OH No! We've been FRACKED!

[JackLuis]

Gas from ‘fracking’ could be twice as bad as coal for climate: study

Shale gas, produced by "hydraulic fracturing" or "fracking," could create as much as twice the greenhouse gasses as coal, according to a study soon to be published by Cornell University professors.

Sorry to fool you.

Pot bunny of a Cornell Prof running around with his hair on fire about the environment and a down to earth Appalachian girl, who knows how to divert his energy?

 

[Stella_Omega]

You've got one detail wrong-- it isn't his hair that's on fire, it's the water that comes out of her kitchen taps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01EK76Sy4A

 

[Boxlicker101]

I remember reading some time ago that the main cause of air pollution is cows farting in the western US.

 

[vixenfurry]

I remember reading some time ago that the main cause of air pollution is cows farting in the western US.

actually it doesn't help with the environment because they release methane which isn't good for the environment at all.

 

[sr71plt]

I remember reading some time ago that the main cause of air pollution is cows farting in the western US.

It's good to know that cows don't fart in the eastern U.S.

 

[Boxlicker101]

It's good to know that cows don't fart in the eastern U.S.

They do, but there aren't as many of them. Ten million cows will fart twice as much as five million cows, making them a more major cause of air pollution.

 

[vixenfurry]

It's good to know that cows don't fart in the eastern U.S.

lol. and yet, almost everyone wants to come to california. while most of the people in california want out. lol

 

[JackLuis]

You could pay it either way, Green or Red, but it's only a way to get a uptight Assistant Professor worried about his funding, with a Penn St. girl in a valley, cut off by a flash food.
His cellphone not working and she convinces him to let go.
and join the earth mother.

 

[TxRad]

I remember reading some time ago that the main cause of air pollution is cows farting in the western US.

Not just cow farts but also deer, elk and hogs. Those three are at all time record numbers even when compared to the time before Columbus. Their numbers are hundreds if not thousands of times higher.

Of course, the Buffalo are greatly reduced so it may even out.

 

[TxRad]

Quote:
Gas from ‘fracking’ could be twice as bad as coal for climate: study

Quote:
Shale gas, produced by "hydraulic fracturing" or "fracking," could create as much as twice the greenhouse gasses as coal, according to a study soon to be published by Cornell University professors.

Sorry to fool you.


I'd love to see where you got these Quotes and who sponsored the studies.

Since most of these frac projects are deep under ground and sealed because of the high pressures involved, the natural gas doesn't escape, it is captured for sale. Otherwise why do it. As for the gas being different from regular natural gas, there is little to no difference. The difference is in the permeability of the formation.

Yes these frac's are done with CO2 and yes, some of the CO2 is released but the majority of it is reclaimed or scrubbed out at the first part of production because the gas companies don't want it in their pipelines. The pressure generated by the CO2 is in the multi millions of pounds but the volume is fairly small.

This sounds like something the coal companies would put out as propaganda.

 

[trysail]

A perfect example of an article employed to fill the space between advertisements. The uncritical article features dubious data from a doubtful source. In other words— nonsense.

[ Emphasis supplied ]

...Between 0.6% and 3.2% of the life-time production of gas from wells is emitted as methane during the flow-back period (Table 1)... However, we note that the data used in Table 1 are not well documented, with many values based on PowerPoint slides from EPA-sponsored workshops...
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/0...a-38125.html?smid=tw-nytenvironment&seid=auto

 

[TxRad]

A perfect example of an article employed to fill the space between advertisements. The uncritical article features dubious data from a doubtful source. In other words— nonsense.


Quote:
[ Emphasis supplied ]

...Between 0.6% and 3.2% of the life-time production of gas from wells is emitted as methane during the flow-back period (Table 1)... However, we note that the data used in Table 1 are not well documented, with many values based on PowerPoint slides from EPA-sponsored workshops...
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/04...ment&seid=auto

This may have been a fact 50 years ago but flowback today accounts for less than one tenth of a percent of the old time values. Back then flow rates of 1 to 2.5 million cubic feet a day were normal. Now that figure has the potential to be ten to even twenty times that. Why waste so much gas on flowback. That's why they spend the money on scubbing units. It takes out the CO2 and other contaminants.

The next time you drive by a producing well, pull over and look at all the equipment needed to clean up the gas and oil before it hits the tank or pipeline.

 

[trysail]

This may have been a fact 50 years ago but flowback today accounts for less than one tenth of a percent of the old time values. Back then flow rates of 1 to 2.5 million cubic feet a day were normal. Now that figure has the potential to be ten to even twenty times that. Why waste so much gas on flowback. That's why they spend the money on scubbing units. It takes out the CO2 and other contaminants.

The next time you drive by a producing well, pull over and look at all the equipment needed to clean up the gas and oil before it hits the tank or pipeline.

The preposterously prejudiced language employed in the original article was plainly evident the minute I read this:

...In hydraulic fracturing, drillers inject chemical-laced water...​

Chemical-laced? Chemical-laced? JesusHfuckingchrist- talk about the intentional use of loaded words! Anybody who knows anything about the fraccing process knows perfectly well that the water is hardly "chemical-laced." That's just pure horseshit scare tactics. It's primarily proppants that make fraccing work.


When you read the paper ( http://thehill.com/images/stories/blogs/energy/howarth.pdf ), you can't help but realize that the authors piled so many assumptions on top of one another that the whole thing can only charitably be called a house of cards. I'm not sure I'd even go so far as to dignify the data or the conclusion with the label "guesswork."


This is precisely the kind of crap that one comes to expect from the pressure to publish in academia.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Anybody who knows anything about the fraccing process knows perfectly well that the water is hardly "chemical-laced." That's just pure horseshit scare tactics. It's primarily proppants that make fraccing work.

what are "proppants?"

 

[Stella_Omega]

You could pay it either way, Green or Red, but it's only a way to get a uptight Assistant Professor worried about his funding, with a Penn St. girl in a valley, cut off by a flash food.
His cellphone not working and she convinces him to let go.
and join the earth mother.

Bullshit, JL, stop posting political threads trying to disguise them as porn.

She is NOT going to be the calm one. Her water well is filthy and toxic, the ground is reeking with methane, she can't drink the clean water she used to have, and Cabot won't respond.

Don't insult her by assuming she's that ignorant. People who rely on the "Earth Mother" know damn well that whatever harms their resources hurts them.

 

[TxRad]

Bullshit, JL, stop posting political threads trying to disguise them as porn.

She is NOT going to be the calm one. Her water well is filthy and toxic, the ground is reeking with methane, she can't drink the clean water she used to have, and Cabot won't respond.

Don't insult her by assuming she's that ignorant. People who rely on the "Earth Mother" know damn well that whatever harms their resources hurts them.

Stella, If you have any Natural gas in you water it is most likely from wells plugged back in the fifties and early sixties before they were regulated. In wells today cement on the casing has to be brought all the way to surface. This seals the water sand areas. When the well is plugged and abandoned it must be plugged at intervals and then above and below the water sands, once again sealing them completely.

Years ago this wasn't the case. Old oil companies like Gulf did terrible jobs (read that as the cheapest way possible). Chevron bought them out and have been spending upwards of several million dollars a year to open and replug these well but there are thousands of them in my area alone.

Some gas sands have natural gas as the driving force is they are artesian. The gas is above the water. If the water table drops too much then the gas gets in the water system. So blaming it on the oil companies is only part right. At least some of them are trying to fix things.

Back in the fifties and early sixties it was salt water leaking out of corroded lines above ground. Now it is gas leaking underground. One was fixed and reclaimed and now the second is being fixed.

I'm not defending the oil companies, there is far more they could do. Old laws governing the way companies could operate have changed. Now the clean up from then has to be done. It takes time and lots of money.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Thanks, Tx. So-- artisan wells that have performed beautifully since the fifties now have got to be updated... sometime, when the gas companies get around to it.

Maybe. If they aren't busy making money and messes just at that time.

In any case, an Appalachian woman is not going to be laid back about the damage that fracking has done to her land. She's going to be angrier about it than the professor is. It's a personal insult.

So, JL, let them take solace in each other, is my thought on your plot bunny. Let them have one afternoon when the modern world takes a hike. let them have a chance to remember mother earth-- both of them.

 

[TxRad]

Thanks, Tx. So-- artisan wells that have performed beautifully since the fifties now have got to be updated... sometime, when the gas companies get around to it.

Maybe. If they aren't busy making money and messes just at that time.

In any case, an Appalachian woman is not going to be laid back about the damage that fracking has done to her land. She's going to be angrier about it than the professor is. It's a personal insult.

So, JL, let them take solace in each other, is my thought on your plot bunny. Let them have one afternoon when the modern world takes a hike. let them have a chance to remember mother earth-- both of them.

The artisan wells don't have to be updated. They are being overused and drawn down for the most part below working levels.

What they 9The Oil Companies) are reworking are old wells left over from the fifties. The gas from those are what is getting into a lot of water supplies.

First of all an Appalachian woman is not likely to be in an area anyone is fracing. She is more likely to have gas from the coal mine under her land.

Anyway, oil company exec and good old country girl, yeah, there is a plot bunny or two in there.

 

[JackLuis]

I thought it was a neat title, as Trysail said the article was hyperbolic and as TX Rad said, it ain't the way it is, but flaming water is coming out of the taps, so who's right?

And what is political about Gas?

Yes she would be concerned about the gas her water, but 'she' doesn't have gas. but she needs the royalties to get out of the country. So she sets her sights on the Prof and then we can get to the erotica.

On second thought why write it, if it is going to be criticized for the set up?

 

[Stella_Omega]

I thought it was a neat title, as Trysail said the article was hyperbolic and as TX Rad said, it ain't the way it is, but flaming water is coming out of the taps, so who's right?

And what is political about Gas?

Yes she would be concerned about the gas her water, but 'she' doesn't have gas. but she needs the royalties to get out of the country. So she sets her sights on the Prof and then we can get to the erotica.

On second thought why write it, if it is going to be criticized for the set up?

I won't cricitize it if you write it. Hell, at least you're writing!

But-- think about my alternative, how about. Let them both find some peace for a while together-- without pretending that her life is so idyllic.

or else, write a magical fantasy where your prof falls into an alternate universe where there is no mining, and everyone eats venison instead of beef, and the girls in the hollers are buxom and willing.... Oooh!

 

[JackLuis]

I won't cricitize it if you write it. Hell, at least you're writing!

But-- think about my alternative, how about. Let them both find some peace for a while together-- without pretending that her life is so idylic.
lic.

or else, write a magical fantasy where your prof falls into an alternate universe where there is no mining, and everyone eats venison instead of beef, and the girls in the hollers are buxom and willing.... Oooh!

You're the one who is making assumptions. I never said she was anything but a country girl and an earth mother. why don't you write it and I' comment.

 

[Stella_Omega]

You're the one who is making assumptions. I never said she was anything but a country girl and an earth mother. why don't you write it and I' comment.

If I wrote it, it would be a downer. The sex would be good -- but the water table would still be polluted after they got out of bed.

 

[JackLuis]

If I wrote it, it would be a downer. The sex would be good -- but the water table would still be polluted after they got out of bed.

I wouldn't be so hard on yourself Stella.

Box brought up farts, although in New Zealand, they tax farmers for their methane produced by sheep cattle and deer. I thought that odd given the wind conditions in the southern Oceans.

It is fiction so you can make it come out any way you want it to, sometimes.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I wouldn't be so hard on yourself Stella.

Box brought up farts, although in New Zealand, they tax farmers for their methane produced by sheep cattle and deer. I thought that odd given the wind conditions in the southern Oceans.

Where do you think the wind blows it to? Magically out of the atmosphere? It's a greenhouse gas-- it affects the whole planet. New Zealand recognises this even if we don't.

It is fiction so you can make it come out any way you want it to, sometimes.

Not so much these days.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Seems worth ressurecting this thread;

Chesapeake Energy Corp. lost control of the well site near Canton, in Bradford County, around 11:45 p.m. Tuesday, officials said. Tainted water flowed from the site all day Wednesday, though by the mid-afternoon, workers had managed to divert the extremely salty water away from the stream.
...
Chesapeake said a piece of equipment failed late Tuesday while the well was being hydraulically fractured, or fracked. In the fracking process, millions of gallons of water, along with chemical additives and sand, are injected at high pressure down the well bore to break up the shale and release the gas.

State environmental regulators took water samples from the unnamed tributary of Towanda Creek on Wednesday but did not report a fish kill. Towanda Creek, which is stocked with trout, empties into the Susquehanna River. Officials said they do not know how the size of the spill.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...on-or-injuries/2011/04/20/AFCEFjCE_story.html