Guy who raped/tortured woman had Gor books

[Etoile]

Well isn't this nice. A fine example of the kink community.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Police-66-year-old-man-tortured-raped-woman-1344345.php

 

[TypicalDeviant]

I'm sure the population will react to this in a rational and reasonable manner, understanding that the actions of one do not necessarily represent those of an entire group.

Right?

 

[midwestyankee]

I'm sure the population will react to this in a rational and reasonable manner, understanding that the actions of one do not necessarily represent those of an entire group.

Right?

Of course. And when you get your passport and can travel from Fredonia, let us know.

 

[Chiara_searches]

I'm sure the population will react to this in a rational and reasonable manner, understanding that the actions of one do not necessarily represent those of an entire group.

Right?

One would hope. It felt like the officer making the announcement actually tried to recognize that things went beyond the negotiated limits, using terminology I've seen here and elsewhere about the BDSM community. Maybe a few rational vanilla minds out there will hear that comment and realize there are respectful people in the group.

Well, one can hope. Right?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Right.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Here's an update;
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Seattle-police-looking-for-other-torture-victims-1346175.php

They seem very clear that this is NOT normal BDSM practice.

 

[ultramarineblue]

People don't like things they don't or won't understand. There will always be people that take anything to the extreme.

 

[lookingfor_ruth]

( I hope you don't mind this post - no offense meant )

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[ImOnIt]

I am offended but only in the title so maybe you won't see it

Why does having Al Gore books make this so bad?

It's just so inconvenient.

 

[vintage63]

It's just so inconvenient.

LOLOLOL

 

[graceanne]

Well isn't this nice. A fine example of the kink community.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Police-66-year-old-man-tortured-raped-woman-1344345.php

There will always be freaks who use the basic BDSM ideas to rationalize what they do. And there will always be people who blame it on the BDSM, and not on the psycho.

 

[Etoile]

It's like the judgment in favor of Delia Day. The jury found she killed her husband in self-defense. After all, he physically abused her, forced her to get tattooed, clean the floor with a toothbrush, and do all kinds of horrible sexually degrading things. Any woman subjected to those conditions would respond by killing him the first chance she got. Right?

 

[graceanne]

It's like the judgment in favor of Delia Day. The jury found she killed her husband in self-defense. After all, he physically abused her, forced her to get tattooed, clean the floor with a toothbrush, and do all kinds of horrible sexually degrading things. Any woman subjected to those conditions would respond by killing him the first chance she got. Right?

OMG He did? Oh, the perversion.

Seriously, though, while that was a messed up situation, all of us in this 'lifestyle' know that there are risks. For pyl's it's the risk of ending up with an abusive PYL or a psycho killer who's going to bury us in his/her back yard and with PYL's there is always the chance that they'll get a dishonest pyl who will either get them jailed or use their kink as an excuse for murder. Heck, just getting in a relationship can be dangerous these days. My roommate has a friend who's son almost went to jail for abusing his ex-wife. His wife had gotten drunk and got in a bar fight with another woman, but since she wants custody of their son she told the police he beat her up. (His family found the bartender who broke up the fight and the other woman in the fight to testify that that's how she'd gotten beat up.)

 

[Etoile]

OMG He did? Oh, the perversion.

Seriously, though, while that was a messed up situation, all of us in this 'lifestyle' know that there are risks. For pyl's it's the risk of ending up with an abusive PYL or a psycho killer who's going to bury us in his/her back yard and with PYL's there is always the chance that they'll get a dishonest pyl who will either get them jailed or use their kink as an excuse for murder. Heck, just getting in a relationship can be dangerous these days. My roommate has a friend who's son almost went to jail for abusing his ex-wife. His wife had gotten drunk and got in a bar fight with another woman, but since she wants custody of their son she told the police he beat her up. (His family found the bartender who broke up the fight and the other woman in the fight to testify that that's how she'd gotten beat up.)

Oh absolutely. I completely agree. A lot of the time it boils down to he-said, she-said. And juries are always more likely to find in favor of the woman and/or the submissive partner. Good for the guy's family for managing to prove that the woman was full of shit.

I should note that the OP obviously isn't about a relationship, in fact I think I picked up that the victim is a hooker. (She was "working" a road means hooker, right?) I just thought it was lurvely for the guy to have Gor books in his house. ZOMG BDSM EVIL

 

[Stella_Omega]

Oh absolutely. I completely agree. A lot of the time it boils down to he-said, she-said. And juries are always more likely to find in favor of the woman and/or the submissive partner. Good for the guy's family for managing to prove that the woman was full of shit.

I should note that the OP obviously isn't about a relationship, in fact I think I picked up that the victim is a hooker. (She was "working" a road means hooker, right?) I just thought it was lurvely for the guy to have Gor books in his house. ZOMG BDSM EVIL

The guy acted out a whole bunch of BDSM games that weren't written about in Gor. Having the books was the least of it.

 

[Etoile]

The guy acted out a whole bunch of BDSM games that weren't written about in Gor. Having the books was the least of it.

I thought the article said they found something that was reminiscent of one of the books?

A friend of mine says "I bet there's a run on Gor books now that the Seattle PD is endorsing them!"

 

[Stella_Omega]

I thought the article said they found something that was reminiscent of one of the books?

A friend of mine says "I bet there's a run on Gor books now that the Seattle PD is endorsing them!"

As far as I can think of, there are only a few objects would be "reminiscent of Gor" like a particular style of collar or that little wrap-and-tie playsuit thingie the girls wear-- and maybe some kind of scepter that the Masters tote around with them. Pretty innocuous stuff compared to this;

Police say the man gave her so many electric shocks she could no longer scream. She told a detective she was put naked on a table bolted to a floor and had a locked chain around her neck. The man allegedly plucked her hairs, told her he was her master, pumped liquid into her bladder, and beat her with a paddle, according to court documents...


...The victim told officers that when Hauff was driving her back he explained he was a follower of the "Gor" novels, including some volumes that describe sadomasochistic acts involving the humiliation of women.

Hauff allegedly told her about Gorean slave girls before dropping the 24-year-old woman off on Rainier Avenue South.

Sounds like he had his own personal set of sadistic preferences. I don't remember any Gorean master pumping liquid into his slavegirl's bladder, for crissake.

 

[midwestyankee]

As far as I can think of, there are only a few objects would be "reminiscent of Gor" like a particular style of collar or that little wrap-and-tie playsuit thingie the girls wear-- and maybe some kind of scepter that the Masters tote around with them. Pretty innocuous stuff compared to this; Sounds like he had his own personal set of sadistic preferences. I don't remember any Gorean master pumping liquid into his slavegirl's bladder, for crissake.

Exactly. Sounds like his is the kind of crazy that could have found inspiration for rape in the tax code or the fine print in an insurance bill.

 

[graceanne]

Oh absolutely. I completely agree. A lot of the time it boils down to he-said, she-said. And juries are always more likely to find in favor of the woman and/or the submissive partner. Good for the guy's family for managing to prove that the woman was full of shit.

Yeah, well it's not like his lawyer was doing shit.

 

[graceanne]

Sounds like he had his own personal set of sadistic preferences. I don't remember any Gorean master pumping liquid into his slavegirl's bladder, for crissake.

Yeah, seriously. The question, then, would be why it's being reported that it's a gor thing, when it was obviously a sadism thing? Still, doesn't surprise me, because whenever someone ties down someone to torture them they blame it on bdsm. Why not blame this on gor because he had some gor books in his house?

 

[midwestyankee]

Yeah, seriously. The question, then, would be why it's being reported that it's a gor thing, when it was obviously a sadism thing? Still, doesn't surprise me, because whenever someone ties down someone to torture them they blame it on bdsm. Why not blame this on gor because he had some gor books in his house?

I think it's because we want easy explanations of things that go badly wrong. We don't want to believe that people are evil, so we draw links from outside influences when someone does something evil and that, somehow, makes it easier to accept. That the police seized on this bit of evidence to provide an explanation for the man's behavior is a reflection of this tendency to seek easy explanations.

 

[graceanne]

I think it's because we want easy explanations of things that go badly wrong. We don't want to believe that people are evil, so we draw links from outside influences when someone does something evil and that, somehow, makes it easier to accept. That the police seized on this bit of evidence to provide an explanation for the man's behavior is a reflection of this tendency to seek easy explanations.

Yeah, that makes sense, I guess. It's still annoying. lol

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yeah, seriously. The question, then, would be why it's being reported that it's a gor thing, when it was obviously a sadism thing? Still, doesn't surprise me, because whenever someone ties down someone to torture them they blame it on bdsm. Why not blame this on gor because he had some gor books in his house?

Because he talked a whole lot about Gor to her as he was driving her back to her pickup point.

 

[Felix_Jones]

I call shenanigans. He was probably reading Ayn Rand.

 

[Stella_Omega]

ahhh... I see.

he realized he was caught and was trying to minimize his actions. "see, it wasn't so bad/ freakish... all the BDSM community does this."

Jackass.

If she hadn't sent that pic, it sounds like she might have been lucky to be buried in his yard the next day, as opposed to a few months later.

He isn't a member of the BDSM community. There are always outriders, always people who have invented their own game.