Minimum Wage & Union Wages: You Pay for them...

[amicus]

Part of the 'Emergency' Legislation that Obama signed to keep the subsidies going for the FAA, also included a Union 'rider' bill, to sweeten Union coffers and cost the general public more money.

Minimum wages create unemployment and increase the cost of everything you buy on a daily basis from supermarket products to fast foods. Union wages and benefits destroy jobs and increase the cost of living while benefitting only a small segment of society, namely, Union workers.

Unions were also fundamental in forcing companies to outsource labor by refusing to modernize. Public Unions should be outlawed altogether and private Unions severely limited in collective bargaining and the minimum wage should be abolished forever.

The 'usual suspects' will demand facts and figures and documentations. Nope, you actually have to think this one through and understand the concept.

Amicus Veritas

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Here is a list of things that I believe are facts, but I'm not going to back any of them up even if asked.

Good lord.

 

[amicus]

You have demonstrated your inability to think conceptually before; why embarrass yourself yet again?

Amicus

 

[cjh]

I think conceptually.

And I think your concepts are wrong.

I believe in mine much more strongly than I believe in yours.

And I can state that I believe in mine in fewer words than it takes you to state you believe in yours.

Set free from facts figures and authorities, I win.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

You have demonstrated your inability to think conceptually before; why embarrass yourself yet again?

Amicus

I have challenged him time and time again to explain the metric or mechanism by which you tax the rich and do not get the cost passed on to you, but liberals just have this notion that no ill effect comes from raising taxes on "the wealthy" or BIG "business..."

Everyone knows shit rolls down hill (which is why trickle-down is so effective), but when it comes to economics, they like to stand the rabbit hole on its head.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Some things I've had to say so often...




__________________
The Wealth of a Nation works best trickle-down. A Republic and an Economy work best trickle-up. A Socialist believes just the opposite.
A_J, the Stupid

(An Economy is the set of all transactions. Government is mutual cooperation for successful transacting. Wealth is the outcome of successful transactions.)

 

[amicus]

They only see the 'end', they never consider the 'means' by which that end is to be achieved, and the 'means' in their agenda, always involves the use of force and confiscation of wealth.

Ya buy em books, 'n buy em books, they just lick the pages & eat the covers.



ami

 

[warrior queen]

Take away the minimum wage.
Hmmmm.
That might mean that men have to work for less.
Which means their women would have no choice but to go out to work to help supplement the household income.
Resulting, of course, in less women being able to stay at home and raise the kids...

Doesn't seem to gel with your desire to see more women staying home, does it?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

They only see the 'end', they never consider the 'means' by which that end is to be achieved, and the 'means' in their agenda, always involves the use of force and confiscation of wealth.

Ya buy em books, 'n buy em books, they just lick the pages & eat the covers.



ami

Yes, the demand that only their intentions be judged and then the charge of cruelty should you trim based upon lack of result.

As Steyn says, even as $&P Downgrades to AA on the eve of my book launch, by the time it gets to paperback, we'll be junk, and all the Democrats will do is scream about how cutting back government in bad times simply destroys an economy...

 

[amicus]

Ya needs the BIG picture, kiddo, lower wages, lower prices, one breadwinner, woman has choice to actually be a woman.

There, that was not so hard, huh?



ami

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Take away the minimum wage.
Hmmmm.
That might mean that men have to work for less.
Which means their women would have no choice but to go out to work to help supplement the household income.
Resulting, of course, in less women being able to stay at home and raise the kids...

Doesn't seem to gel with your desire to see more women staying home, does it?

They're already out of the house working; the proper gambit is to claim the children will have to take to the sweat-shops again...




PS - That's why we champion abortion; so we're not saddled with inconveniences.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I think conceptually.

And I think your concepts are wrong.

I believe in mine much more strongly than I believe in yours.

And I can state that I believe in mine in fewer words than it takes you to state you believe in yours.

Set free from facts figures and authorities, I win.

Exactly.

 

[warrior queen]

Ya needs the BIG picture, kiddo, lower wages, lower prices, one breadwinner, woman has choice to actually be a woman.

There, that was not so hard, huh?



ami

you are not seriously trying to convince me that the end result would be lower prices, are you?!
The world you live in must be a happy, fluffy place indeed!

 

[Spacefender]

The federal minimum wage is $7.25 but apparently that's too much. I wonder just what the proper minimum wage should be.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Seeing as how the federal minimum wage is $7.25 but apparently that's too much I wonder just what the proper minimum wage should be?

$0.00

If you want efficient markets, then they decide. Telling an employer what he must pay only reduces employment, for the seen wage belies the unseen costs...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I have challenged him time and time again to explain the metric or mechanism by which you tax the rich and do not get the cost passed on to you, but liberals just have this notion that no ill effect comes from raising taxes on "the wealthy" or BIG "business..."

Everyone knows shit rolls down hill (which is why trickle-down is so effective), but when it comes to economics, they like to stand the rabbit hole on its head.

U_D...




Still no answer to the challenge?

 

[amicus]

Yes, the demand that only their intentions be judged and then the charge of cruelty should you trim based upon lack of result.

As Steyn says, even as $&P Downgrades to AA on the eve of my book launch, by the time it gets to paperback, we'll be junk, and all the Democrats will do is scream about how cutting back government in bad times simply destroys an economy...

~~~

Oh, and they do have such 'good' intentions, now, don't they? (no)

sighs...

ami

 

[warrior queen]

They're already out of the house working; the proper gambit is to claim the children will have to take to the sweat-shops again...




PS - That's why we champion abortion; so we're not saddled with inconveniences.

No, no, no!
Ami says everything will be rosy and perfect, and he's always right.
He says so.

 

[amicus]

you are not seriously trying to convince me that the end result would be lower prices, are you?!
The world you live in must be a happy, fluffy place indeed!

~~~

Of course it would be lower prices; competition, ya know, the dollar menu would be a half a buck if those entry level kids were paid what they were worth.

criminy, just think a little, eh?

ami

 

[warrior queen]

~~~

Of course it would be lower prices; competition, ya know, the dollar menu would be a half a buck if those entry level kids were paid what they were worth.

criminy, just think a little, eh?

ami

You're good for a laugh, at the very least!

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Amicus, you might like this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011...the_critical_limits_of_american_politics.html

 

[amicus]

The federal minimum wage is $7.25 but apparently that's too much. I wonder just what the proper minimum wage should be.

~~~

That is your basic problem; stop wondering.

Do you think some bureaucrat, one who performs work according to a book of rule and exercises no independent intellectual judgment, can decide what each worker at each level should be paid in every job in every state?

No one can figure that out, the minimum wage is arbitrary.

Only the free market can determine wages. I will pay you this much to do this; you accept or decline. Your choice...that be called freedom and liberty.

get it?

prolly not

amicus

edited to add: as a kid, I worked in the fields for .50 cents an hour and the fucking government still took part of it.

 

[bronzeage]

Ya needs the BIG picture, kiddo, lower wages, lower prices, one breadwinner, woman has choice to actually be a woman.

There, that was not so hard, huh?



ami

By this principle, as long as wages and prices maintain their relative position, we can have one breadwinner and women have a choice to actually be a woman.

We need a resolution from the Nobel committee to declare lunacy to be a form of intellect.

 

[phrodeau]

What if they eliminate the minimum wage for women only? That would fit your deeply sexist agenda.

 

[Spacefender]

Hey, everyone! It's the people making the least amount of money that are driving up prices! Makes perfect sense to me.