No rules for non human?

[lovecraft68]

See, this is where things go wrong...

This wasn't what was going on. And your response led to this sort of this:




And this is a conflict waiting to happen that need not happen.

And it doesn't need to.

The point Lovecraft was making was that other limitation are placed on Nonhuman. He only wished, so far as I can tell, to start a discussion on the matter, wanting others thoughts and using this story as a possible example.

If you'll notice, some of us posted early and were left out of the discussion later. That's because, through wording issues, tangents and word misinterpretations, the topic has gone awry, and the individuals who were left out later on were sticking to topic (or some variation thereof), or were sticking to an earlier mutation thereof.

No one needs to leave and post elsewhere unless they want to, and no one should be suggesting they do so based on this topic.

Q_C

Thank you for defending this thread's original intention it is appreciated. On what SR speaks of-besides hearing himself speak- I normally spout off about the non consent section. I have my reasons most personal and do tend to get carried away sometimes. This thread however was simple common sense; this story stays up sooner or later it leads to trouble from an outside source and we all suffer.

There are a lot of gray areas here. One as for non human if you are writing of Vampires and Werewolves and the such then death and violence will be par for the course. However death during sex is considered "snuff"

When a Vampire drains his victims blood and "turns" them they technically kill them. You have to be dead to be undead. All fine and dandy. However if a Vampire is performing a sexual act while doing so then the second the person dies you now have "snuff" The person died in a sexual act.

To me I don't give a rats ass. But death during sex has been kicked off of other categories as it should be but let me get this straight if I kill you with fangs it's different then slicing your throat?

To me the people reading it are not reading for that and may not even realize what it truly is so fine. Just like the bestiality it is what the reader is interpreting/ Same goes for under age. read Youbad boys stories. The characters are described as 19 or so but six paragraphs down you swear they are 14 and some readers are thrilled with that. Is he clever or sick? Take your pick.

Only point here is be consistent. Don't sweep this shit from other categories and let others have it. Bottom line is nonhuman is becoming quite the draw. If there was an issue in a poorly viewed category it would be dealt with quicker. This particular story sat there for 6 months.

Also understand on another note that SR is convinced I am a pedophile of some sort and needles me about wanting to write child pornography. Nothing will ever change his opinion on anything so don;t waste your breath. Thank you for the help however.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'll probably regret this, but...



Well I won't try. But I will wonder why you expend energy on something so useless. This site is NOT obligated to allow every single thing. And for the record, EroticStories.com is stricter than Lit, and doesn't allow violence and incest in addition to underage.

So POST SOMEWHERE ELSE. Like StoriesOnline.net, which has no restrictions. If one wants to post stories that don't meet Lit's criteria.



If you were so anxious to get rid of this story, why didn't YOU report it, as opposed to starting a forum thread? Laurel and Manu (and the others) can't check every thread on every forum. If you have a problem like that, then contact them directly.

Geez.

How do you know I did not? maybe I did not want to call out the people who run the site by saying "and they still wouldn't do anything" Others Luna/firebrain admitted to complaining about it back when it came out. People publicly called it out in the comments and I am sure more than the people I mentioned said something to the powers that be. 15 is extreme a red flag if there ever was one.

Stories on line is a cesspool because they allow everything. I chose lit out of all the sites I looked at because it has rules and not every sex crime under the sun running rampant in it. Despite what my personal troll says I have never had the desire to write underage pornography. The thing is if you write the type of material that never comes under fire you of course will have no issues with the fairness of any of the rules.

You write romantic Hockey love stories. I have never read any but am willing to bet that they are fairly vanilla in that there is nothing going on in there other than some hot steamy sex. You flirt with none of the boundaries set forth so therefore don't get why anyone else has issues with them.

 

[sr71plt]

Thank you for defending this thread's original intention it is appreciated. On what SR speaks of-besides hearing himself speak- I normally spout off about the non consent section. I have my reasons most personal and do tend to get carried away sometimes. This thread however was simple common sense; this story stays up sooner or later it leads to trouble from an outside source and we all suffer.

There are a lot of gray areas here. One as for non human if you are writing of Vampires and Werewolves and the such then death and violence will be par for the course. However death during sex is considered "snuff"

When a Vampire drains his victims blood and "turns" them they technically kill them. You have to be dead to be undead. All fine and dandy. However if a Vampire is performing a sexual act while doing so then the second the person dies you now have "snuff" The person died in a sexual act.

To me I don't give a rats ass. But death during sex has been kicked off of other categories as it should be but let me get this straight if I kill you with fangs it's different then slicing your throat?

To me the people reading it are not reading for that and may not even realize what it truly is so fine. Just like the bestiality it is what the reader is interpreting/ Same goes for under age. read Youbad boys stories. The characters are described as 19 or so but six paragraphs down you swear they are 14 and some readers are thrilled with that. Is he clever or sick? Take your pick.

Only point here is be consistent. Don't sweep this shit from other categories and let others have it. Bottom line is nonhuman is becoming quite the draw. If there was an issue in a poorly viewed category it would be dealt with quicker. This particular story sat there for 6 months.

Also understand on another note that SR is convinced I am a pedophile of some sort and needles me about wanting to write child pornography. Nothing will ever change his opinion on anything so don;t waste your breath. Thank you for the help however.

Stop pretending. This thread wasn't about the story you indexed. You were baiting me on one of my stories (actually a story series novel) in the OP. Even this post is all about one of my stories, not the story you indexed.

No I don't think you are a pedophile. Where did you get that impression? I think you are a tedious hypocrite who, judging from your posts, borders on the illiterate and more than borders on the verbose and the stalker.

 

[manyeyedhydra]

There are a lot of gray areas here. One as for non human if you are writing of Vampires and Werewolves and the such then death and violence will be par for the course. However death during sex is considered "snuff"

When a Vampire drains his victims blood and "turns" them they technically kill them. You have to be dead to be undead. All fine and dandy. However if a Vampire is performing a sexual act while doing so then the second the person dies you now have "snuff" The person died in a sexual act.

Vampires/Werewolves aren't real. That's a huge distinction.

A lot of my stories feature characters being killed during or through the act of sex with demonic creatures. They're supernatural horror stories. I wouldn't regard them as "snuff" as the scenarios are impossible to reenact in real life.

There's a big difference between this type of story and one which features a first person perspective describing in graphic detail the sexual pleasure obtained in throttling the life out of a pretty young co-ed.

Non-Human only breaks the rules if you're too pedantic, petty and bloody-minded to realise why the rules are there in the first place.

Yes, technically sex with a vampire could be construed as necrophilia as vampires are regarded as dead in most of the mythology, except they're walking around, talking and not behaving in the way that makes necrophilia so repulsive in the first place (the violation of a loved one's body after they've passed on)

Yes, technically sex with a magic talking animal could be construed as bestiality, except they're sentient, can talk, can give consent and are not exactly behaving as a poor dumb animal.

Less stupid lawyering and hair-splitting, and more common sense please!

 

[lovecraft68]

Stop pretending. This thread wasn't about the story you indexed. You were baiting me on one of my stories (actually a story series novel) in the OP. Even this post is all about one of my stories, not the story you indexed.

No I don't think you are a pedophile. Where did you get that impression? I think you are a tedious hypocrite who, judging from your post, borders on the illiterate and more than borders on the verbose and the stalker.

Baiting you? I referenced something you told me in a post. Did you or did you not write a story of a Vampire "fucking someone to death" Think you did. My point was not that your sick but that that story would never fly in your normal genre or any other for that matter. Whatever your intentions you pulled it off because no one "over there" cares.

This was about the Halloween Story I tossed the other shit in to make it look like I wasn't singling out one certain author.

As for baiting I don't bait. If I want to "call you out" I would I did it to JBJ one time to bust his balls even had his name in the thread. Funny because JB is supposed to be the troll here but I wonder.

I would not call you out because this is the goddamn internet. It's created a world of cyber talkers and cyber bullies who sit behind the keyboard and mouth off. Having real angst towards someone here or anywhere else simply isn't worth it. If you can;t face to face someone to discuss real differences then it's pointless.

Have to say however as I cruise around the threads that I take heart in seeing I am not the only one who finds you arrogant and a bit insufferable. I at least do not stoop to referring to people as illiterate or other insults. I think you should just put me on ignore. But then if you did you wouldn't be able to have these pleasant conversations with me. As for my little obsession with a certain category? All directed at one person and it isn't you. I make myself look like a fool and keep harping on that because that person knows who they are and it's a fun little game no one else has to play in.

Think on that. many of my posts are either joking around or I will attempt to be helpful if I can be. Only on certain things do I get "irrational" and that's my business. One last thing; just so you know I do occasionally listen I have been spacing in my posts so you can pick them apart better.

 

[sr71plt]

I'll just second manyeyedhydra's and penn lady's posts to you.

 

[LunaEroticaMystica]

Manyeyedhydra, aren't real? Says who!?

 

[PennLady]

Lovecraft68 wrote:

As far as the non human category picking up a lot of votes and viewers dark is absolutely right. However,I believe it is because people who have more outre taste's shall we say are picking up on the fact that this topic seems to be able to get away with anything.

"mythical creatures" is poorly masked bestiality. Due to the subject matter there is a lot of death in that section including during sex. If I am not mistaken SRPilot once told me he wrote a vampire GM story where the guy was "fucked to death".

That is technically snuff and had it been two humans would not have even flown in non consent or the hardest core BDSM stories. That bad boy would have been flagged.

So at least part of the original theme of the thread was calling out the nonhuman category on various counts, and then you moved on to the other story with the underage sex, which struck me as the real reason.

Yes, I write hockey romances. I've also written five non-human stories, four of which are novel length and e-published, and none of which involve things you accuse the genre of containing. (Also, for the record, an Erotic Coupling story, a Group Sex story, and an SF/F.) Now, do some nonhuman stories contain things you don't like? Undoubtedly. So what? I don't like incest -- which, I repeat, IS ILLEGAL -- but I'm not going to tell you stop writing it. I just won't read it.

And I admit i'm losing track of things, but I found it amusing that on a thread that encompasses an anti-underage sex rant, if only b/c it's against the rules, someone then provides advice for getting around said rule.

Nice insult to SOL. A cesspool, eh? So, you can write about an illegal activity (and Lit can have a fetish category with some stuff I find gross, although I don't think most of it's illegal), and that's not a cesspool? I debated for a while before posting at SOL, but I did on a friend's recommendation, and my experience has been nothing but positive.

If we all decided not to publish somewhere b/c we didn't like what ELSE was published there, no one would post anywhere except on their own sites. I mean, you post here, lc68, but you don't like non-con.

Oh, and back to other stuff -- No, I don't challenge boundaries or whatever. I don't want to. I don't feel like it. I like writing stories about people and their relationships and having fun doing it, but it doesn't mean I can't or don't understand why people have issues with other categories. Just comes back to: if you don't like it, complain. If you complain and it changes, good for you. If it doesn't, make your choice to stay or leave.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I want to whine about the fact that a poster with the promising handle of "Lovecraft#" turns out to be so whiny.