59% of Japanese Girls Dislike Sex!

[amicus]

Sad news for me personally, as I found Japanese girls in Honolulu, to be horny little honey bunnies...but...sighs...that was long ago:

TOKYO (AFP) –

Young Japanese men are losing interest in sex, according to a study commissioned by the government, in a further warning sign for a nation notorious for its low birth rate, a doctor said Friday.

The survey also found that more than 40 percent of married people said they have not had sex in the past month, said Kunio Kitamura, head of the clinic of the Japan Family Planning Association, who took part in the survey.

"This is directly linked with falling birth rate. Policy actions are necessary," Kitamura told AFP.

The data confirmed a wider social belief that younger men are becoming "herbivorous", a label attached to passive men who do not actively seek women and sex.

The latest biennial survey found that 36.1 percent of Japanese males between the ages of 16-19 said they had no interest or even despised sex, a jump from 17.5 percent in the 2008 study.

Compounding the issue was data that showed 59 percent of girls in the same age group felt the same way, up 12 percentage points from 2008.

The data is a worry for a government aiming to encourage couples to have children to reverse a falling birth rate and avert a potential economic calamity.

Japan's total fertility rate in 2009 was estimated by the government at 1.37 births per woman, one of the world's lowest, compared with 2.06 in the United States and 1.97 in France.

The trend has been largely blamed on a widespread belief, especially in rural Japan, that women who give birth should quit their jobs, amid shortages of childcare centres and other systemic factors.

Japan's population has already started to decline as younger people delay starting a family due to the perceived burden on their finances, lifestyles and careers.

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Well, phooey, I have a long dormant story of three Japanese school girls on a tour of the US and a friendly desk clerk at a Beach Hotel...sighs...

I am going to pose a 'general' question I have spoken of before, the apparently natural relationship between modern industrial societies and the birth rate of women in those societies. To set the table, to maintain stable population numbers, discounting immigration, an indigenous society needs to have each woman produce two children, just to maintain the population.

This is a subject that sociologists have been tinkering with and will continue to do so, as it appears modern societies are doomed to fail, internally, from the failure to reproduce.

I am purposely going to attempt to 'guide' this conversation, if there is one, along serious philosophical lines and not the shallow political interpretations that usually occur. To wit:

The objective, natural existence of human life is motivated by the innate drives to procreate and nurture. Read that again and think about it; the purpose and meaning of life arises from the innate psychological and physical imperatives to reproduce and nurture offspring.

As recent ago as the 90's when I last did talk radio and posed the question to my mostly female listeners, almost 80% of those who responded, stated they would be 'stay at home moms', if economic conditions permitted it.

There are hundreds of other observations, some scientific, some not, nome mere opinion polls or psycholgical theories and postulations with a sociological foundation, that confirm my suspicions, that given the chance, most women would choose not to be in the labor market full time.

To perhaps disuade those 'zero population growth' fanatics and the zealots who see man as an infestation of the pristine natural purity of mother earth; please don't put forth your warped fantasies, they bore me.

Amicus

 

[xssve]

The other day it was Japanese boys who didn't like sex.

I'm sure the other 49% are taking up the slack.

 

[Boxlicker101]

ZPG is probably a good idea, especially in a densely populated nation such as Japan. A negative growth rate may be bad news, after a while.

That wouldn't be two children per woman; it would be an average of two. There are some women who are barren and others who don't want children.

 

[Stella_Omega]

When I was in Tokyo in the 80's I found that many Japanese girls liked sex with butch Gaijin women. And they were most pleasantly forthcoming about it, too.

 

[amicus]

Yes, of course it is an average, but that is not even germaine as the decline in fertility is a fact across the board in Western styled societies.

While societal statistics are great fun for bean counters, I am, as usual, concentrating on individual men and women who seem to be choosing, more and mroe, not to bear children or have a family.

A curious accumulation of facts, all documentable if you choose; at one time the Russians, may have been when the Soviets were in power, were offering bonuses for women to get pregnant; Canada, if I recall, did the same thing not so many years ago.

Without the higher birthrate of immigrant populations in much of Europe and the US, the average birthrate would be much lower.This is all leading somewhere and is having and will have tremendous repercussions as the average age of western styled societies are experiencing and will continue to experience an aging population.

Now c'mon guys, justify my faith in the AH as a source of true objective thought and discussion.

Amicus

 

[sunandshadow]

I'd certainly like to be a stay at home mom if the economy permitted it, but it _really_ doesn't any more.

 

[wet_special]

Hmm. Objective thought? Well, all I've got is anecdotes. From what I've "heard" during my 4 years of stay in Japan, there's plenty of horny Japanese girls. Lots and lots of them. Dunno if that has anything to do with the birthrate, something Stella can attest to, lol.

I think I'd fall back on the notion that all sex surveys are flawed, and a statistic like 59% should not be rounded to 60, but to 50%.. with a plus or minus of 25%.

The birthrate statistic is a little more iron clad. What it's leading to, I'll let someone else venture a guess. Robots, that much is clear. And the rise of the Otaku.

 

[Pure]

the big picture

the situation in Japan, as in Germany, is quite serious and the decline of interest in sex** AND declining population, AND greatly increasing "old" population are all related, IMO. (pesky women voters, ami!!)

The US is in a somewhat different situation due in part to the rate of birth for Hispanics (much greater than white, non Hispanic). and the large number of hispanic migrants, both legal and illegal. These maybe the US salvation, if its white (nonHispanic) population (birth rate, age distrubution) follows the pattern in Japan and Germany.

**pattern found in late teen males, as compared to the thread title:
The latest biennial survey found that 36.1 percent of Japanese males between the ages of 16-19 said they had no interest or even despised sex, a jump from 17.5 percent in the 2008 study.



http://www.businessweek.com/blogs/e...population_decline_is_gathering_momentum.html
Japan's population decline is gathering momentum


Posted by: Ian Rowley on August 11, 2009
Japan’s Internal Affairs Ministry published the latest numbers on the country’s declining population on Aug. 11. The data doesn’t make for pleasant reading. In the year through the end of March 2009, the number of births in Japan fell for the first time since 2006 to 1.08 million, while there were 1.13 million deaths. Put together, that adds up to a record decline in the population of 45,914. That bests (if that’s the right word) the previous biggest decline of 29,119 in 2007. Just as worrying, the number of Japanese 65 or older increased to a record 28.21 million out of total population of 127 million. Meanwhile, the current recession—Japan’s GDP may shrink 6% this year—will likely make things worse as couples decide to delay or have fewer children.

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http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/handbook/c02cont.htm#cha2_2
statistics and graphs for Japan:

population pyramid fig 2.3
projected 2050 40% above 65; in 2009 23%
projected 2050 below 15, 13%; currently 8%
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birth rates and death rates. see figure 2.5

 

[colddiesel]

ZPG is probably a good idea, especially in a densely populated nation such as Japan. A negative growth rate may be bad news, after a while.
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Japan is interesting because consistent with the fact that they are the most xenophobic people on the planet the Japanese are refusing to consider immigration. Their population will continue to decline gently but then as the baby boomers start to die off in large numbers, their population will fall like a stone. A reduction of 40 million (from)120 million is on the cards by 2050

 

[vrosej10]

Yes, of course it is an average, but that is not even germaine as the decline in fertility is a fact across the board in Western styled societies.

While societal statistics are great fun for bean counters, I am, as usual, concentrating on individual men and women who seem to be choosing, more and mroe, not to bear children or have a family.

A curious accumulation of facts, all documentable if you choose; at one time the Russians, may have been when the Soviets were in power, were offering bonuses for women to get pregnant; Canada, if I recall, did the same thing not so many years ago.

Without the higher birthrate of immigrant populations in much of Europe and the US, the average birthrate would be much lower.This is all leading somewhere and is having and will have tremendous repercussions as the average age of western styled societies are experiencing and will continue to experience an aging population.

Now c'mon guys, justify my faith in the AH as a source of true objective thought and discussion.

Amicus

We offer women a $5000 bonus for having a baby (I think its in installments now) because our population was declining. It has reversed it. It does worry me though. i was walking through our local shopping centre recently and overheard:

'I am not having another baby just so you can get a flat screen tv!'

 

[lettersaroundmidnight]

Japanese girls disliking sex

I have an interest in this post as I have been to Japan several times and had some Japanese friends and friends who are English and live in Japan. I have a strong interest, but little knowledge of, their culture. I direct my comments solely at the posts relating to "horny Japanese girls".

The reason why Japanese girls find foreigners so attractive is because they (the foreign men) treat them so much better than Japanese men do (so the girls say). Japanese are very traditional people and the tradition in family circles is very restrictive to girls.

It is also true that the male Japanese sex fantasies are on the whole based on violence and school girls. The modern Japanese girls are finding this, as I understand it, increasingly distasteful. The "bukake" movement is a strictly Japanese male interest, which the girls who have to take part in, I am sure don't particularly like.

It would be very interesting to hear from any Japanese writers who could confirm or deny any of this. My views are not those of any of my friends and are only what I have picked up in passing.

Japanese erotic writing can be extremely beautiful as they have the ability to be extremely descriptive with very few words. They have always been a society that tolerated all sorts of sexual orientation and release. Due to their martial history, things may have got stuck on the male domination setting and what we are now seeing maybe a simple moveing away from it. It does not mean that Japanese girls don't like sex. It is probably just that they don't like the sex on offer.

Lettersaroundmidnight

 

[xssve]

The only benefit to high population growth is economic growth from increased economic activity, which mainly only benefits financiers.

Population growth has been pretty slow throughout history, it's only accelerated since the advent of electric lights, water treatment, etc., that cut childhood mortality and increased life spans.

The only current problem is the dependency ratio from the baby boomers, and there will have to be some adjustments made, not much question about that - unfortunately for trysail, the world keeps spinning, shit changes - your grandparents probably rode a wagon to school, and there were half the people on the planet than there are now.

It wouldn't be a tragedy if population growth reversed itself, it would just inconvenience a lot of financiers who need growing consumption rates to grow their portfolios.

And at some point, when the pressures eased, people would likely start having kids again.

This is biology, not Aristotelian mechanics, it's pretty flexible and adaptive.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Japan is interesting because consistent with the fact that they are the most xenophobic people on the planet the Japanese are refusing to consider immigration. Their population will continue to decline gently but then as the baby boomers start to die off in large numbers, their population will fall like a stone. A reduction of 40 million (from)120 million is on the cards by 2050

I don't believe it's so much xenophobia as it is racism. Generally speaking, they consider themselves superior to other Asian peoples, and don't want that superiority diluted.

 

[amicus]

]I have an interest in this post as I have been to Japan several times and had some Japanese friends and friends who are English and live in Japan. I have a strong interest, but little knowledge of, their culture. I direct my comments solely at the posts relating to "horny Japanese girls".

The reason why Japanese girls find foreigners so attractive is because they (the foreign men) treat them so much better than Japanese men do (so the girls say). Japanese are very traditional people and the tradition in family circles is very restrictive to girls.

It is also true that the male Japanese sex fantasies are on the whole based on violence and school girls. The modern Japanese girls are finding this, as I understand it, increasingly distasteful. The "bukake" movement is a strictly Japanese male interest, which the girls who have to take part in, I am sure don't particularly like.

It would be very interesting to hear from any Japanese writers who could confirm or deny any of this. My views are not those of any of my friends and are only what I have picked up in passing.

Japanese erotic writing can be extremely beautiful as they have the ability to be extremely descriptive with very few words. They have always been a society that tolerated all sorts of sexual orientation and release. Due to their martial history, things may have got stuck on the male domination setting and what we are now seeing maybe a simple moveing away from it. It does not mean that Japanese girls don't like sex. It is probably just that they don't like [/I]the sex on offer.

Lettersaroundmidnight

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Hello, Lettersaroundmidnight, nice name, and thank you.

I, too, wish we had more Japanese Litsters with knowledge of the culture and perhaps contemporary thinking....

I once read somewhere that Australia limited immigration also, to preserve the stock, dunno...I wish we had more from Europe and Asia on the AH, perhaps there are lurkers that need just a little nudge to jump in...that would be nice, consider urself nudged!

Amicus

 

[amicus]

]The only benefit to high population growth is economic growth from increased economic activity, which mainly only benefits financiers.

Population growth has been pretty slow throughout history, it's only accelerated since the advent of electric lights, water treatment, etc., that cut childhood mortality and increased life spans.

The only current problem is the dependency ratio from the baby boomers, and there will have to be some adjustments made, not much question about that - unfortunately for trysail, the world keeps spinning, shit changes - your grandparents probably rode a wagon to school, and there were half the people on the planet than there are now.

It wouldn't be a tragedy if population growth reversed itself, it would just inconvenience a lot of financiers who need growing consumption rates to grow their portfolios.

And at some point, when the pressures eased, people would likely start having kids again.

This is biology, not Aristotelian mechanics, it's pretty flexible and adaptive.[/[/I]QUOTE]

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Is it you, among many, that has me on ignore? Pity. I enjoy reading your thoughts, you always provide me an avenue of reply and usually disagreement.

You have described yourself as a 'sociobiologist', but does it have to be a faith, a 24/7 no deviation exposition? Are you never open to opposing thoughts?

The only benefit to high population growth is economic growth from increased economic activity, which mainly only benefits financiers.

Do you realize just how Marxist and Malthusian that statement is? I mean, really, do you?

I came from a family of six, I had eight children under the age of 15, in my home at one time; it was an experience that became a part of me; that I will never forget.

Not everyone is suited to be a parent, I grant that, but 'increased economic activity, financiers'; do you really believe that?

Population growth has been pretty slow throughout history, it's only accelerated since the advent of electric lights, water treatment, etc., that cut childhood mortality and increased life spans.

Let me remind you of the 'Little Ice Age', a period of cooling in the natural climatic conditions, when the population fell, and then when the 'warming period' resumed, the population exploded? This was long before your detested Industrial Revolution.

Your visions seems always rooted in the macro scale, the society as a whole, perspective, which continually frustrates and angers me, as if the individual plays no role, save as a statistic to be managed. Izzat what sociobiologists do?

When one stands apart and strives for objectivity in viewing the human condition, I think one is compelled to acknowledge the natural inclinations of the species as sentient individuals with free will, not submissive to the herd.

Not that people are not subject to 'herd like' behavior, they certainly are, witness Communist China and their 'one child' policy, the most obscene modern phenomenon I can think of, out side Islam.

But for those of you wrapped up in the ZPG theology of, 'doing what's right for your country or your environment', and have sacrificed your own personal, individual dreams and goals for the greater good, I beg of you to reconsider and think of yourself for a change. Be selfish! Be egoistic, in that your happiness is the greatest goal and value you can have!

Xssve expounds a malignant sense of life that sickens me and I feel compelled to combat it wherever it surfaces from the dark side of human thought.

Human values are discovered and cherished when a man and a woman unite and begin a family. The mere total dependency of a newborn calls upon both partners to find honor, dignity, patience, care and concern; things young adults will never discover in xssve's world of group ethics and morals.

Such a family environment also engenders realization of masculine and feminine natural characteristics and allows them to blossom into the satisfying fullness of living life as nature intended.

Societal structures, governmental institutions, social management and social justice only get in the way of life as it could and ought to be lived.

Amicus