th Century before the Police Force was established, street robbery in London was common. Travellers ran the risk of being held up by highwaymen, some operating within a few miles of London.

In the mid 19th Century, Chartist riots nearly overwhelmed the authorities who were forced to use the Army with drawn swords and live rounds.

During the 1940 Blitz, despite the vaunted Blitz spirit, looting was rife from bomb-damaged buildings.

In the 1950s, razor gangs (using old-fashioned cut-throat razors) terrorised the streets of South London.

In the 1960s, Mods v Rockers riots wrecked seaside resorts.

It isn't a new phenomenon. It just has far more media coverage with live pictures. Those involved are still a small minority - as they always were.

Race riots were different. They had a real cause of perceived grievance.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Jesus, how many times do we have to have the small homogeneous population discussion?

If a small country has an advantage over a large one in terms of economy and crime, do you really think the United States would become more prosperous and safe if we divided into smaller units?

 

[The_Trouvere]

Wikipedia factoids do not make you smart; they make you rather stupid in .87 search seconds...

That is an ironic comment from one of the most notorious GB masters of copy and paste. The difference is that I use sources on the internet in order to substantiate factual assertions I use in my own arguments. You post right wing hot air whenever you find someone who can express your prejudices better than you can.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Jesus, how many times do we have to have the small homogeneous population discussion?

Wikipedia factoids do not make you smart; they make you rather stupid in .87 search seconds...

Poor AJ's house of cards collapses yet again.

How DARE someone invade his carefully constructed fantasy world with pesky facts?

 

[HermesVoice]

In 1819, Peterloo Massacre was an over-reaction to a political demonstration.

In the early 19th Century before the Police Force was established, street robbery in London was common. Travellers ran the risk of being held up by highwaymen, some operating within a few miles of London.

In the mid 19th Century, Chartist riots nearly overwhelmed the authorities who were forced to use the Army with drawn swords and live rounds.

During the 1940 Blitz, despite the vaunted Blitz spirit, looting was rife from bomb-damaged buildings.

[snip]

It isn't a new phenomenon. It just has far more media coverage with live pictures. Those involved are still a small minority - as they always were.

Race riots were different. They had a real cause of perceived grievance.

No.

Max Hastings says none of that happened, as all of it was before "the payoff of socialism."

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Of course, a century ago most of those currently rioting wouldn't have been in class anyway. They would have been working in sweatshops, in work houses, begging, or dying quietly in the gutters of cholera.

Oh yeah. Some would have been stealing like the current ones. (Wait! They had CRIME back then?????)

It's always fun to watch people romanticize the past.

On the other hand it IS sad to see an Englishman who apparently has never read a single word of Dickens. I mean, the man is only a literary god in that country.

So explain to us how the dreary lives of the proletariat improve the quality of life for the nation, I missed your first lecture on the subject.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

The trick in this business is not to be right too early. A week ago I released my new book — the usual doom’n’gloom stuff — and, just as the sensible prudent moderate chaps were about to dismiss it as hysterical and alarmist, Standard & Poor’s went and downgraded the United States from its AAA rating for the first time in history. Obligingly enough they downgraded it to AA+, which happens to be the initials of my book: After America. Okay, there’s not a lot of “+” in that, but you can’t have everything.

But the news cycle moves on, and a day or two later, the news shows were filled with scenes of London ablaze, as gangs of feral youths trashed and looted their own neighborhoods. Several readers wrote to taunt me for not having anything to say on the London riots. As it happens, Chapter Five of my book is called “The New Britannia: The Depraved City.” You have to get up pretty early in the morning to beat me to Western civilization’s descent into barbarism. Anyone who’s read it will fully understand what’s happening on the streets of London. The downgrade and the riots are part of the same story: Big Government debauches not only a nation’s finances but its human capital, too.

As part of my promotional efforts, I chanced to find myself on a TV show the other day with an affable liberal who argued that what Obama needed to do was pass another trillion-dollar — or, better yet, multi-trillion — stimulus. I think not. The London rioters are the children of dependency, the progeny of Big Government: They have been marinated in “stimulus” their entire lives. There is literally nothing you can’t get Her Majesty’s Government to pay for. From page 205 of my book:

“A man of 21 with learning disabilities has been granted taxpayers’ money to fly to Amsterdam and have sex with a prostitute.”

Hey, why not? “He’s planning to do more than just have his end away,” explained his social worker. “Refusing to offer him this service would be a violation of his human rights.”

Why do they need a Dutch hooker? Just another hardworking foreigner doing the jobs Britons won’t do? Given the reputation of English womanhood, you’d have thought this would be the one gig that wouldn’t have to be outsourced overseas.

While the British Treasury is busy writing checks to Amsterdam prostitutes, one-fifth of children are raised in homes in which no adult works — in which the weekday ritual of rising, dressing, and leaving for gainful employment is entirely unknown. One tenth of the adult population has done not a day’s work since Tony Blair took office on May 1, 1997.

If you were born into such a household, you’ve been comprehensively “stimulated” into the dead-eyed zombies staggering about the streets this last week: pathetic inarticulate sub-humans unable even to grunt the minimal monosyllables to BBC interviewers desperate to appease their pathologies. C’mon, we’re not asking much: just a word or two about how it’s all the fault of government “cuts” like the leftie columnists argue. And yet even that is beyond these baying beasts. The great-grandparents of these brutes stood alone against a Fascist Europe in that dark year after the fall of France in 1940. Their grandparents were raised in one of the most peaceful and crime-free nations on the planet. Were those Englishmen of the mid-20th century to be magically transplanted to London today, they’d assume they were in some fantastical remote galaxy. If Charlton Heston was horrified to discover the Planet of the Apes was his own, Britons are beginning to realize that the remote desert island of Lord of the Flies is, in fact, located just off the coast of Europe in the north-east Atlantic. Within two generations of the Blitz and the Battle of Britain, a significant proportion of the once-free British people entrusted themselves to social rewiring by liberal compassionate Big Government and thereby rendered themselves paralytic and unemployable save for non-speaking parts in Rise of the Planet of the Apes. And even that would likely be too much like hard work.

Here’s another line from my book:

“In Britain, everything is policed except crime.”

Her Majesty’s cowed and craven politically correct constabulary stand around with their riot shields and Robocop gear as young rioters lob concrete through store windows to steal the electronic toys that provide their only non-narcotic or alcoholic amusement. I chanced to be in Piccadilly for the springtime riots when the police failed to stop the mob from smashing the windows of the Ritz and other upscale emporia, so it goes without saying that they wouldn’t lift a finger to protect less prestigious private property from thugs. Some of whom are as young as nine years old. And girls.

Yet a police force all but entirely useless when it comes to preventing crime or maintaining public order has time to police everything else. When Sam Brown observed en passant to a mounted policeman on Cornmarket Street in Oxford, “Do you know your horse is gay?”, he was surrounded within minutes by six officers and a fleet of patrol cars, handcuffed, tossed in the slammer overnight, and fined 80 pounds. Mr. Brown’s “homophobic comments,” explained a spokesmoron for Thames Valley Police, were “not only offensive to the policeman and his horse, but any members of the general public in the area.” The zealous crackdown on Sam Brown’s hippohomophobia has not been replicated in the present disturbances. Anyone who has so much as glanced at British policing policy over the last two decades would be hard pressed to argue which party on the streets of London, the thugs or the cops, is more irredeemably stupid.

This is the logical dead end of the Nanny State. When William Beveridge laid out his blueprint for the British welfare regime in 1942, his goal was the “abolition of want” to be accomplished by “co-operation between the State and the individual.” In attempting to insulate the citizenry from life’s vicissitudes, Sir William succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. As I write in my book: “Want has been all but abolished. Today, fewer and fewer Britons want to work, want to marry, want to raise children, want to lead a life of any purpose or dignity.” The United Kingdom has the highest drug use in Europe, the highest incidence of sexually transmitted disease, the highest number of single mothers, the highest abortion rate. Marriage is all but defunct, except for William and Kate, fellow toffs, upscale gays, and Muslims. From page 204:

“For Americans, the quickest way to understand modern Britain is to look at what LBJ’s Great Society did to the black family and imagine it applied to the general population”.

I believe it is regarded as a sign of insanity to start quoting oneself, but at the risk of trying your patience I’ll try one more, because it’s the link between America’s downgraded debt and Britain’s downgraded citizenry:

“The evil of such a system is not the waste of money but the waste of people.”

Big Government means small citizens: It corrodes the integrity of a people, catastrophically. Within living memory, the city in flames on our TV screens every night governed a fifth of the earth’s surface and a quarter of its population. When you’re imperialists on that scale, there are bound to be a few mishaps along the way. But nothing the British Empire did to its subject peoples has been as total and catastrophic as what a post-great Britain did to its own.

There are lessons for all of us there.

Mark Steyn
NRO

 

[RobDownSouth]

*yawn*

Mark Steyn
NRO

Quotin' Mark Steyn makes one appear so intelligent.

No original thought for you, nossir!

 

[CandiCame]

1. Our homicide rate is about a third of the US's BUT freely available nearby health care and other factors, such as what weapons are used, could affect the UK's figures because victims have a better chance of survival. Those factors don't account for all the difference.

2. No they're not. The riots have stopped.

Is that why the Winchester rifle at the Winchester was the only gun they had in Shaun of the Dead? That always bothered me. I was always like, "Why didn't they go to a gun store/pawn shop/hunting store?"

Also, that didn't last long. We had floods that lasted longer then that.

I've heard of this mythical "Good healthcare system" employed by other countries from some of my friends from other countries... please, tell me no more, as I may get depressed.

 

[torchthebitch]

The nanny state has caused the human digression. The nanny state has taken place of the family. Our example is just one of thousands of Government redistribution; AFDC, has taken place of the father, government is the bread winner. No need for the individual for innovation, creating. We the Government will take care of you, until other peoples money runs out.
...

I disagree. The nanny state has NOT taken the place of the family. It certainly has displaced and debilitated family, but it has replaced it with nothing. It has not taken the place of a father. A father, that is a proper caring and loving father, involves himself and strives to set an example. The nanny state offers nothing but money. In fact, one of the weaknesses of the nanny state is defined by it's name. Nannys are paid employees, and usually female.

Mary Poppins was a success because she made Mr Banks face up to his patriarchal responsibilities and get involved with his children. She did not seek to usurp or replace him.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Batter UP!

Online sales of aluminum bats on Amazon.com increased by 6,000 percent during the violence, according to CNN. Most British police don't carry guns. The situation is a far cry from the right to bear arms enshrined in the English Bill of Rights, a forerunner of our Second Amendment.

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia provided a historical summation of our Second Amendment's origins in English law in his brilliant 5-4 majority opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller (2008). Holding that "the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess firearms," Scalia wrote:

By the time of the founding, the right to have arms had become fundamental for English subjects. ... Blackstone, whose works, we have said, "constituted the preeminent authority on English law for the founding generation," ... cited the arms provision of the Bill of Rights as one of the fundamental rights of Englishmen. ... His description of it cannot possibly be thought to tie it to militia or military service. It was, he said, "the natural right of resistance and self-preservation,"... and "the right of having and using arms for self-preservation and defence." ... Other contemporary authorities concurred. ... Thus, the right secured in 1689 as a result of the Stuarts' abuses was by the time of the founding understood to be an individual right protecting against both public and private violence.

...

"A June 2000 CBS News report proclaimed Great Britain 'one of the most violent urban societies in the Western world.' Declared Dan Rather: 'This summer, thousands of Americans will travel to Britain expecting a civilized island free from crime and ugliness. . . (But now) the U.K. has a crime problem . . . worse than ours.' (David Kopel, Paul Gallant, and Joanne Eisen, "Britain: From Bad to Worse," America's First Freedom, 3/01, p. 26.) Street crime increased 47% between 1999 and 2000 (John Steele, "Crime on streets of London doubles," London Daily Telegraph, Feb. 29, 2000.) See also www.2ndlawlib.org/journals/okslip.html, www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment071800c.html, and www.nraila.org/research/19990716-BillofRightsCivilRights-030.html."

Jan LaRue
The American Thinker

Dominic Casciani, writing for the liberal BBC in Nov. 10, 2010, details the extraordinary difficulty of anyone but criminals possessing firearms in the UK:
"The UK has some of the toughest gun control laws in the world. If you want to own a gun, it is very difficult to do so. In short, it has been designed to put as many barriers in the way as possible and to assume the worst, rather than hope for the best."

The Democrats don't want to outlaw guns, they just want some prudent "regulation" on arms and ammunition...

Louisville Arms

 

[CandiCame]

How do they hunt?

Do they only have bow season?

 

[torchthebitch]

Race riots were different. They had a real cause of perceived grievance

To me this tortured interpretation is a symptom of how pervasive the Newthink has become. We will do anything to excuse bad behaviour in a way that does not hold an individual to account for his or her actions. Jus to we are not accused of being judgemental. Judgementalism is the home of fascists.


I.E. anyone who expects to be treated with civility.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

As Sensei K used to preach, "When any standard will do [when they are all equally valid, who are you to judge - A_J] then a low one is just as good as a high one and a lot easier to attain."

 

[Ishmael]

The UK is the second most crime ridden nation in the industrialized world, Australia saves them from being #1. (And indeed their position may have changed in that a new report is due from the Hague anytime now.)

The fact that the British have no written constitution has saved their politicos embarrassing court reviews when they embarked on completely disarming their population some 20 years ago or so.

Ishmael

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

How do they hunt?

Do they only have bow season?

I don't think they can so much as chase a FOX.


I believe they use gun clubs and communal storage...

But, I'm not an Englishman, we need to ask one of them batters...

 

[oggbashan]

How do they hunt?

Do they only have bow season?

Owning a shotgun is still fairly easy in the UK. Most of the animals and birds that can be shot don't need anything more than a 12 bore.

What is difficult is finding land on which to shoot. The 'wild' areas that abound in grouse etc. are managed to produce shootable gamebirds and cost a fortune to use a gun on.

Farmers who allow vermin shooting on their land usually want to make arrangements with a recognised club, and expect payment.

 

[CandiCame]

Owning a shotgun is still fairly easy in the UK. Most of the animals and birds that can be shot don't need anything more than a 12 bore.

What is difficult is finding land on which to shoot. The 'wild' areas that abound in grouse etc. are managed to produce shootable gamebirds and cost a fortune to use a gun on.

Farmers who allow vermin shooting on their land usually want to make arrangements with a recognised club, and expect payment.

Wow, most hunting grounds here in the states are private property- a lot of my relatives own them so we don't have to pay, but you have to put up "no poaching" signs and you still lose a lot of your game.

Shotguns are a bitch to hunt with- we mostly use rifles here; though I will go out with a bow during bow season- I like a compound bow (I was on archery teams and the like) lamely, because I love Zelda.

I don't do a lot of bird hunting though- mostly whitetail because it lasts FOREVER and I hate to eat factory-farm meat; I'm one of those people whose a vegetarian unless the meat's free- the way I'm not a smoker, I only smoke OPCs. Narnia led me to believe that you guys went stag hunting- maybe I shouldn't get my information from children's books.

Why can you not loot with a shotgun? That's all shrapnel. Hell, that woulda been way easier to kill zombies with then the damn Winchester.

edit: I just realized you said that farmers expect exterminators to pay them- dude, you guys should come to the states. You get rid of vermin, you get a free pig. Like, an entire pig- that's way more pork then people who weren't raised on farms believe it to be.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Max Hastings

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...neration-brutalised-youths.html#ixzz1UiQuNKKc

Jesus, how many times do we have to have the small homogeneous population discussion?

Wikipedia factoids do not make you smart; they make you rather stupid in .87 search seconds...

I like that. 0 to stupid in .87 sec.

Ishmael

You two must do this for the giggles.

First quote and construct an argument around an article in the Daily Mail.

Then you chide someone for quoting Wiki.

It’s ridiculously funny, intended or not.

Woof!

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I'm not making an argument as much as opening up a venue for the exchange of ideas.

Feral Humans have been with us for a long time; the question is why hasn't the Liberal State eliminated them with all of its attempts at education, egalitarianism and the redistribution of wealth (the polity of "fairness")?

Is you, or anyone's answer, more Liberalism, or more Capitalism?

Le_Trouve is just a rhetorical bomb-thrower, never sticking around for the trial of his factoids knowing that his larger purpose is easily taken to task and shown to be the product of a shallow, well-indoctrinated, liberal mind, in short, a True Believer.
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[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I'm convinced 95% of humans are functionally psychotic, that is, they experience a hallucinogenic world where crazy perceptions are unfiltered and exist as partners with reality.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

And here I thought it was just the after-effects of the 70s...

 

[HermesVoice]

So explain to us how the dreary lives of the proletariat improve the quality of life for the nation

Errrr ... they don't. It's pretty safe to say that anyone living a dreary life fails to improve the life of the nation. That's why we believe in impoving the quality of EVERYONE'S life.

Well ... many of us do.

Many more have no interest in promoting the general welfare, even while they scream how deeply they believe in the principles of the constitution.

I missed your first lecture on the subject.

You didn't miss the lecture, friend. You missed the point, even though it couldn't be stated in more blatant terms. Try re-reading the third paragraph.