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[posingsomdomite]

Moved.

 

[sr71plt]

And so? This isn't where stories are meant to be posted. Submit it to the story file.

 

[posingsomdomite]

And so? This isn't where stories are meant to be posted. Submit it to the story file.

Sorry, thought you could post stuff waiting to be approved here.

 

[sr71plt]

Sorry, thought you could post stuff waiting to be approved here.

They have a filter system on the story file to control what gets posted to their privately owned Web site. If writers were welcome to just bypass that and post their stories here, there would be no controls over what was posted to this Web site (and there likely would be a whole lot more police types sniffing around and checking on people posting to the site).

 

[lloyd_5]

sr, stop being so anally retentive. Since this site began people have posted draft stories here. There is a moderator and posters have always been ready to highlight any breach of the site guidelines. Also, the 'report post' function is there to allow breaches to be edited.

You are not a moderator and should butt out of giving 'management' opinions.

Considering what I read on some public forums, the Lit forums smack of Holy water. We managed just fine 'til you stuck your beak in here trying to put off newbies. I used to think scouries was the major force destroying Stories Feedback, but now I'm not so sure.

 

[PacoFear]

I don't know, lloyd, I'm with sr on this. It's kind of frustrating to see folks circumventing the site's controls. Seems to me that these posters fall into two general categories: (1) someone that was rejected for grammar issues dumps their half-assed effort here rather than fix it; or (2) someone that was rejected for improper content like underage or rapist fantasy but insists we read it anyway.

I don't think anybody's looking to turn the newbies off, more like steer them in the right direction.

 

[sr71plt]

sr, stop being so anally retentive. Since this site began people have posted draft stories here. There is a moderator and posters have always been ready to highlight any breach of the site guidelines. Also, the 'report post' function is there to allow breaches to be edited.

You are not a moderator and should butt out of giving 'management' opinions.

Considering what I read on some public forums, the Lit forums smack of Holy water. We managed just fine 'til you stuck your beak in here trying to put off newbies. I used to think scouries was the major force destroying Stories Feedback, but now I'm not so sure.

Yeah, like you ever did anything to help a newbie (or anyone else) on Lit.

Publishing to the forum is no different in effect to publishing to the story file. The Web site's controls are to keep material that would bring "morals cops" scrutiny off the Web site, not just out of the story file. If the Web site didn't have a control mechanism it wanted to be able to control over, it wouldn't go to the effort of establishing one. I nudge posters on this to keep us all safer from the scrutiny, and the OP here didn't have a problem with that.

 

[Saucydisher11]

Considering what I read on some public forums, the Lit forums smack of Holy water. We managed just fine 'til you stuck your beak in here trying to put off newbies. I used to think scouries was the major force destroying Stories Feedback, but now I'm not so sure.

Nice

 

[posingsomdomite]

Seems to me that these posters fall into two general categories: (1) someone that was rejected for grammar issues dumps their half-assed effort here rather than fix it; or (2) someone that was rejected for improper content like underage or rapist fantasy but insists we read it anyway.

Actually, I'm still waiting to hear about my story from Literotica and neither of those categories were my intent. I am used to the BDSM Library boards, where pending/ rough stories can be posted for opinions and advice. I apologize If I broke any rules, but it never even crossed my mind. The name of the fraking thread is Story Feedback.

I had no problem taking it down, but sr's post did read as very conceited and off putting. I didn't run away crying, but it wasn't a welcoming attitude towards a first time poster.

 

[sr71plt]

I had no problem taking it down, but sr's post did read as very conceited and off putting. I didn't run away crying, but it wasn't a welcoming attitude towards a first time poster.

I didn't take your original posting well, either--for another reason. You just plopped it out there. You didn't ask a question. You just shoved it at us. Sort of, here, sit on this!

(Since we're talking about leaving bad impressions.)

 

[elfin_odalisque]

And so? This isn't where stories are meant to be posted. Submit it to the story file.

Sorry, thought you could post stuff waiting to be approved here.

I don't know, lloyd, I'm with sr on this. It's kind of frustrating to see folks circumventing the site's controls. Seems to me that these posters fall into two general categories: (1) someone that was rejected for grammar issues dumps their half-assed effort here rather than fix it; or (2) someone that was rejected for improper content like underage or rapist fantasy but insists we read it anyway.

I don't think anybody's looking to turn the newbies off, more like steer them in the right direction.

Paco, for all the time I've skulked around Lit, nervous wannabees have posted stuff on this forum. Most of it is pretty poor, often regurgitation of IM sexplay stuff and a lot fitting your 'half-assed' criticism.

However, the site is aware of this and, with its moderator, has accepted it always. It is not beholden on any jumped up wannabee censor to frighten off people by giving them false advice.

Anyone posting stuff here that breaks the golden rules of underage sex or bestiality has always been flagged up on the forum and by report. This worked for a decade, why not now?

Long before I had the courage to comment here, Trojans like darksideof themoon, jenny_jackson, cloudy, imp and others had no problem in calling a spade a spade and seriously criticizing poor work. This is not Editor's Feedback.

Lloyd, a tad aggressively, puts his finger on a pulse that increasingly worries me.

Allowing posters like scouries here is a turnoff to a lot of new writers. Sr's attempt to be a policeman where the site is happy to rely on their own controls is just an illusion of grandeur.

Posting draft stories here ( however good or bad) is accepted and jumped up little Hitlers, who want to threaten potential newbies, damage the site immensely.

Sorry, but the destruction of Story Feedback really upsets me.

posingsomdomite's story broke no Lit story guidelines and, whether good or bad, was eligible for posting here. Sr was heavy-handed and probably upset a newbie for no reason.

 

[lloyd_5]

I don't know, lloyd, I'm with sr on this. It's kind of frustrating to see folks circumventing the site's controls. Seems to me that these posters fall into two general categories: (1) someone that was rejected for grammar issues dumps their half-assed effort here rather than fix it; or (2) someone that was rejected for improper content like underage or rapist fantasy but insists we read it anyway.

I don't think anybody's looking to turn the newbies off, more like steer them in the right direction.

You have to make a distinction between poor writing and improper content.

Improper content should be reported but nobody posting stuff here is circumventing the site's controls. If the site had a problem they would deal with it.

I think the problem, as littleblackdress articulated, is we have moved beyond the original objective of helping new writers to a marketing forum where sr and others just want to sell their second rate stuff and guys like posingsomdomite are getting bullied - nay terrorized - by bullies like sr who promote an agenda that is not supported by the site owners - just helping scouries.

 

[Darkniciad]

Hang on. SR can be harsh and unbending, but lumping him in with a certain unsavory character is more than a little much.

His knowledge of publishing, editing, the marketplace, copyright, and numerous other writing topics is a valuable resource. He's provided assistance and editing to any number of new people, much of which I'm sure isn't in the public postings.

His bucking of the trend of absolutes with regards to giving advice to authors has merit. That seems to be a major point of contention in this section of the forum in particular. There has always been a lot of "don't do this!" and "you must do this!" here with regards to style ( not grammar ). The site has a diverse pool of both readers and authors, and he rightfully points out that there are numerous exceptions to those "rules".

I do think that he may be off-base on this particular issue, as this section of the forum has always allowed inexperienced writers to post unpublished stories for critique. There's a difference between "is this any good?" and people simply promoting their blogs, trying to get a rejected story posted on the site by coming here instead, etc. I suppose a quick Q to Laurel could clear that up once and for all, but it was always the norm.

Regardless of how you may feel about him as a poster, SR is an asset to the site. He who shall not be named is nothing more than a parasitic disease.

 

[sr71plt]

Elfin's posting doesn't surprise me. She had years of telling writers what they must do (without doing much of any writing herself here), and it came as such a blow when it started being pointed out that much of her advice is untrained barf.

As for Lloyd, all the poster does is backbite anyway, so who cares about him?

I'll go on providing what help from training and experience I can; it's up to the writers to decide what works for them.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

drk, I fully accept sr's competence in terms of copy editing and publishing and that he writes well. I cannot accept that he refuses to admit a mistake here and launches an ad hominem attack to hide his blushes.

I would point out that his knowledge of copyright law doesn't stretch as far as hotlinking.

This bombastic approach, which he often uses with shy newbies here, damages the forum. You just have to read posingsomdomite's reaction to sr's tirade.

The reason I linked him with 'He who cannot be mentioned' is they both ride roughshod over the way this forum was meant to be. The exquisite irony is that sr and other authors take full advantage of Lit's permission to link with their stories on other sites which don't get covered by any of Lit's controls. He'll be claiming next he gets royalties from Queen Manu.

On Editor's Forum he is a gem and on AH he is interesting. On Story Feedback he just doesn't relate to the issues of starting to write fiction and newbies reading his comments get put off, especially when he says he hasn't bothered to read the story. I have a bundle of PMs supportng this.

Just read C Watson's superb critiques - that sr always ignores.

 

[PacoFear]

Oi. Let me back up a step on this scuffle because, for me anyway, context is key. I do think that the Story Feedback forum is a helpful place for writers to post their works-in-progress and solicit the feedback that insecure bastards like me, you, and everyone else who spends days hovering over a keyboard so desperately craves.

But that's not what happened in the original post was it? The OP just plopped his story down and wandered off. Hold on, don't mash that reply button yet because I don't think, and never thought, that the OP's act was intentional in a malicious way. He simply had the urge to post his story somewhere and this seemed like as good a place as any.

Viewed in the light of what actually happened, SR's response of "And so? This isn't where stories are meant to be posted" made sense even if it was a smidge abrupt. The OP never asked for feedback.

For my part, in retrospect -- here's your tasty mea culpa, savor it, I don't serve it up often -- it wasn't exactly fair of me to lump folks who post drafts on Feedback into two categories of my own choosing. I can see that there's at least one other group: (3) the well-meaning newbie who's nervous about posting his/her early efforts and is looking for some support. I've poked, prodded, cheered and hugged my fair share of these lovely folks and look forward to doing so again in the future.

But they have to ask.

-PF

 

[elfin_odalisque]

PF, as always, you pour oil over troubled waters - and I agree with you.

From all the time I have followed this forum there have been cases where writers have just dumped half-finished stories here thinking that the title 'story feedback' was sufficient. They always got sharpish remarks that effectively said, WTF. This was needed here to point out that you need to define and ask for criticism on a draft posted here. sr's response was way OTT and wrong.

I read the thread where you edited bianca s's opening and that to me seems just what this forum is about. With the exception of C Watson, few people here really try anymore to get wannabees even to base 1

I think sr is a really good writer but is no longer capable of truly understanding Fiction 101. He lambasts me for advising neophytes to avoid first person. I accept it is a fantastically personal tense for erotica but it is a Maserati, not a Honda Accord.

I love reading AH and Editors' Forum but could all the old hands please show a lighter touch on SF. I don't know how many times I've read, 'This is my first story, be gentle with me' but we should never forget the angst and palpitations that go before a first posting to lit. This isn't a rough and tumble and, nodding to drk, the aggression of 'He who cannot be mentioned', sr and some others has stopped this forum being a nursery school for writers'

I'm really sad about that.

 

[sr71plt]

Elfin has been attacking me ever since I spoiled her and Jennie Jackson's monopoly here a couple of years ago on telling writers how and what to write with not much more than an elementary understanding of writing themselves and certainly with very little demonstrated ability for writing erotica. Of course she's upset I post here. It spoils her little "easy button" quakery of lording it around over folks asking for writing advice here.

I trust those looking at the advice given will research the relative demonstration of expertise of those giving advice here and make up their own minds whose advice to trust and follow.

And mostly I hope they'll experiment with their creativity at this free-post site and develop from there as they like and not buy into her limited tunnel vision on how they can write.