New Author, First Story, Non-consent/Reluctance

[hisgirls]

Hello,

I have never written a story of any kind before. A few weeks ago, a travel delay sidelined me for days. This story (link below) just came to me, and would not leave my mind. I wrote it, and then three others with this character. Looking to put them out into the world, I stumbled across this site shortly after that, and posted just the first. It is simply amazing to me that 8,000 people have read it in a few days. There have been 2 comments made, and I keep returning to the site looking for more. If you take the time to read my story (about 4,000 words) and offer a comment, I would appreciate it.

Thank you.

TJ

http://www.literotica.com/s/but-i-do

 

[LordOfHell]

Added my comment. Be sure to check it out.

 

[hisgirls]

Thank you

I appreciate the extensive and thoughtful feedback.

You raised one particularly interesting point that I had not seen the way you did, regarding the "nonchalance" of the sex. I agree a slower and more detailed presentation would have added to the impact of the story.

This really was the first story of any kind I have ever written. It, and 5 more of the same type developing the story of the same character just flowed out over a period of a few days. I just submitted the second one this morning (I'll Be Gentle). Hopefully you will see it soon.

I will likely let this short series play out mostly as written, and incorporate the feedback I receive into the next group of stories that I have not yet started.

I am pleased you picked up on the wasn't "right" in the head part. That is what I was going for. Started out trying to be more subtle about it, but think it ended up being a tad obvious.

One question for you (and others who read this), and I know it will reveal my ignorance. I have not read many stories, and am not familiar with the definitions of the various genres. You mention loving non-consent, but that rape is not your thing. What the heck is the defining distinction between the two? I presumed non-consensual sex was rape. I did notice that the few stories I read before posting mine did not use the word "rape", and that "rape" was a forbidden tag word, so I did make a point of emphasizing the concept in my story (and the other I wrote at the same time). Two of the three comments I received so far mention that the emphasis on rape was a negative, and the story's ranking has gone from a high of 4.12 initially, to 3.88 now as more people have voted. A shift of focus would seem to be in order. I am just wondering how to present something as non-consensual but not rape. I don't know what the distinction between the 2 is. What is it in your mind?

Thank you again.

TJ

 

[LordOfHell]

In real life, of course, there is no difference between non-consent and rape, but in erotic fiction, we are able to take liberties with reality and explore things via the "rule of sexy" and pure fantasy.

That said, non-consentual stories usually involve the "victim" being coerced into sex, but on some level, secretly wanting it. This can take the form of a person who is "drawn" to the aggressor by feelings of lust, or a person whom, after the experience has ended, comes to find that it was overall positive and enjoyable. This is usually what "rape fantasy" is about in BDSM and roleplay. One person "pretends" to not want it, and the other person takes it.

Also, in rape stories, the rapist tends to enjoy hurting the victim or doing things that they can't stand. In non-consensual, the "aggressor" is at least partially interested in the victim's pleasure, and may justify their actions with things like, "You may say 'no', but your body says 'yes'."

 

[hisgirls]

Now I Know

Thank you for the clear explanation. I wondered why the seemingly odd reaction to the rape element when the genre was non-consent (which I took to be the definition of rape). I get it now. The story that is pending, as well as the other few I wrote in a bunch, all continue and expand on the rape theme, emphasizing it more and more, as well as the "not right" element you pointed out. After exploring the rape taboo, I started throwing in more forbidden and "dirty" aspects of the hunter's evolving interests. I wonder how that will be received? I will let this second story stand as is, and observe the response. Maybe I will need to find another site to post the remaining stories, one with a category for rape (where they would be appropriate) rather than here in the non-consent area (where they do not appear to fit in well). I could then make another attempt here with something more suitable to what readers are expecting to find in non-consent, or possibly try another category.

Again, your time and input is appreciated. Thank you.

 

[Hotcappucino]

That's interesting, I've never heard that stories where the "victim" wants the experience fall into non-consent and those where the victim does not are considered rape. I always thought that stories where the victim actually wants it, or are coerced into it, were considered reluctance (hence the category, NonConsent/Reluctance).

In any case, there are plenty of each type of story in this category, and both types have decently high ratings, so I would not necessarily consider changing your storyline. For example, I have a "rape story" that has a 4.63 rating after 8 years and close to 65,000 views, so I don't believe the ratings are necessarily due to the story being of one type or the other, because there are plenty of readers who enjoy one or the other. You do have to be careful about the degree of violence you portray: no snuff, torture, graphic depictions of violence, etc.

I, for one, dislike stories where the victim eventually enjoys the experience at the end, because many of those read like a cop-out on the part of author, as if the author changed his mind at the last minute about the victim's experience in order to keep from offending anyone. I won't, however, give such stories a low rating as long as the story is believable, there's good character and plot development, no serious mistakes in grammar & spelling, good dialogue, good descriptions, etc., all the things that make a good story, so maybe you ought to take another look at those aspects instead of changing your story to a reluctance type of plot.

 

[hisgirls]

Thank you

I appreciate your input and comments.

I read the story you indicated. Very good.

I will certainly work on all aspects of my writing to help improve how they are received, and not necessarily abandon the rape theme, although the fact that "rape" is a "forbidden tag" when describing stories would seem to indicate it is not an entirely welcome genre.

 

[lovecraft68]

That's interesting, I've never heard that stories where the "victim" wants the experience fall into non-consent and those where the victim does not are considered rape. I always thought that stories where the victim actually wants it, or are coerced into it, were considered reluctance (hence the category, NonConsent/Reluctance).

In any case, there are plenty of each type of story in this category, and both types have decently high ratings, so I would not necessarily consider changing your storyline. For example, I have a "rape story" that has a 4.63 rating after 8 years and close to 65,000 views, so I don't believe the ratings are necessarily due to the story being of one type or the other, because there are plenty of readers who enjoy one or the other. You do have to be careful about the degree of violence you portray: no snuff, torture, graphic depictions of violence, etc.

I, for one, dislike stories where the victim eventually enjoys the experience at the end, because many of those read like a cop-out on the part of author, as if the author changed his mind at the last minute about the victim's experience in order to keep from offending anyone. I won't, however, give such stories a low rating as long as the story is believable, there's good character and plot development, no serious mistakes in grammar & spelling, good dialogue, good descriptions, etc., all the things that make a good story, so maybe you ought to take another look at those aspects instead of changing your story to a reluctance type of plot.

That's because you are right. In rape the victim never enjoys it that is why it is a crime. If there is some attraction or enjoyment after the initial resistance it is reluctance and apples and oranges. fact is the comment Lord of Hell made is what the twisted souls who think rape is an enjoyable subject use as justifying their sickness. From the authors point of view that "they wanted it" angle lets them off the hook a bit in their own mind that they are not glorifying a crime. I am not a prude or squeamish I am writing a series where the sister was sexually abused and have revisited it in flashbacks. In my story however the rape is glossed over and not glorified it is used to show why this girl is so screwed up in the present. The people who read rape looking for rape and stroking to it are by far the sickest souls on this site. It continuously amazes me that lit wages an all out battle on under age (to the point where I stated a character was lying in bed at the age of 16 and his sister comes in. the yare both dressed and the only thing that happens is she sleeps in his bed because he had a nightmare, they kicked it out) yet this heinous crime is up here as jerk off material for twisted powerless men with no self esteem who could only get a woman by forcing her. Sigh priorities.

 

[Hotcappucino]

While I agree that the act of rape is repulsive and one which I do not condone, I personally think it is a stretch to label those enjoy to read or write such stories as "sick." Many people still think homosexuality is "sick," that beastiality is sick, that having sex with a family member is sick. How can somone control how they sexually respond to specific situations? It's a physiological reaction: either your dick starts getting hard, or it doesn't, and you have no control over it.

I'm reminded of the anti-gay crowd who think that homosexuals can somehow flick a switch and become straight: "If they would only try hard enough!" Being a straight male myself, I find it very difficult to imagine that any degree of psychological treatment, much less just changing my mind and "wanting to," could change me into wanting to have sex with another man as strongly as I would with a woman. I don't read gay male stories, because they do nothing for me (although interestingly, lesbian stories happen to be a big turn-on). Likewise, I don't see how anyone who finds stories about rape (or any other subject) a turn-on can suppress such feelings.

Am I embarrassed and ashamed that rape stories are personally a turn-on? Yes. I don't understand the psychological cause or reasons behind it, but I don't think many of my friends would consider me a "twisted, sick powerless man with no self-esteem," and I have never had to force a woman to have sex with me. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of individuals who do enjoy such stories are average, law-abiding citizens, raising families, going to jobs, and are pillars of their communities. Is rape something that I will ever act out? Of course not, and again, I think that's the case for the vast majority of authors/readers. For us, it's enough just to whack off in front of our computers in the privacy of our homes.

Similarly, while I am turned on by incest stories, I could never imagine have sex with either of my daughters or my sisters; the thought of it is not appealing at all, even though they are all physically attractive. In fact, my wife laughs when I make an exaggerated effort to avert my eyes if there's a chance that I might see either of my teenage daughters naked (for example, when they ask me to get them a towel because they forgot to get one from the linen closet before they jumped in the shower). I'm sure, again, that most individuals who enjoy incest stories would never act on it. There's probably a vocal contingent who would like to see incest stories banned, but guess what? It's all a fantasy, and if you don't like it, go read something else. Don't try to police what other people read or write about.

Is it possible that someone may actually try to act out one of the rape stories? Sure. But do we suppress all such stories because of that small possibility? It's the same debate that's been going on for years about violent movies and heavy-metal music. Do we do away with slasher movies like Friday the 13th because of the glorifications of violence? Do we prohibit gangster movies or detective shows or mystery novels because they might inspire somone, however remotely, to imitate some violent act? People have to be responsible for their actions.

I think most authors/readers know the difference between fantasy and reality, and we have laws to punish those that don't. It's my general opinion that anyone convicted of a sexual crime be put away for life, because I believe that anyone who cannot control themselves and would actually perform such an act against another person is highly likely to repeat such actions in the future. But I don't think these types of stories on sites like Literotica are what's going to push them over the edge; either they are already susceptible to to ignoring the norms of society or they're not.