A question about hypnosis

[SillyChrissy]

I don't know if there are any experts in hypnosis here but I have a question. How can you tell if someone is manipulating you with hypnosis?
I went to this counselor who helped me with an eating disorder a few years ago by hypnotizing me. The treatment worked and I am perfectly healthy now which is great but now I keep going back to him and I'm not sure why.

I get calls from him at random times and we talk for a little bit then I get suddenly very horny for him and then go over to his house. 99 percent of the time I am totally grossed out by him so I don't know why this happens.

I tried to not answer the phone when he calls but now that doesn't even help.

 

[horny247]

If your serious. I'd get him arrested.

 

[SillyChrissy]

If your serious. I'd get him arrested.

how do I prove it? I don't really remember the act itself. by the time I realize what is going on I"m in my car driving home. often without any clothes on.

but I stopped going to his hypnosis sessions a long time ago so I don't know what is going on.

 

[Fantasies_only]

It sounds like he really is messing with your head.
I've read that other women have had the same problem in a similar manner.
It usually starts off with repeat visits as you would normally expect, but when he puts you under, you loose your inhibitions at a command word or some type of sound conditioning.

A command is given to not resist his attempts to put you under (why you have to pick up the phone).
The command word is given so you will meet with him so he can hypnotize you, to not arouse suspicion over the phone.

You will go in for an addiction and come out a sex slave, but it will take repeated visits for sex to occur.
He'll just break down your defenses before then.

I've just been reading about something that works even faster.
You've heard of the 50s and 60s belief that there are hidden tracks in popular music.
Guess what, they were right!
Not about killing people, but seducing women!

It seems Apple is susceptible to hypnotic suggestion.
iPod, iPad, iPhone, and itunes all have applications for mind control and hypnosis (self help as well as seduction).

 

[SillyChrissy]

but when he was treating me for my eating disorder I left the session remembering what went on. but again the last few sessions were much longer. didn't seem longer though if that makes any sense.

the thing that freaks me out is now I'm missing huge chunks of time and I have no idea what he is having me do.

 

[Fantasies_only]

Loosing time is a side effect of hypnosis (the closest I can come to an explanation would be the effects of Ecstasy).
Sometimes he might have a fetish for you remembering what happened without you being in control (rape that's not rape because you consented).

 

[SillyChrissy]

So you are saying he controls what exactly and how much I remember?

I knew there was something behind the phone calls. When I first hear his voice I just loath him but within a minute I feel totally in love.

 

[coldflame07]

Hmm..

Sounds like a great idea for an erotic story!! DIBS ON RIGHTS! XD kidding.. sorry.. ahem..

My suggestion to you is have someone go with you when you go see him. (Like a secret ninja who sneaks around and watches you to make sure you don't do anything you're... not... in control of..)

Second suggestion.. see another therapist and ask them what they think. Sometimes therapists stick together and don't want to meddle in each other's work, but they still have an obligation to give you their professional opinion. So.. get a second opinion from an expert (as I am merely a silly person who is high on caffeine at the moment).

Finally! My last suggestion if you want to keep the status quo and you're confused about what's going.. try to keep track of time. I read somewhere that people under hypnosis often lose track of time.. one method to keep track is write down the time before you go see him or before you talk to him then compare it. If you talk to him on the phone and you get another spell of confusion, check the phone log and see if it makes sense.

If all else fails... I'll lend you my Ninja Raccoon squad to make his life miserable?

 

[billrichards41]

It's unlikely that he can actually do that. Hypnosis is abotu re-programming the subconscious, through suggestion. It's more about changing behavior as oppsed to controlling someone. The part were the hypnotist puts someone under and they do silly things on stage or are like a Manchurian candidate are very very rare if feasible at all.
If he is calling you and you think of it as harassment or that more is going on, get the police involved. I'd let someone know when I have a visit and have them wait for me and be able to help me to see if there are any indications of abuse.

 

[Sir Victor]

how do I prove it? I don't really remember the act itself. by the time I realize what is going on I"m in my car driving home. often without any clothes on.

but I stopped going to his hypnosis sessions a long time ago so I don't know what is going on.

She says she's driving home naked so it would seem that yes something is going on if this is a true story. So, are your clothes in the car with you so that you can dress before you go into your home?

You stopped going but you still have lost time? Are you saying that perhaps you go to him without knowing now?

He had you remember what he wanted you to remember in the early sessions.

If you are really ending up in your car naked, you should report him obviously and find out if there have been any other reports.

How old are you?

 

[Fantasies_only]

It's unlikely that he can actually do that. Hypnosis is abotu re-programming the subconscious, through suggestion. It's more about changing behavior as oppsed to controlling someone. The part were the hypnotist puts someone under and they do silly things on stage or are like a Manchurian candidate are very very rare if feasible at all.
If he is calling you and you think of it as harassment or that more is going on, get the police involved. I'd let someone know when I have a visit and have them wait for me and be able to help me to see if there are any indications of abuse.

This is the point of repeated visits and involves mood manipulation.
It's similar to a pedophile grooming a child for sexual activity, creating a trusting bond that alters behavior to a more accepted nature (completely ethical depending on how it's used).

By the way, this thing is real (works like EEG).
It's called Binaural Beats (needs headphones) and Isochronic Tones (uses stickers on forehead and temples or headband, ideal for hiding behind a woman's hair).

 

[Tnacifingisni]

So you are saying he controls what exactly and how much I remember?

I knew there was something behind the phone calls. When I first hear his voice I just loath him but within a minute I feel totally in love.

So change your number and have it unlisted. If you suspect this much, have a detective (either private or police) bug your line and investigate what happens when you go to him. Police can act on this.

 

[Fantasies_only]

Actually this hypno therapist, got indicted and convicted too. And the worst part is this, he was a host a TV program later on on Danish television, which is just insane.

I've always suspected Derren Brown of doing unethical things on his show as well.

 

[Nasty_Deeds]

I don't know if there are any experts in hypnosis here but I have a question. How can you tell if someone is manipulating you with hypnosis?
I went to this counselor who helped me with an eating disorder a few years ago by hypnotizing me. The treatment worked and I am perfectly healthy now which is great but now I keep going back to him and I'm not sure why.

I get calls from him at random times and we talk for a little bit then I get suddenly very horny for him and then go over to his house. 99 percent of the time I am totally grossed out by him so I don't know why this happens.

I tried to not answer the phone when he calls but now that doesn't even help.

When a patient is being treated by a hypnotherapist or a psychologist, the patient can easily, (and often does), become emotionally attached to the therapist on a subconscious level. After all, the therapist is helping you and making you feel good about yourself. Because of this emotional connection, or in many cases, emotional dependence, it is unethical for any therapist, (hypno or psychologist), to become physically involved with a patient.

You wrote: “I get calls from him at random times and we talk for a little bit then I get suddenly very horny for him”. This sounds like you are responding to a post-hypnotic suggestion. The question is, did he plant the post-hypnotic suggestion, or did create it in your own imagination. However, regardless of whether he planted the suggestion or you created it in your subconscious, it is unethical, (and in most cases illegal), for any therapist to use this for their own person advantage.

Proving it is difficult. What you might try is going to a second hypnotherapist and see if he or she can recover lost memories of what happened during the times you can’t remember. There is no guaranty that lost memories can be recovered. Also keep in mind, the subconscious is a murky place, and it can be difficult to distinguish between a person’s imagination and reality sometimes. If you go to a second hypnotist, make sure it is someone reputable.

It’s rare, but sometimes unethical hypnotherapists do use their power over their patients for sex. If it turns out that you are being manipulated by a post-hypnotic suggestion, you must go to the police with at least some evidence. If he has you under his control, you are not the only woman he is doing this to.

 

[ecclectic]

don't answer the phone?

 

[Fantasies_only]

I'd like to make the point that a professional (whatever) doing this is doing something unethical, but from a legal standpoint, an independent has a right to keep his business going with covert hypnosis, case in point:
Girls Gone Wild
How many times have you seen someone go from "My mom would kill me," to "I've never done anything like this before," and from being publicly topless to having lesbian sex without even being a lesbian?!

 

[Nasty_Deeds]

I'd like to make the point that a professional (whatever) doing this is doing something unethical, but from a legal standpoint, an independent has a right to keep his business going with covert hypnosis, case in point:
Girls Gone Wild
How many times have you seen someone go from "My mom would kill me," to "I've never done anything like this before," and from being publicly topless to having lesbian sex without even being a lesbian?!

Even though some of the young women may be inexperienced in the beginning, in the case of “Girls Gone Wild”, those women are professionals being paid to perform. When making videos, the performers in Girls Gone Wild are following a script and are fully conscious of what they are doing.

In the situation that SillyChrissy describes, she has blocks of time and memory missing, and appears to not be fully aware of what is happening to her. Under the law, a woman must be able to give “conscious” consent before having sex with someone. Whether by drugs, alcohol or hypnosis, if a woman is manipulated into a condition where she cannot give conscious consent, it is rape.

 

[welkin]

Is this even possible? To be hypnotized that she would lose so much control, not remember anything, and yet is miraculously able to drive a car home without crashing it? Can someone else corroborate on the effect of hypnosis?

 

[ChrissieLecker]

Is this even possible? To be hypnotized that she would lose so much control, not remember anything, and yet is miraculously able to drive a car home without crashing it? Can someone else corroborate on the effect of hypnosis?

It's not impossible. Most people are able to point out situations in their past of great stress or emotional turmoil where they lost time. Who hasn't asked themselves once or twice after a car ride "whoa, how did I get from there to here?" It is the same mechanism of self protection that keeps traumatized persons from recalling shocking events.

The same can happen with routine tasks. Again, driving a car is a common example, if you drive the same road to work every day, chances are high that the mind blanks out whole periods of uneventful driving. The human mind is quite capable of forgetting, repressing and working on auto pilot, the tricky thing about hypnosis is to trigger those mechanisms.

Though I don't think that just anybody can be hypnotised to perform sexual acts or experience memory loss easily, there are certain predispositions that can make it easier - like compulsive and auto agressive behaviour, a history of intensive drug abuse or severe trauma - because the brain always tries to run those "programs" or patterns it has experience with. The words "eating disorder" do ring a warning bell there.

Chrissy, I don't know you enough from the few lines here to give more than generic guesses, but I'd strongly advise you not to visit another hypnotist. Eating disorders are usually either compulsive, auto agressive or both, and they have their reasons (however profound they may later seem) deeply rooted in every day life. A form of therapy that doesn't work through those reasons holds a high risk of simply tranferring the focus of the disorder to something else and leaving the real triggers buried in the subconscious.

Visiting another therapist is a good suggestion, but I'd advise you to pick one by a number of criteria: choose a female, for obvious reasons; have a look at the techniques she uses and make sure that it is a branch of psychology that focuses on the present and on human interaction, like e.g. Gestalt therapy, but which doesn't rely too much on patterns like e.g. classic freudian behavioural therapy or NLP do. Do a test session and listen to your gut feeling, without a basic trust level it won't work. Check that she doesn't just tell you what you want to hear. The important thing for you is to find out what happened in the missing time, what triggers those episodes of sexual tension and how you can recognize and avoid those triggers. But the most important thing at this time is to find someone who helps you to work through all that with your self esteem intact and without manipulating you.

 

[want2_watchwife]

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[Fantasies_only]

Even though some of the young women may be inexperienced in the beginning, in the case of “Girls Gone Wild”, those women are professionals being paid to perform. When making videos, the performers in Girls Gone Wild are following a script and are fully conscious of what they are doing.

In the situation that SillyChrissy describes, she has blocks of time and memory missing, and appears to not be fully aware of what is happening to her. Under the law, a woman must be able to give “conscious” consent before having sex with someone. Whether by drugs, alcohol or hypnosis, if a woman is manipulated into a condition where she cannot give conscious consent, it is rape.

I'm sure you would like to think everything is on the up and up, but ever since they started going to naked girls from topless girls, a whistle blower has proven that these techniques were used in the past.

Ever since the controversy about a 17 year old on vacation who just happened to be at the GGW audition misrepresenting her age as 18, they've said they haven't been doing this anymore, but even on the late night censored shows you can see they actually are, I mean how could they not, the power is so tempting for them!

Paying them for their time on TV, and paying them again for speaking on TV is a totally different story.
They know they will get the money anyway, so why should they take off all their clothes or lift up their top?

The conscious thing is called "in her right mind".
Technically the victim is conscious during a drunken state because nobody instructs her to do anything, she just does it, an inappropriate action but legal.
Under the influence of drugs is not legal but alcohol is, and so is certain forms of hypnosis (brainwashing excluded).

 

[Fantasies_only]

Makes for a great story or SRP idea, but i can't believe you folks are taking this seriously. PT Barnum would love you, Chrissy.

Why, does she have a swan-like bird?
I would love to see her beautiful egress (everyone lined up to go through a doorway with an exit sign above it). LOL

 

[want2_watchwife]

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[hellsgate]

The only way I'd mess with hypnosis is to condition a woman to ~LOVE~ to wear easy-access nursing bras and get horny at the idea of mother/son incest roleplay, lactate or want to breastfeed her significant other or have an orgasm every time she hears a baby cry.

http://www.onlynipples.com/wp-content/gallery/jn-ivette/nursing-bra-milky-tits.jpg

The Perfect Date

 

[Fantasies_only]

Sounds like a great idea for an erotic story!! DIBS ON RIGHTS! XD kidding.. sorry.. ahem..

Someone has already published an autobiography which was almost exactly like this situation.
A few years ago, a woman who had a cigaret addiction tried many programs and products to help her quit, none of which worked.
She finally went to her psychiatrist for a reason why she couldn't quit, and agreed to hypnotherapy.

The hypnotherapy became hypnotic seduction which was exactly like Chrissie's situation.

Although what Chrissie's therapist did was unethical, and perhaps illegal, a non professional individual using these techniques is not do anything immoral in any way.
Non consensual interaction is immoral and sometimes illegal.
Emotional prompts aren't immoral since the action is the decision of the target.

What you guys think of hypnosis or mind control is like the techniques of MK-Ultra:
Shock Treatment
Blackmail
Empty Threats
Violent Threats
Physical Trauma
Emotional Trauma
Dehydration
Persuasion and Coercion
Bribery
Sleep Deprivation


As for conversational hypnosis (the idea you can get what you what from a person if you act confident, look well groomed, and have a nice attitude), I don't believe it.
What it is is coincidence.