What's your line in the sand?

[zipman]

Judging from these three pages, your answer is 'no'.

Sorry.

LOL, wow, a blast from the past! How have you been?

 

[zipman]

The USA is a socially conservative nation.

This is a truth that the liberals on the east coast and west coast have a problem accepting.

You've all seen the maps...most Americans are conservatives.

Pointing out outlandish examples of political hyperbole as a way to negate all conservative values doesn't strike me as a very "liberal" way of dealing with the truth of America's Values System.

1) I get that I live in a conservative nation, but thanks for pointing it out for me.

2) What in the world makes you think I'm trying to negate all conservative values by addressing a completely different issue, that of blatant lying.

Unless you feel that lying is conservative value which I would disagree with.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Kyl said: "You don't have to go to Planned Parenthood to get your cholesterol or your blood pressure checked. If you want an abortion, you go to Planned Parenthood. That's well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does."

The entire mainstream media immediately rose in angry denunciation of Kyl -- based on Planned Parenthood's claim that abortion constitutes less than 3 percent of the services it provides.

Apparently, that depends on the meaning of "services it provides." If taking 30 seconds to write a prescription for birth control pills is considered the equivalent of a two-hour, multiple-visit $450 abortion, then perhaps abortion does constitute only 3 percent of Planned Parenthood's work.

But according to Planned Parenthood itself, when it comes to services for pregnant women, abortion constituted 97.6 percent of the services Planned Parenthood provided in 2009. Only 2.4 percent of the organization's services for pregnant women involved prenatal care or adoption referrals.

 

[redheadedtxn]

Oh gee - saw Kib's first

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Kyl said: "You don't have to go to Planned Parenthood to get your cholesterol or your blood pressure checked. If you want an abortion, you go to Planned Parenthood. That's well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does."

The entire mainstream media immediately rose in angry denunciation of Kyl -- based on Planned Parenthood's claim that abortion constitutes less than 3 percent of the services it provides.

Apparently, that depends on the meaning of "services it provides." If taking 30 seconds to write a prescription for birth control pills is considered the equivalent of a two-hour, multiple-visit $450 abortion, then perhaps abortion does constitute only 3 percent of Planned Parenthood's work.

But according to Planned Parenthood itself, when it comes to services for pregnant women, abortion constituted 97.6 percent of the services Planned Parenthood provided in 2009. Only 2.4 percent of the organization's services for pregnant women involved prenatal care or adoption referrals.

Cite? Attribution? Link?

I sure would hate to have to take a snippet from a greater whole out context and all that.

 

[zipman]

Kyl said: "You don't have to go to Planned Parenthood to get your cholesterol or your blood pressure checked. If you want an abortion, you go to Planned Parenthood. That's well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does."

The entire mainstream media immediately rose in angry denunciation of Kyl -- based on Planned Parenthood's claim that abortion constitutes less than 3 percent of the services it provides.

Apparently, that depends on the meaning of "services it provides." If taking 30 seconds to write a prescription for birth control pills is considered the equivalent of a two-hour, multiple-visit $450 abortion, then perhaps abortion does constitute only 3 percent of Planned Parenthood's work.

But according to Planned Parenthood itself, when it comes to services for pregnant women, abortion constituted 97.6 percent of the services Planned Parenthood provided in 2009. Only 2.4 percent of the organization's services for pregnant women involved prenatal care or adoption referrals.

Total and complete bullshit. It was 3% according to Planned Parenthood.

Even Kyl's office said it wasn't factual. But keep repeating it as if it were true if it makes you feel better.

 

[unregistered]

 

[zipman]

Kyl may have been full of shit Zip, but the 3% is phony as well. I challenge you to go here:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_Services.pdf

and check out how they come up with the 3%. They lump the 300,000 plus abortion procedures in with what they call "Medical Services." Go to the "Affiliate Medical Services Summary" and notice the total of medical services, some 11,383,900, includes every test performed, every time they passed out a condom for Christ's sake. they then divide the 11,383,900 by the 332,278 abortions and get 2.9%. Let's not even mention the laughable fact that an abortion patient may be the subject of several of these procedures and tests during the course of their abortion procedure.

Another thing, why would 1,158,924 women go to Planned Parenthood for a pregnancy test when they can get the tests at the nearest drug store, to do at home, for next to nothing. This tells me that a lot more women actually go to Planned Parenthood with the intention of getting an abortion if needed, which adds more to the importance of the abortion service than the 3% might indicate at first glance.

Using the allocations of dollars spent, or man hours devoted to patient care, would likely put abortion procedure way above 3 percent.

Kyl was full of shit and he knew it and said it anyway. That's the point.

It's inexcusable that any elected official blatantly lies about facts like that.

 

[eyer]

There's a big difference between being loose with the facts (which is too strong a term for discussing the concept of American democracy) and blatantly lying or don't you realize that?

So...

...which one - loose with the facts or blatantly lying - are you also championing?

Why don't you start by schooling us on this "concept of American democracy" that you pull out of your dog butt...

 

[zipman]

So...

...which one - loose with the facts or blatantly lying - are you also championing?

Why don't you start by schooling us on this "concept of American democracy" that you pull out of your dog butt...

Neither. I guess you're having some reading comprehension issues today.

 

[unregistered]

 

[IrezumiKiss]

You people are sooooooooo cute the way you keep deflecting and spinning around your blatant fail.

 

[eyer]

Neither. I guess you're having some reading comprehension issues today.

You guess a lot.

Still waiting for your "fact(s)" re: your "concept of American democracy"...

...unless you're claiming the same disingenuous "fact-based debate" cover your chosen bearer did, too.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

You people are sooooooooo cute the way you keep deflecting and spinning around your blatant fail.

Like I said...

 

[zipman]

You guess a lot.

Still waiting for your "fact(s)" re: your "concept of American democracy"...

...unless you're claiming the same disingenuous "fact-based debate" cover your chosen bearer did, too.

As usual, you're being confrontational without actually saying anything.

If you're trying to compare the authors (not mine) use of democracy with the blatant lies of Kyl, you're failing miserably.

 

[eyer]

As usual, you're being confrontational without actually saying anything.

If you're trying to compare the authors (not mine) use of democracy with the blatant lies of Kyl, you're failing miserably.

"failing" with you...

...is WINNING in my world, mutt.

Now: totally back-off your "concept of American democracy" crap...

...and I'll throw you a bone.

 

[zipman]

"failing" with you...

...is WINNING in my world, mutt.

Now: totally back-off your "concept of American democracy" crap...

...and I'll throw you a bone.

LOL, yeah, you're winning like Charlie Sheen.

Btw, haven't you ever heard of a representative democracy?

 

[unregistered]

 

[bronzeage]

How long were you hospitalized when you heard about Bill Clinton lying to a grand jury and a federal judge?

A man who will lie to his wife will certainly lie to a judge.

A man who will lie when he knows it's being video recorded will lie to anyone and not know the difference.

 

[zipman]

How long were you hospitalized when you heard about Bill Clinton lying to a grand jury and a federal judge?

I wasn't hospitalized at all. Of course, I never suggested anyone else should over Kyl's remarks.

I did and continue to denounce him for lying to a grand jury without making any excuses for his behavior.

You should try it some time.

 

[eyer]

Btw, haven't you ever heard of a representative democracy?

Yeah...

...I have.

Sad, tho, that those who pull it out of their buttz in lame self-defense don't even realize there are no "representatives" in a "democracy".

Try to lift that hind leg up a little higher next time...

 

[Peregrinator]

Holy shit. I haven't seen so much deflection and squirming in quite a while.

And "Clinton was worse?" Really? Again? I thought that went away with the Bush presidency.

 

[eyer]

I thought...

You may want to start investigating your problem at that point...

 

[Peregrinator]

You may want to start investigating your problem at that point...

You might want to check to see if the phrase "that figment ferments from..." indicates familiarity with the language. Language is, after all, essential for thought.

 

[richard_daily]

You people are sooooooooo cute the way you keep deflecting and spinning around your blatant fail.

They're not just spinning.. They're championing it...