Minimum Wage & Union Wages: You Pay for them...

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Well that's why we do have local taxes...And with the interstate it gets very complicated about who should pay for the upkeep. For instance when I lived an hour east of Chicago and would use the interstate to drive into town (when I didn't have time for the train) I'd be passing by many towns on the way to spend money in Chicago. Who should pay for the wear and tear then since my use generates no revenue for the cities/towns I am passing by?

Perhaps Illinois...

Remember, they used to be represented in Washington DC (the Senate, which was given over to the mob), now Zimbabwe has more official representation than does Illinois.



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What class does not solicit the favors of the state? It would seem as if the principle of life resided in it. Aside from the innumerable horde of its own agents, agriculture, manufacturing, commerce, the arts, the theatre, the colonies, and the shipping industry expect everything from it. They want it to clear and irrigate land, to colonize, to teach, and even to amuse. Each begs a bounty, a subsidy, an incentive, and especially the gratuitous gift of certain services, such as education and credit. And why not ask the state for the gratuitous gift of all services? Why not require the state to provide all the citizens with food, drink, clothing, and shelter free of charge?
Frédéric Bastiat

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

My, you are poetic this morning! There is of course an end, as you say we must be vigilant and educated. Unfortunately right now the vigilant are not educated (for the most part) and the educated are not vigilant.

The educated are now actually our enemies, victims of a culture which emerged in the 60s and which I, admittedly, used to be part of...
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Obama, you see, is our nemesis. He is a totem, the logical manifestation of a warped media, the reification of some crazy — and arrogant — ideas about redistributive politics, the statist economy, and cultural and social life that permeated American life the last forty years. He is the president with a 1,000 faces that we have all seen at work, on TV, throughout American life, and at some point the odds determined that we had to have a rendezvous with him— perhaps a catharsis to teach us the wages of Keynesian debt, of a social policy contrary to human nature with its equality of result doctrines, of an all-powerful, all-growing unaccountable government, of the now hip ambiguity about past American protocols and history. Obama is the exaggeration of all the dubious ideas that arose since the 1960s — brought to fruition on his watch, delivered by mellifluous cadences by an untouchable persona.

In fact, a Barack Obama was long overdue. Had he not appeared out of nowhere in 2008, we would have surely had to invent him.
Victor Davis Hanson

 

[markfifa0791]

Perhaps Illinois...

Remember, they used to be represented in Washington DC (the Senate, which was given over to the mob), now Zimbabwe has more official representation than does Illinois.



__________________
What class does not solicit the favors of the state? It would seem as if the principle of life resided in it. Aside from the innumerable horde of its own agents, agriculture, manufacturing, commerce, the arts, the theatre, the colonies, and the shipping industry expect everything from it. They want it to clear and irrigate land, to colonize, to teach, and even to amuse. Each begs a bounty, a subsidy, an incentive, and especially the gratuitous gift of certain services, such as education and credit. And why not ask the state for the gratuitous gift of all services? Why not require the state to provide all the citizens with food, drink, clothing, and shelter free of charge?
Frédéric Bastiat

Well clearly Illinois, but the need to govern across local and state lines makes a federal government necessary. What if, as happens all the time, Illinois decides it doesn't want to pay anymore? Does Indiana sue?

Zimbabwe is pretty messed up though, they can use all the help they can get.

 

[markfifa0791]

The educated are now actually our enemies, victims of a culture which emerged in the 60s and which I, admittedly, used to be part of...
__________________
Obama, you see, is our nemesis. He is a totem, the logical manifestation of a warped media, the reification of some crazy — and arrogant — ideas about redistributive politics, the statist economy, and cultural and social life that permeated American life the last forty years. He is the president with a 1,000 faces that we have all seen at work, on TV, throughout American life, and at some point the odds determined that we had to have a rendezvous with him— perhaps a catharsis to teach us the wages of Keynesian debt, of a social policy contrary to human nature with its equality of result doctrines, of an all-powerful, all-growing unaccountable government, of the now hip ambiguity about past American protocols and history. Obama is the exaggeration of all the dubious ideas that arose since the 1960s — brought to fruition on his watch, delivered by mellifluous cadences by an untouchable persona.

In fact, a Barack Obama was long overdue. Had he not appeared out of nowhere in 2008, we would have surely had to invent him.
Victor Davis Hanson

I feel like Bush was worse at ballooning government. Obama is bad at it yes, but Bush was ridiculous. Talk about a big spender.

 

[RightField]

I feel like Bush was worse at ballooning government. Obama is bad at it yes, but Bush was ridiculous. Talk about a big spender.

Obama's deficits are about $1T a year higher than Bush's ever were. He's bent the cost curve up on a trajectory that looks like an F15 streaking heavenward.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Well clearly Illinois, but the need to govern across local and state lines makes a federal government necessary. What if, as happens all the time, Illinois decides it doesn't want to pay anymore? Does Indiana sue?

Zimbabwe is pretty messed up though, they can use all the help they can get.

Then people will drive around Illinois; Tennessee and Missourah might then put more into roads to the south to steal away business from Chicago, not that they are already adept at running it off on their own...



And yes, if the States wish to sue, then they take it up in Federal Court, one of the few and limited reasons as to what the Federal government is directed to do constitutionally.

Tell me what you think about this:

An American Politburo has materialized before our eyes. Yes, our Congress is the result of a two-party system (those Rs and Ds) and, on the surface, doesn't fit very well with the one-party USSR system, but, let's look at those little pesky things called facts.

Administrative actions are already replacing legislative acts as the primary governance mechanism. Just examine the number of regulations emanating from the Environmental Protection Agency, Department of Justice, Department of Homeland Security, Department of Health and Human Services, etc, etc. Unelected officials (unaccountable to the citizenry) all around this land are producing laws we must abide by, or face some form of punishment, without ever coming under scrutiny by those we elect to represent our interests (and to protect and defend the constitution of these United States of America). By the way, governance is not government (as Americans know government). Governance is, very simply, rule.

Many large- and medium-sized cities in America have formed Councils on Sustainability, Councils on Urban Development, Councils on Transportation, Councils on Economic Development, and Council, after Council, after Council. Hmmm...most of these councils are appointed, not elected, here in America.

Just exactly what is a council? The Russian term for council is soviet. In the Council Union (the Soviet Union), rules were laid down by local soviets, regional soviets, and the national soviet. Notice there is no mention of a state council. Councils (Soviets) were responsible for regions. Regions did not have political boundaries so, for all intents and purposes, you had regional governance, outside the political structure, unelected and unaccountable.

Today we see many acts, via legislation and administrative rule, pushing for regionalism in America (for a more in-depth discussion of Regional Governance see: https://axiomamuse.wordpress.com/tag/regionalism). Soviets in America are real -- unelected councils -- and they are coming to a region near you.

The executive branch of our government has taken to surrounding itself with "czar" policy advisors (unelected, unaccountable appointees) and lobby interests who represent notions and desires other than those of the general citizenry. We are being held hostage to the "revolving door" Washington power-brokers. These folks conjure up memories of another piece of Cold-War-era vernacular: Nomenklatura. In good ole Council Russia the nomenklatura were the perk-getters of the Communist Party. American nomenklatura come from the vast apparatus that feeds off gaining influence over the decisions made by the unelected. Lobbyists, academic experts, and the bureaucrats who never have to worry about health insurance, retirement, or unemployment. Not to neglect the courtier corporations. They know the system and thus are able to negotiate government contracts for more of our tax dollars (that are worth less with each revolution of the earth around the sun). "Louis Freeh (former Director of the FBI), Admiral Loy (former head of the Transportation Security Agency), George Tenet (former Director of the CIA), Frank Moss (former program manager for the State Department's E-Passport program), and many others who previously held key positions in the federal government all joined Viisage/L-1 as members of the Board of Directors or as paid employees of Viisage/L-1" (see constitutionalalliance.org). Viisage/L1 is a Biometrics Industry giant.

On 01 August 2011, our federal legislators created the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction. Congress (central-committee -- for those still following the analogy) created what has been dubbed the "Super-Congress" because, by its rationale, the urgency of America's deficit problem cannot await action by it as a whole body. Ladies and gentlemen, American government has created a Politburo!

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/an_american_politburo.html

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Obama's deficits are about $1T a year higher than Bush's ever were. He's bent the cost curve up on a trajectory that looks like an F15 streaking heavenward.

Yes, I posted some great evidence and charts (via links) to this effect in the Doom and Gloom thread...

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Well clearly Illinois, but the need to govern across local and state lines makes a federal government necessary. What if, as happens all the time, Illinois decides it doesn't want to pay anymore? Does Indiana sue?

Zimbabwe is pretty messed up though, they can use all the help they can get.

What if you commute in from out of state? I'm sure Chicago sees commuters from Wisconsin, Iowa, & Indiana.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Once you begin looking to government as benefits, then there is no end to the benefit until it collapses under the weight of the plunderer's demands...

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[NeverEndingMe]

What if you commute in from out of state? I'm sure Chicago sees commuters from Wisconsin, Iowa, & Indiana.

yeah, people commute from Iowa to Chicago every day as its just a little drive.

IL is a perfect example of what happens when you have Dem's in office:

high taxes
they don't pay their bills
high unemployment
no job growth
high state income tax
high sales tax
toll roads