Not Forced

[trs]

I was not forced to choose but I did anyway. I chose to follow Jesus Christ. I feel bad for those on here that have portrayed Jesus as a heartless judge that hates all GLBT type folks. I feel bad for those that believe that nonsense. Instead I found a Lord that Loves me and even died for me while I was yet in my sins. Good luck all of you and I hope that you can find what means most to you in your life.

 

[wooger]

You aren't well are you?

 

[Stella_Omega]

I feel bad for those on here that have portrayed Jesus as a heartless judge that hates all GLBT type folks.

Those people are called "Christians."

And they aren't on here, they are sitting in their churches preaching fire and brimstone and telling parents to disown their children.

They are passing the plate and sending money to other states to prevent gay folk from marrying whom they love.

Jesus isn't the heartless judge, honey; Human beings are. They use him as their excuse.

 

[scriptordelecto]

Those people are called "Christians."

And they aren't on here, they are sitting in their churches preaching fire and brimstone and telling parents to disown their children.

They are passing the plate and sending money to other states to prevent gay folk from marrying whom they love.

Jesus isn't the heartless judge, honey; Human beings are. They use him as their excuse.

Preach it sister Stella!

 

[Noira]

Those people are called "Christians."

And they aren't on here, they are sitting in their churches preaching fire and brimstone and telling parents to disown their children.

Hi! I'm here as a reminder that not everyone who believes in a higher power is a psychopath with a callus disregard for the love that's preached to us by the God we claim to serve. Some of us are even here, goofing off with fellow deviants and indulging in our natural carnal nature.

Stella is right. Jesus is not the heartless judge. It's those who claim to act in his name. And I would not go so far as to call them Christians because Christian meant "Christ-like" when the word was first introduced and they are by no means like him in behavior and acceptance, because this is a man who only grew angry at hypocrisy and misuse of the church. Is that telling? I believe it is.

Not all of us are like that and every day I tear at my hair in frustration, in the deepest wishes that they would see the damage they do to themselves and to others. Stella's post is proof of the damage they've done: they're seen only as heartless people who condemn those not like them from their manmade glory seats in church. Who can respect people like that? "Christ-like"? Hardly. If people are trying to be Christ-like, I'm looking for that "love sinners, do good to those who hate you, forgive your brother" etc... not the self-righteous rage brought on by a belief in self!

It is possible, with some difficulty, to reconcile what it does to yourself to be both Christian and anything but the programmed sexuality which comes from an old culture and dare I say it, NOT FROM GOD. By no means do you have to chose, trs, and if Literotica is not the place for you I'd encourage you to drop by GCN... gaychristian.net... where you will find people with a similar challenge of faith who can help you through this difficult time of understanding: it's not your fault, it's not God's fault, it's no one's fault... and that there is love and acceptance not only from God but from people around you as well. It's good to have that support network.

I can only assume that because you're posting in here, you are GLBT, and it's a great resource site for those with the challenge of being both religious and GLBT.

 

[Stella_Omega]

"love sinners, do good to those who hate you, forgive your brother"

Um, I take exception to the "Love sinners" bit in this context. Being gay is not a sin in the first place. Expressing one's gayness is not a sin. Fucking a member of the same sex is not a sinful act.

it's not your fault, it's not God's fault, it's no one's fault

What is this "Fault" stuff, please? There is no "fault" in being gay.

let's get this clear and stop letting the ignorant and self-righteous define the language we use.

 

[Noira]

Um, I take exception to the "Love sinners" bit in this context. Being gay is not a sin in the first place. Expressing one's gayness is not a sin. Fucking a member of the same sex is not a sinful act.

Ah, sorry, I didn't mean it in that context. I think it's pretty obvious that I don't think it's sinful or I wouldn't be here and pretty open about the fact that I love women. Come on, look at my trend of posts. In between the women, sex, kink and porn, there's a dearth of posts that say "I think what I'm doing is sinful and wrong".

I'm using that mangled quote in the context that the Christ these Christians are claiming to be like was, well, pretty loving of all and sundry regardless of their faults, not to project "sin" upon anyone. No one's perfect. My point is that anyone claiming to be "Christ-like" had better be pretty accepting of everyone, regardless of what they perceive as people's faults and sins, or they're failing miserably at it. I wouldn't call those asshats who scream "GOD HATES FAGS" Christians. Not even close.

My point when I said that it's no one's fault that anyone is gay, is related to a stupid argument a lot of religious gay-haters pull out, which probably had something to do with the OP's decision... "God made me/you gay to test me/you!" or, of course, "it's a choice and I/you can chose to not be this way!" which is also bullshit. The OP doesn't need to go "I CHOSE YOU, RELIGION" and shun all else.

These were my points, to hopefully make it concise and clear:

1- Not all Christians are assholes who hate everyone.
2- There is nothing wrong with being gay.
3- There isn't a "choice" that the OP has to make.
4- I think women are sexy.
5- I'd also like to add that when I clicked on this thread initially I was hoping it was about kinky play, and I am disappointed that it's a religion debate. D:

Are we on the same page now? I hope so, because I hate getting into debates (I've had too many on this topic with "Christians"), and I do know you hate all religion with a passion, and I was planning on commissioning you again so I'd like you to hold off on hoping I die horribly with all the other heartless Christians until after that.

 

[Kitkat103]

These are the types of people that get arrested for soliciting sex in a public bath while their spouse and kids are in the terminal waiting.

I was not forced to choose but I did anyway. I chose to follow Jesus Christ. I feel bad for those on here that have portrayed Jesus as a heartless judge that hates all GLBT type folks. I feel bad for those that believe that nonsense. Instead I found a Lord that Loves me and even died for me while I was yet in my sins. Good luck all of you and I hope that you can find what means most to you in your life.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Ted Haggard and George Rekers were both good, god fearing Christians too.

 

[Tsoert]

The Power Rangers - Died aged 7 and a half
The Tooth fairy - died aged 9 and 2 months
Santa Claus - Died Christmas 1997
The Messiah - Died aged 13
God - Died aged 16 and a bit

Goodbye imaginary friends. I'm sorry but I no longer need you now so live long in the void and have fun

*rolls eyes*

 

[fingermagic]

I was not forced to choose but I did anyway. I chose to follow Jesus Christ. I feel bad for those on here that have portrayed Jesus as a heartless judge that hates all GLBT type folks. I feel bad for those that believe that nonsense. Instead I found a Lord that Loves me and even died for me while I was yet in my sins. Good luck all of you and I hope that you can find what means most to you in your life.

GOD made me the way I am so if I am good enough for HIM, Jesus won't mind a bit I am sure.

 

[Noira]

Ted Haggard and George Rekers were both good, god fearing Christians too.

Oh oh oh! An excuse to link to this video!

 

[Stella_Omega]

OP claimed that GLBT blame Christ for the evils of Christian religious intolerance;

I feel bad for those on here that have portrayed Jesus as a heartless judge that hates all GLBT type folks.

I am sure a few GLBT folk do blame Christ. But you have to admit that there's a huge group of people who use Christ as an excuse for their evil, every Sunday.

You are quite right, Noira, not every Christian is so heartless and evil. I have proof of that-- in you, and so many others.

But honestly, I can't call you Christians. You are too rare in Christianity.

 

[Noira]

I am sure a few GLBT folk do blame Christ. But you have to admit that there's a huge group of people who use Christ as an excuse for their evil, every Sunday.

You are quite right, Noira, not every Christian is so heartless and evil. I have proof of that-- in you, and so many others.

But honestly, I can't call you Christians. You are too rare in Christianity.

Hah. Okay, I'll give you that one, you're right that there are a lot of "Christians" who use their faith as an excuse... I'll be honest, I don't go to church a lot anymore because the lack of love was getting to me. It's going to take a long time to undo the damage done by a group of raging conservatives. But, I've met a LOT of people who, when I've talked about my "struggles" (I'm talking about a younger me now... I've reconciled me with me, and come to the conclusion that to be me I need to accept who and what I love) informed me that, and I quote, "God is testing you!"

That's where my thing about blaming God stems from. Because this is what I've been told. Blame God, he's just testing you!

I call myself a Christian not because I'm part of a church that happens to have that denominational label, but because the word to me means "like Christ" and I do my best to reflect that in my life: a guy who was good to everyone, gave to the poor and healed the sick and well, you know. Wasn't an asshole. I try to be like that.

It means a lot to be considered okay coming from you. It's SAD (because I wish I could kick every asshole using Jesus as an excuse in the face) but good that at least I'm recognized as not being a doucheburger with a side of hymns, would you like a sermon with that...? Thankfully, I know I'm not the only one! I've converted some Christians to my non-homophobic ways and I hope to keep up the good work.

 

[Stella_Omega]

But, I've met a LOT of people who, when I've talked about my "struggles" (I'm talking about a younger me now... I've reconciled me with me, and come to the conclusion that to be me I need to accept who and what I love) informed me that, and I quote, "God is testing you!"

GLBT folk told you that? I mean I totally believe you if you say so.

I know that's a common line amongst many "tolerant" Xtians.

I've converted some Christians to my non-homophobic ways and I hope to keep up the good work.

one at a time... step by step... I thank you.

 

[Noira]

GLBT folk told you that? I mean I totally believe you if you say so.

Ew, no. "Xtian" folk told me that. I'm talking like, back when I was 14 here. I used to be a severe homophobe, I would've NEVER socialized with someone GLBT in case their gayness rubbed off on me or I got raped or something. I've come a long way since I was 14. I have a memory burnt into my mind of me writing "I mean, it's one thing writing about relationships, but homosexuality is a line I will never cross." Great word, incidentally. I have to steal it. What a wonderful way of describing those douchebags who douche things up in the name of Christ!

Mostly, from GLBT people, I get "why the hell are you a Christian?" and "boobgrope ".

I learned the hard way that I would find more love and acceptance among the 'deviants' than those who live "according to the will of God."

 

[Frothydog]

I believe in God, and I believe He came to Earth as a man. I hesitate to call myself a Christian, though, because of all the hypocritical, self-serving, judgmental fuckery that so many Christians seem to engage in.

Jesus was asked, "Rabbi, what are the most important commandments?"
And he replied, "To love each other as you love yourselves, and to love God above all else."

I struggle at times with loving God above all else, but the loving others as I love myself thing? Pshh. I love just about everybody.

As far as being GLBT? How can love be wrong? Fuck those fag-hating fucks.

There is somebody (I forget who) on the GB who has a great quote from Gandhi in their sig line. Something along the lines of (and I paraphrase here), "I like your Christ. I do not like Christians, however. They are not very much like your Christ."

 

[Louise_Loves]

I've left behind the Bible teaching of my father and returned to the spiritual path of my grandmother. My people have always accepted the two-spirited. It was used as an excuse to oppress us because we were so uncivilized that women went to war and men raised children. Until the Spanish came, our women were free to marry and unmarry as they chose, because family was a matriarchal unit.

I am a woman, and I'm fairly feminine. But I am sexually dominant, aggressive, and controlling. I don't even get wet with a man, much less enjoy anything that comes after (and it surely isn't me that comes after). But a woman's body turns me to a raging flood of flaming goo.

I didn't choose to love women. But for a while, I chose to pretend that I didn't. I'm done with pretending, and have been for nearly two decades. This is the way I am. This is the way the Spirit saw fit to breath life into me, and it's the way I will be until my skin returns to the clay and ash. Whatever one chooses to call God, if he/she/it/they can't accept me as I was made, if they hate me because I choose to embrace love and affection in a world filled with hate and strife - the fuck them and cast them into the pit. They aren't worth respect, much less worship.

As for the Christian God, I do not think he made mankind in his image. I believe they made him in their own image. In doing so, they glorified the worst part of humanity and breathed into it the stuff of divinity. And the world has suffered for it ever since.