Byron in Exile says calculus has nothing to do with programming.

[LJ_Reloaded]

Holy shit, thanks overthebow. I had to figure out who you were talking to, and it was well worth the effort.

That's crap. You're not a computer programmer, I guess.

I've taken both. And Calculus has no relation to programming computers. None.

Wow. Anyone who listens to this guy on any subject is a total flaming idiot.

 

[overthebow]

Holy shit, thanks overthebow. I had to figure out who you were talking to, and it was well worth the effort.


Wow. Anyone who listens to this guy on any subject is a total flaming idiot.

There are many things that I don't know a lot about. It is scary and humbling. But I do know a few things about processor architecture.

 

[Liar]

10 Print "Hello world!"
20 Goto 10


Depends what you wanna program, I guess.

 

[Sean]

10 Print "Hello world!"
20 Goto 10


Depends what you wanna program, I guess.

lol. That's probably the first bit of coding anyone ever does.

 

[overthebow]

Check out visual python. It is pretty cool.

http://vpython.org/

 

[Liar]

lol. That's probably the first bit of coding anyone ever does.

Not me. I read up on it first. Then I made a sprite that moved and changed color.

I'm so 1337.

 

[Sean]

Not me. I read up on it first. Then I made a sprite that moved and changed color.

I'm so 1337.

First serious thing I ever did was write a prog to solve quadratics.
Only about ten lines of code but I was double chuffed when it worked.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

There are many things that I don't know a lot about. It is scary and humbling. But I do know a few things about processor architecture.

And you and I both know a few more things about computer science than Byron does. I understood this when I was going through the program... even though I hated every minute of it.

I'd challenge Byron to come up with a curriculum for computer science that does not include calculus and show us how students can get through that and be competent programmers. He can't. He'd be putting out code monkeys that wouldn't even cut it in India.

 

[Byron In Exile]

And you and I both know a few more things about computer science than Byron does. I understood this when I was going through the program... even though I hated every minute of it.

I'd challenge Byron to come up with a curriculum for computer science that does not include calculus and show us how students can get through that and be competent programmers. He can't. He'd be putting out code monkeys that wouldn't even cut it in India.

You just aren't happy unless you're demonstrating your ignorance of two subjects at the same time, are you?

 

[phrodeau]

I'd challenge Le Jerque to explain how the knowledge of Calculus is essential to computer programming, but he says he hates it so I won't.

Pity. His explanations are often entertaining.

 

[Sean]

I have to admit, I've written a fair amount of code in my time and the only time I've ever needed to know any calc was when the object of the prog was a calc problem.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I have to admit, I've written a fair amount of code in my time and the only time I've ever needed to know any calc was when the object of the prog was a calc problem.

LT is a fucking moron.

You know that, right?

 

[Wok]

In the little programming I have done, I have never used a triple integral or even the epislon-delta definitions of a limit to make a for loop in C...

Perhaps epsilon-N definition of convergence and divergence will make it clearer.

 

[Byron In Exile]

In the little programming I have done, I have never used a triple integral or even the epislon-delta definitions of a limit to make a for loop in C...

Perhaps epsilon-N definition of convergence and divergence will make it clearer.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n307/byroninexile/lolsroyce.gif

 

[KRCummings]

Just another brick in my "LT is Overthebow" wall.

 

[Sean]

In the little programming I have done, I have never used a triple integral or even the epislon-delta definitions of a limit to make a for loop in C...

Perhaps epsilon-N definition of convergence and divergence will make it clearer.

You should explain that to LT.


Go on, it will be funny.

 

[Sean]

Just another brick in my "LT is Overthebow" wall.

You think? He seems a bit too sane to be LT.

 

[where]

Just another brick in my "LT is Overthebow" wall.

overthebow can admit to being wrong and not knowing something. plus le jerk's too fucking dumb to make an alt unless it's a carbon copy of him.

 

[Sean]

LT is a fucking moron.

You know that, right?

Moron? No. I'll give you insane, though.

 

[KRCummings]

You think? He seems a bit too sane to be LT.

They're too buddy-buddy. Nobody is friends with LT unless they're stupid, insane or an LT alt. Overthebow is somewhat stupid but doesn't seem to be that fucking stupid, he doesn't strike me as insane so that leaves alt.

 

[KRCummings]

Moron? No. I'll give you insane, though.

He's not a moron but he's not smart either. Don't give him too much credit. All his intelligence is google-based.

 

[Byron In Exile]

There are many things that I don't know a lot about. It is scary and humbling. But I do know a few things about processor architecture.

It's not scary... it shouldn't be.

It's fairly fucking amazing when you get into it.

Let's say you're writing firmware for a disc controller. The disc is spinning at a rate that means it takes 16 milliseconds per revolution. Now, if you number the sectors sequentially, guess what happens, then? You can read one sector, but can't reset the hardware in time to read the next one until after it's passed the read/write head. That means it will take an entire revolution of the disc before you can read the next sector. Well, that's not acceptable: one sector every 16ms? If you're reading a large file, then it's likely you're reading the entire track. You want to pick up as many sectors as you can in a revolution; so the question is: how long does it take to reset the hardware so that it's ready to read another sector, and how many sectors will go by before it's ready again? Can we pick up four in one rotation?

^ Clearly, none of this involves Calculus. It's just simple math and timing. And when you get it right, and it works... there's no feeling like it. There's a moment of sickness, standing over the test bed, but that goes away when it works.

Anyway, my advice to you would be to listen to the professional on this subject, and not the lunacy of LT.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Moron? No. I'll give you insane, though.

Insane moron?

Honestly. Look at the thread title.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Nobody is friends with LT unless they're stupid, insane or an LT alt.

Point.

 

[Sean]

They're too buddy-buddy. Nobody is friends with LT unless they're stupid, insane or an LT alt. Overthebow is somewhat stupid but doesn't seem to be that fucking stupid, he doesn't strike me as insane so that leaves alt.

Rosco.