Who are there more women than men in college? Because women can find funding! Duh.

[badbabysitter]

IOW you cannot support your argument that male prostitution is within orders of magnitude as common as prostitution for women.


And my point was that they're very rare in comparison. A man who is broke has next to zero chance of pursuing this option to feed himself. He usually just DIES. But you're a woman, you couldn't give a shit about that.


Now you're disproving an argument I never said.


I was talking about this article. Forced prostitution has nothing to do with these college women. Or does it?


Much better. Hell we were both not being fully clear.


Never said there weren't.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2008/12/01/male-prostitutes.html


and right here it states that 20% of prostitute arrests are MALE..so it seems my very generous statement about thier numers...wasn't generous enough

http://www.bayswan.org/stats.html

and if you look at it more closely.. depending on the state, province and/or region.. the numbers of male prostitues ( not counting transgender) averages 20 to 30 %... so they are hardly the " rare" beings you claim

as for the disproving the arguement you never said... I know that... I just keep trying to point out that prostitution wouldnt exist if people stopped buying sex. I've said this multiple times in this thread... you have yet to respond to that


Now you're just trying to quibble over details... if we want to go that route, I was directly refering tomwomen being forced into prostitution... and in your reply you at no point were directly referencing the college girls in this particular case

see how annoying it can be to have to answer each and every single technicality and be called on generalities if you dont narrowly answer is?

so lets both stop doing it


...alrighty.. now .. what we can both agree on is this

prostitution = bad

 

[badbabysitter]

and while I'm looking.. I'll just post some more stuff on male prostitution so that it doesnt get called into play later... it's much better then editig it backwards into my earlier post

http://menshealth.about.com/cs/stds/a/safe_sex.htm

this one is a long read.. and kinda meanders

http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/usa.htm

the side bar here gives stats.. but thats about it

http://sex-crimes.laws.com/prostitution/prostitution-statistics

and .. well..crap.... this site potentially could solve this part of the debate.. if you're willing to wait

http://maleprostitution.org/

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2008/12/01/male-prostitutes.html


and right here it states that 20% of prostitute arrests are MALE..so it seems my very generous statement about thier numers...wasn't generous enough

http://www.bayswan.org/stats.html

Where does the "A Difficult Issue For Feminists" get that stat from??? :Rolleyes:

and if you look at it more closely.. depending on the state, province and/or region.. the numbers of male prostitues ( not counting transgender) averages 20 to 30 %... so they are hardly the " rare" beings you claim

Eh, that was San Francisco. Frisco is a serious outlier.

as for the disproving the arguement you never said... I know that... I just keep trying to point out that prostitution wouldnt exist if people stopped buying sex. I've said this multiple times in this thread... you have yet to respond to that

Well, duh, it wouldn't exist.

But if you're a guy that can't pay tuition you're orders of magnitude in deeper shit than a woman.

Now you're just trying to quibble over details... if we want to go that route, I was directly refering tomwomen being forced into prostitution... and in your reply you at no point were directly referencing the college girls in this particular case

Actually, yes I was. I was keeping with the TOPIC.

see how annoying it can be to have to answer each and every single technicality and be called on generalities if you dont narrowly answer is?

Hey when you explained your goof-up I wrote it off. It ain't my problem if you carry a grudge!

...alrighty.. now .. what we can both agree on is this

prostitution = bad

The point of this thread is women have more options than men when it comes to making ends meet. A broke ass male college student just starves.

Ever wonder why far more men than women are homeless? Because no one comes to the men's rescue... but they'll rescue a homeless woman!!!

 

[badbabysitter]

Where does the "A Difficult Issue For Feminists" get that stat from??? :Rolleyes:


Eh, that was San Francisco. Frisco is a serious outlier.


Well, duh, it wouldn't exist.

But if you're a guy that can't pay tuition you're orders of magnitude in deeper shit than a woman.


Actually, yes I was. I was keeping with the TOPIC.


Hey when you explained your goof-up I wrote it off. It ain't my problem if you carry a grudge!


The point of this thread is women have more options than men when it comes to making ends meet. A broke ass male college student just starves.

Ever wonder why far more men than women are homeless? Because no one comes to the men's rescue... but they'll rescue a homeless woman!!!

I realized that my two citings werent probably going to be enough, so I added more in the following post

and that 20% seems to be the average right across the board according to the other citings


so who knows how many guys are paying their tuition by selling thier bodies

hell, several of my clients are transgendered prostitutes.. so I know with my own eyes that they are real

we've even discussed this in the past.. and I did agree with you that prostitution is a mitigating factor in the homelessness case... the stats would reflect as much 41 % homeless men, 14% homeless women... even if 80% of momelessness ( at least according to the stats) last less then 3 weeks.. it's a telling statement


as for there being more homeless resources for women then there are men.. sadly, that simply isnt true

I work directly in a related field.. and there is a grand total of 2 shelters in my city directly dedicated to homeless women.. and over 15 dedicated solely to men... in fact, there are less then 5 that are family or co-ed oriented

as for the all the rest.. it's just going to be more he said- she said between us.. and we can continue on it all day.. or we can get into the meat and gravy of the issues

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I realized that my two citings werent probably going to be enough, so I added more in the following post

and that 20% seems to be the average right across the board according to the other citings


so who knows how many guys are paying their tuition by selling thier bodies

Maybe in a fantasy universe. When you find a sugar momma paying some guy's tuition then please, wake me up and remind me why you even bothered to post in this thread.

hell, several of my clients are transgendered prostitutes.. so I know with my own eyes that they are real

Yeah but they're transgendered.

as for there being more homeless resources for women then there are men.. sadly, that simply isnt true

Oh, really. Count the number of homeless shelters for men vs women. You can hardly ever find homeless men's shelters. How are you coming up with 15 in one STATE much less one city?

 

[badbabysitter]

Maybe in a fantasy universe. When you find a sugar momma paying some guy's tuition then please, wake me up and remind me why you even bothered to post in this thread.


Yeah but they're transgendered.


Oh, really. Count the number of homeless shelters for men vs women. You can hardly ever find homeless men's shelters. How are you coming up with 15 in one STATE much less one city?

What amazes me is that you dont think male prostitutes use the money they earn on the same thing that female prostitues do

I also have had more then male prositute client... they typically aren't as forthcoming.. but seeing as in my line of work we often have to liase with the police and legal system, it eventually comes out


so .. crossdresser prostitutes don't count as prostitutes? interesting to hear

Because I work in a related field, thats why I can find them.. I've got a list of them in a brochure I have on my desk... a stack of brochures actually, because I hand them out to people who seek shelters.... I also have thier phone numbers.. I know several of the people that run them... as I've mentioned before part of my job is helping assist people with challenges to tenancy.. in many cases thats just code for " homeless"...that's how i manage to find them.... just because you don't know about them , doesnt mean they dont exist

and I did count the number of them.. I even told you in the post.. you just didnt quote that part.. go back and read it again

better yet, let me quote myself if it will help

as for there being more homeless resources for women then there are men.. sadly, that simply isnt true

I work directly in a related field.. and there is a grand total of 2 shelters in my city directly dedicated to homeless women.. and over 15 dedicated solely to men... in fact, there are less then 5 that are family or co-ed oriented

 

[SweetestThing]

So this is a thread about gender equality, or lack thereof, in prostitution?

Right-o.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Guys can sell their mangina too as you well know

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

College has become a pink collar ghetto. When the galz walk in the front door, the money leaves by the back door, and the guyz follow the money.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

What amazes me is that you dont think male prostitutes use the money they earn on the same thing that female prostitues do

What amazes me is that you think this is what I've been talking about at all.

The point is not that at all. It's that if you're a poor broke woman college student you have one last-ditch (if immoral) way to get bailed out financially. 999999 out of 1000000 males don't have that particular option.

so .. crossdresser prostitutes don't count as prostitutes? interesting to hear

You're counting them all as male, which is a load of bull.

Because I work in a related field, thats why I can find them.. I've got a list of them in a brochure I have on my desk... a stack of brochures actually, because I hand them out to people who seek shelters.... I also have thier phone numbers.. I know several of the people that run them... as I've mentioned before part of my job is helping assist people with challenges to tenancy.. in many cases thats just code for " homeless"...that's how i manage to find them.... just because you don't know about them , doesnt mean they dont exist

You're saying there's 15 men's shelters to every 2 women's shelters. That is bullshit.

 

[badbabysitter]

The point is not that at all. It's that if you're a poor broke woman college student you have one last-ditch (if immoral) way to get bailed out financially. 999999 out of 1000000 males don't have that particular option.


You're counting them all as male, which is a load of bull.


You're saying there's 15 men's shelters to every 2 women's shelters. That is bullshit.

What is stopping men from engaging in prostitution? The arrest statistics would go to show that a great deal of men already do that


hell, you saw it in the links.. you cant really deny it now... your arguement doesnt work out on the grounds that men already do engage in prostitution.. you cant say they do it, when I've just show you that they actually do it


and now, i'm not counting them all as male.. you are simply disregarding any of them being male in some sort of attempt to pretend men aren't prostitutes


and as for the last... I dont pretend to know what you do for a living in your city.. but since my job involves knowing what shelters there are in my city, I'm pretty sure that it still stands that there are 15 shelters that cater to men and 2 that cater to women..... just because reality doesnt fit in with your opinions, doesnt make it any less true

 

[badbabysitter]

If I could figure out a way to post a PDF... I'd show you our projected line up for shelters for November 2011... after the Conservatives took power, most of the funding at the begining of the year was cut.. the city has chipped in, the province has kicked in, and the private secotor has kicked in as well

many of the men's shelters are offically going coed... several more are re-opening.. some that didnt pass regulation are now on the list , now bringing the women up to a very respectable decree.. a handful of new ones are opening as well.. not to mention the emergency shelters that will open in December and close again in march

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

What is stopping men from engaging in prostitution? The arrest statistics would go to show that a great deal of men already do that

Just like arrest statistics show black people are criminals. Arrest statistics are not the most accurate.

hell, you saw it in the links.. you cant really deny it now... your arguement doesnt work out on the grounds that men already do engage in prostitution.. you cant say they do it, when I've just show you that they actually do it

I can also show you that drunk drivers occasionally make it home safely.

and as for the last... I dont pretend to know what you do for a living in your city.. but since my job involves knowing what shelters there are in my city, I'm pretty sure that it still stands that there are 15 shelters that cater to men and 2 that cater to women..... just because reality doesnt fit in with your opinions, doesnt make it any less true

What I'm not doing here is just believing your word on that.

 

[badbabysitter]

Just like arrest statistics show black people are criminals. Arrest statistics are not the most accurate.


I can also show you that drunk drivers occasionally make it home safely.


What I'm not doing here is just believing your word on that.

Dude, bringing race into this is completely dishonest... pulling the race card doesnt mean men arent prostitutes as well

and I bet you can show me drunks make it home safely as well... does that mean drinking and driving is a harmless diversion?

plus, like prostitution.. it is also illegal... see? anyone can do the false equivalency dance like you did with race


as for the last.. fine, don't believe me... your personal feelings dont reflect the facts.. i'll try not to lose any sleep over it

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Dude, bringing race into this is completely dishonest... pulling the race card doesnt mean men arent prostitutes as well

It was not a race card, it was about showing that arrests are totally arbitrary in nature and not an accurate measurement of who is doing what.

More people are busted for crack cocaine than powder cocaine, but do you think crack cocaine usage is more prevalent? (Hint: people who use powdered cocaine do it in high rise offices and swank hotel rooms.)

and I bet you can show me drunks make it home safely as well... does that mean drinking and driving is a harmless diversion?

No, saying that drinking and driving is a harmless diversion would be the same as following your logic about male prostitution being anything close to commonplace.

as for the last.. fine, don't believe me... your personal feelings dont reflect the facts..

No less so than yours.

 

[badbabysitter]

It was not a race card, it was about showing that arrests are totally arbitrary in nature and not an accurate measurement of who is doing what.

More people are busted for crack cocaine than powder cocaine, but do you think crack cocaine usage is more prevalent? (Hint: people who use powdered cocaine do it in high rise offices and swank hotel rooms.)


No, saying that drinking and driving is a harmless diversion would be the same as following your logic about male prostitution being anything close to commonplace.


No less so than yours.

the drug thing is an amazing travesty... it's because the laws amazingly enough WEIGH the drugs as opposed to its abuse... cracks is bigger and heavier, hence bigger penalties.. it's truly fucked up beyond belief

as for the male prostitution thing.. you dont feel the percentages match up to reality?..... that would imply some deliberate conspiracy by police forces across North America to hunt down male prostitues in order to create that large of a percentage... that's Mike Yates kinda thinking

as for personal feelings reflecting facts.. this is what I do for a living.. I know the figures, I know the facts.. just because you havent bothered doing any research on the number of shleters in your area..is not indicative of me not knowing the numbers in mine

hell, I could give you projected numbers of homeless in my region ( accoriding to our last official count).. and break them down by gender if you like

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

the drug thing is an amazing travesty... it's because the laws amazingly enough WEIGH the drugs as opposed to its abuse... cracks is bigger and heavier, hence bigger penalties.. it's truly fucked up beyond belief

as for the male prostitution thing.. you dont feel the percentages match up to reality?..... that would imply some deliberate conspiracy by police forces across North America to hunt down male prostitues in order to create that large of a percentage... that's Mike Yates kinda thinking

Women complain all the time that the cops arrest prostitutes and not johns. I guess they're conspiracy theorists, too.

, I could give you projected numbers of homeless in my region ( accoriding to our last official count).. and break them down by gender if you like

I'm sure you'll claim they're mostly women even though any known statistic puts it at 70% MALE.

 

[badbabysitter]

Women complain all the time that the cops arrest prostitutes and not johns. I guess they're conspiracy theorists, too.


I'm sure you'll claim they're mostly women even though any known statistic puts it at 70% MALE.

what part is the conspiracy theory... your belief that men arent prostitutes.. or how certain drug laws are enforced?


and no, I don't believe that.. .. and I'm very positive the majority of them are male.. that still doesnt change the reality of the nature of shelter make-up

just because you refuse to accept numbers..doesnt mean I wont as well

 

[renard_ruse]

...And my point was that they're very rare in comparison. A man who is broke has next to zero chance of pursuing this option to feed himself. He usually just DIES. But you're a woman, you couldn't give a @#$% about that...

I don't think its really a woman.

 

[badbabysitter]

I don't think ...

Fixed it for you

 

[lustatopia]

I fear nothing on four legs...
--LJ Unloaded

http://image.hotdog.hu/_data/members1/433/1283433/images/dog-gun.jpg​

 

[xenophile]

Short list of illegal things men can do to make money:
Robbery, armed and unarmed
Shoplifting
Carjacking
Burglary
Growing marajuana
Smuggling cocaine
Manufacturing MDMA
Growing Crystal Meth
Cybercrime

While it is true that women can do all of the above, men do it better because they have superior physical strength and are mentally geared towards science, technology, computers, and mathematics when compared to women.*

*There is sarcasm present in this sentence.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

See, there you go again.

If a guy is saddled with college debt he's just done for.
At least a woman in that situation has options.

What stops a guy from going gay for pay?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

What stops a guy from going gay for pay?

Well aside from his sexual preference (imagine a woman having to go gay for pay), there is also a bigger problem: the number of gay-for-pay customers... or more specifically, the lack thereof.

 

[badbabysitter]

Well aside from his sexual preference (imagine a woman having to go gay for pay), there is also a bigger problem: the number of gay-for-pay customers... or more specifically, the lack thereof.

and there's no evidence there's a lack of them


please note the percentages of men arrested as being prostitutes...