NRA and Florida gag pediatricians: no more firearm safety advice for parents

[koalabear]

If it's only 11,000 I'd be willing to bet there are more doctors capable of teaching firearm safety than the NRA has. Which is odd, I would have thought the NRA had more than that.

I'd had you figured for a lousy gambler.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'd had you figured for a lousy gambler.

More accurately you lack critical thinking skills and basic math. But hey same difference.

 

[sufisaint]

It just a pissing match between powerful lobbies but there is no question that AMA is not gun friendly. Here is a good side article.

http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/m/2011/04/25/gsb0425.htm

 

[Ishmael]

The point is, friend, it's not like the pediatricians were previously required to discuss gun safety. This law isn't trying to reversed a misguided government mandate. It just picked one specific topic to forbid discussing with your physician. And why? Why is the NRA scared of gun safety? And if they aren't, why are they scared of physicians discussing it?


Oh, and miles, this isn't a privacy issue. Unlike your abortion analogy, there is no requirement for anyone saying anything to anyone, or for the subject even to be raised. You, as a patient, DO NOT have to tell the doctor that you own guns, and can stop any discussion the doctor tries to start. So tell me again, how is my privacy being violated?

First of all sigh, the law didn't come about in a void. Some legislator didn't sit down with his/her staff and decide to go after the Pediatricians.

Secondly the NRA spends hundreds of thousands of dollars annually on gun safety education for children. The program has been in place since at least 1988. Any organization or school that requests the program gets it, for free. There is NO other organization that understands that gun safety is in their own best interests.

Thirdly, the issue is NOT the physician discussing gun safety, an issue which most are singularly unqualified to discuss to begin with, but the keeping of records and the denial of service. And that is specifically what the law addresses, not the histrionics of the nay-sayers.

Ishmael

 

[richard_daily]

Everything.

Even the things that they haven't said yet?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

First of all sigh, the law didn't come about in a void. Some legislator didn't sit down with his/her staff and decide to go after the Pediatricians.

Secondly the NRA spends hundreds of thousands of dollars annually on gun safety education for children. The program has been in place since at least 1988. Any organization or school that requests the program gets it, for free. There is NO other organization that understands that gun safety is in their own best interests.

Thirdly, the issue is NOT the physician discussing gun safety, an issue which most are singularly unqualified to discuss to begin with, but the keeping of records and the denial of service. And that is specifically what the law addresses, not the histrionics of the nay-sayers.

Ishmael

If a doctor wants to deny service for gun ownership they are well within their rights to do so. This law won't change that.

 

[Peregrinator]

the physician discussing gun safety, an issue which most are singularly unqualified to discuss to begin with,

Ishmael

Please document this. I think it's an unsupported assertion on your part.

 

[Peregrinator]

If a doctor wants to deny service for gun ownership they are well within their rights to do so. This law won't change that.

No, you don't get it! Doctors should be subject to the intrusive arm of the all-powerful and all-wise government. At least when it comes to gun ownership, anyway.

 

[koalabear]

No, you don't get it! Doctors should be subject to the intrusive arm of the all-powerful and all-wise government. At least when it comes to gun ownership, anyway.

If a Dr. wants to deny you service because of your race............

 

[Peregrinator]

If a Dr. wants to deny you service because of your race............

Gun ownership is genetic?

 

[richard_daily]

Gun ownership is genetic?

No, just stupidity.

 

[koalabear]

Gun ownership is genetic?

Nice answer drixxxx

 

[IrezumiKiss]

No, just stupidity.

http://www.whoaorno.com/images/363.jpg

 

[Byron In Exile]

Gun ownership is genetic?

Is Socialism genetic?

 

[Ishmael]

Please document this. I think it's an unsupported assertion on your part.

Everytime I engage you in reasoned debate you manage to somehow through in some bullshit question.

Let's play this one straight, you questioned the statement----you prove me wrong.

I can assure you that EACH AND EVERY ONE of the NRA's safety instructors are certified firearm safety instructors. Now you document how many pediatricians are certified to teach firearm safety?

And Perg., "Firearms are bad, get rid of them." does not qualify that individual.

Ishmael

 

[fair_warning]

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I can assure you that EACH AND EVERY ONE of the NRA's safety instructors are certified firearm safety instructors.

Now you document how many pediatricians are certified to teach firearm safety?

I think this comparison is ludicrous. How many years of study and committment does it take to become a certified firearm safety instructor ?

I'd suggest most pediatricians would ace the requirements for firearms safety in their lunch break.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I think this comparison is ludicrous. How many years of study and committment does it take to become a certified firearm safety instructor ?

I'd suggest most pediatricians would ace the requirements for firearms safety in their lunch break.

"Could" and "did" mean different things.

That's why we have two different words for those distinct concepts.

 

[fair_warning]

Yeeees, and how does that wee English lesson alter my 'suggestion' ?

 

[Byron In Exile]

Yeeees, and how does that wee English lesson alter my 'suggestion' ?

It doesn't, if your suggestion is simply that they could pass requirements to become firearms safety instructors. That's irrelevant, anyway.

But if you're saying that they should, then you must have a screw loose somewhere. As I said before, I'll be damned if I'm paying some doctor $500 an hour for a firearm safety lecture.

 

[fair_warning]

Of course I wasn't suggesting pediatricans become firearms safety instructors.

I was suggesting that the 'nous' needed to become a pediatrican cannot be compared with that of a firearms safetly instructor.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Of course I wasn't suggesting pediatricans become firearms safety instructors.

I was suggesting that the 'nous' needed to become a pediatrican cannot be compared with that of a firearms safetly instructor.

But the comment you replied to said that the NRA's safety instructors are certified, and asked how many pediatricians are.

It didn't ask how many "could be" or "were intelligent enough to be."

So, again, how is your "suggestion" relevant?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

First of all sigh, the law didn't come about in a void. Some legislator didn't sit down with his/her staff and decide to go after the Pediatricians.

Secondly the NRA spends hundreds of thousands of dollars annually on gun safety education for children. The program has been in place since at least 1988. Any organization or school that requests the program gets it, for free. There is NO other organization that understands that gun safety is in their own best interests.

Thirdly, the issue is NOT the physician discussing gun safety, an issue which most are singularly unqualified to discuss to begin with, but the keeping of records and the denial of service. And that is specifically what the law addresses, not the histrionics of the nay-sayers.

Ishmael

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Everytime I engage you in reasoned debate you manage to somehow through in some bullshit question.

Let's play this one straight, you questioned the statement----you prove me wrong.

I can assure you that EACH AND EVERY ONE of the NRA's safety instructors are certified firearm safety instructors. Now you document how many pediatricians are certified to teach firearm safety?

And Perg., "Firearms are bad, get rid of them." does not qualify that individual.

Ishmael

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Flashback to the 1970's

A_J's best friend, Tony: But the proposed seat belt laws are just to protect the kids, they'll never tell us (adults) that we have to wear a seat belt; we have a duty to protect children.

Flashback to last week

A_J's good buddy, Perg: But aren't you glad they made seat belt use mandatory, look at the reduction in highway deaths...


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[richard_daily]

Everytime I engage you in reasoned debate you manage to somehow through in some bullshit question.

Let's play this one straight, you questioned the statement----you prove me wrong.

I can assure you that EACH AND EVERY ONE of the NRA's safety instructors are certified firearm safety instructors. Now you document how many pediatricians are certified to teach firearm safety?

And Perg., "Firearms are bad, get rid of them." does not qualify that individual.

Ishmael

So if one is not certified in a topic, then they should not be allowed to have an opinion on it? Or better yet, they should be legally banned from discussing it?

I didn't think I'd see you supporting a position like that, but hey, I guess there's no accounting for partisanship.