Has everyone already forgotten Question Mark?

[zipman]

The mutual back-stroking over me.

Was he "my crowd" when I berated him for making comments about your daughter? You remember, you also berated me saying you didn't need me to defend you.

I realize taking a moral stand on an issue instead of a partisan one is a new concept for you, but try not to have such a selective memory in the future.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Was he "my crowd" when I berated him for making comments about your daughter? You remember, you also berated me saying you didn't need me to defend you.

I realize taking a moral stand on an issue instead of a partisan one is a new concept for you, but try not to have such a selective memory in the future.

This is tantamount to I voted for two Republicans and some of my best friends are black/gay/conservative...

One time, does not give you a pass when you return to cackling with him on everything else.

In that, you continually prove to me and a lot of other people your partisanship.

 

[Recidiva]

But since you dislike Palin (so obviously) her part in it, even though in truth zero, is worth many posts and she should feel and admit guilt for the entire incident even though you (and nearly every thinking person) knows is not her guilt. She had a political ad and her political opponents are using it for their own ends, but she should bow down and humbly say, "yes I wanted Gifford Dead?"

Palin, just like everyone else "targets" political seats. Bad rhetoric possibly - but not ONE person ever thought (including the shooter in this case) that she meant for people to go kill politicians. But no worries, we'll soon have legislation against using the word Target or symbols with an "X" or crosshair or any picture approximating firearms or firearm sights in anything other than shooting sports brochures. We'll be safe then from the english language.

You are letting your personal dislike for her stand in the way of your normally decent judgement.

Naaah. I dislike her based on reason. I'm defending her despite my dislike of her. I think she's being attacked unfairly.

I don't think she should be tarred and feathered. I think she made her situation worse by not doing the smart thing, but when has she ever done the smart thing?

I've said both sides are just as guilty.

Thanks for saying I have decent judgment though. That's sweet. (That is not a snarky statment, it's genuine.)

 

[RobDownSouth]

Oh lookie what I found:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5086/5337787583_46e3345550_m.jpg

Damn, those surveyor symbols are everywhere!

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/house/jared-lee-loughner-was-a-regis.html

Liar...

http://egsc.usgs.gov/isb/pubs/booklets/symbols/topomapsymbols.pdf

 

[zipman]

This is tantamount to I voted for two Republicans and some of my best friends are black/gay/conservative...

One time, does not give you a pass when you return to cackling with him on everything else.

In that, you continually prove to me and a lot of other people your partisanship.

First off, I've voted for far more republicans that 2 in my life although that has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. Just an attempt at deflection on your part.

And he commented on my post, I didn't comment on his. The point still stands that when I did call him out for his comments you still berated me for doing it. At least man up and be honest about the situation.

I've had countless arguments with him about other issues, most notably the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

In other words, your argument here simply isn't flying. Sorry.

 

[doctor_insanus]

Surveyor's symbols? Really?

I don't recall Sister Sarah showing off her Transit and Theodolite.

Can you reload a Compass?

God, it gets more pathetic with each passing day.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

zip, go talk to someone else...




I've had your goat since 2003.

 

[RobDownSouth]

See zip.
This is YOUR crowd...

AJ, I hate to tell you this buddy, but Zip's a Jew and I'm a Democrat.
You've already PROVEN that Democrats hate Jews so what you're saying above is logically impossible.

Besides, last month Karen Kraft PROVED that I was an alt of Zipman, anyway.

These past few days must have been a nightmare for you, AJ.

 

[mercury14]

The problem wasn't the gun.

The problem was the ACLU, the Left, the loonies and the absolute total hysterical fear of violating someone's civil rights...

It's why the insane homeless are allowed to wander the streets of our cities.

It's why our stalker/shooter wasn't in therapy and why he was allowed to get so close to his target; everyone was afraid of him but political correctness had them fawkin' paralyzed!

And then the same damned fools turn around and want to play "I told you so" over GUN control!

How about a little NUT CONTROL!!!

Please explain how you would implement "nut control". And remember, you can't use mental health services, inpatient hospitals, etc as part of your plan. Those items are all slashed to the core. Almost all secure inpatient facilities have been closed. The remaining facilities (especially in states like AZ) are extraordinarily overwhelmed. 60 patients per case manager... And the case manager has a bachelor's degree in psychology and just a couple years of experience at best....

Besides, those things are socialism.

 

[zipman]

zip, go talk to someone else...

I've had your goat since 2003.

LOL, still can't admit it when you're wrong? That's both sad and funny at the same time.

And you haven't had my goat at all but it's kind of amusing that you think you do.

It's okay with me if you want to take your toys and go home.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hey, I've done 80 posts a day on average. I've dropped off since then, but don't play the post count card. Hater.

Yes, you had your one breakout year, your one "career season".

Now you've settled down to 35 posts a day over five years.

Contrast that to AJ's 60+ posts per day for over TEN years (including hellish gusts of 100+ posts per day) and you'll see that you're no longer in the Majors!

 

[zipman]

Please explain how you would implement "nut control". And remember, you can't use mental health services, inpatient hospitals, etc as part of your plan. Those items are all slashed to the core. Almost all secure inpatient facilities have been closed. The remaining facilities (especially in states like AZ) are extraordinarily overwhelmed. 60 patients per case manager... And the case manager has a bachelor's degree in psychology and just a couple years of experience at best....

Besides, those things are socialism.

I'm sure that his plan on locking people and depriving them of their liberty won't conflict with his libertarian views.

 

[jeninflorida]

really, that is just sick

she has never said that she was fore violence, how can you do that? how can you think that? really, very sad and disappointing.....

Damn, those surveyor symbols are everywhere!

 

[Recidiva]

Yes, you had your one breakout year, your one "career season".

Now you've settled down to 35 posts a day over five years.

Contrast that to AJ's 60+ posts per day for over TEN years (including hellish gusts of 100+ posts per day) and you'll see that you're no longer in the Majors!

My post count remains about the same when I'm active, it's just that I'm gone for months at a time.

Post count does not indicate anything about the content.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Please explain how you would implement "nut control". And remember, you can't use mental health services, inpatient hospitals, etc as part of your plan. Those items are all slashed to the core. The remaining facilities (especially in states like AZ) are extraordinarily overwhelmed. 60 patients per case manager... And the case manager has a bachelor's degree in psychology and just a couple years of experience at best....

I can't implement "nut control."

As soon as I do, you would come out with 4,000 reasons of how misguided my actions were...

You're the "expert."

And that's the NUT of the problem... The well-intentioned experts and the civil liberties crowd.

It's the very thing that the iSlammers hide behind. Remember how the press came out of the woodwork to DEMAND that we use caution, reason, and tolerance in the Hassan case? His fellow mental health professionals covered for him knowing he was a ticking time bomb. What hope do we have with guys like Question Mark and Loughner?

 

[Recidiva]

really, that is just sick

she has never said that she was fore violence, how can you do that? how can you think that? really, very sad and disappointing.....

I find this to be disingenous on both sides.

She's been overblown and military and extremist.

So have Democrats. MoveOn.Org for one, in particular, I find incredibly distasteful and inflammatory.

I'd love it if they BOTH took some responsibility and said "Maybe we shouldn't have done that..."

But that'd require some perspective and responsibility. Instead I see - "But they MADE me! THEY are the mean ones!"

Disgusting.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

zip, if I didn't have your goat, you wouldn't be following me like a lost puppy looking for a handout and some "love."




I can count on one finger the number of people you've talked AT this morning, a typical morning for you...

 

[Recidiva]

zip, if I didn't have your goat, you wouldn't be following me like a lost puppy looking for a handout and some "love."




I can count on one finger the number of people you've talked AT this morning, a typical morning for you...

Sorry. Entering someone's thread to argue with them doesn't indicate stalking. It indicates being on a forum.

 

[zipman]

zip, if I didn't have your goat, you wouldn't be following me like a lost puppy looking for a handout and some "love."


I can count on one finger the number of people you've talked AT this morning, a typical morning for you...

Speaking of lost puppies, I think it's adorable the way you wait for Ish to scratch your head and say "good boy." But I digress, the bottom line is you need to make it personal and run away.

That's fine. I've never seen you man up and own up to a mistake on here. Just more "dodgeball" posting from you. Dive, dodge, duck, dip, dive.

But thanks for playing.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

merc?

Serving as chairman of a downtown advancement committee in the early and mid-'80s, I assigned a subcommittee to make an inventory of the homeless population that was thwarting our effort to lure people back to the city core after 25 years of white flight and a negative image that seemed permanent. The homeless were assaulting passersby and congregating wherever they chose -- and the police would not act.

The report was startling: of the 85 homeless in the downtown area, 80 were mental patients. And the reason the police could not act to control their behavior with arrests was also shocking. Concomitant with new rules passed in 1978 that released the mentally ill into the streets across America, a nationally linked cadre of activist law professors managed to have vagrancy and loitering laws expunged.

I approached various city and county agencies to ask what they could do to return the streets to taxpaying citizens. I was offered that look so common amongst the care-taking community, communicating the attitude that I was being mean-spirited to question the "rights" of the homeless and abusive to take action to curtail their behavior. And furthermore, the homeless were "fine" as long as they took their medications.

They obviously didn't take their meds, and we had a problem, as did cities everywhere. I decided to investigate how this ludicrous state of affairs could have happened, and I ran into nothing less than a conspiracy by the activist community to impose the homeless on America and identify the problem as the failure of the American free-market system. And they succeeded. Every day for ten years, the homeless were in the news, associated with the accusation the phenomenon itself of homelessness was caused by the unfeeling crassness of a capitalist society that throws the less fortunate on the street.

But the homeless, for the most part, were not rejects from a cruel capitalist system. They were mentally ill, creating the irony that the care-giving left conspired to mistreat these unfortunate patients and toss them out of institutions and into the street as sacrificial lambs, as a contorted vanguard elite to undermine American values. The left-wing lawyers did their bit to protect them, and Americans were made to look cruel and unfeeling in the eyes of the world.

The plot begins with British psychiatrist R.D. Laing, who theorized that schizophrenics were actually more in touch with the correct view of life than so-called "straight" people. Laing, a sort of Timothy Leary of psychiatry, experimented with patients acting as doctors, and doctors as patients, to make his point that we "squares" were out of touch, while his patients were at one with nature and inner spirituality.

It was absurd '60s pop theory, but it appealed to a Stanford graduate student named Ken Kesey, who wrote a play applying Laing's theories. The film made from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest turned into a huge hit and helped pave the way for major changes in the care of the mentally ill, which resulted in new laws in 1978 that forced institutions to release patients who could theoretically function in society -- most notably schizophrenics, since they are known to be smarter than the average bear. The point was that the mentally ill have "rights" too -- the clarion call of the era.

The homeless problem has receded, even in bad economic times, because it was actually not caused by economic cruelty. Those who still roam the streets are usually gathered up at day's end and shipped to overnight quarters --- and then transported back into the city to panhandle during the day. Like most fake social movements, advocates don't want to give up feeling good about themselves by helping out the unfortunate.

But numbers of schizophrenics are still out and among us due to the deinstitutionalization of the late 1970s. And ever since, we have experienced sudden and deadly rampages and attribute the cause to the issue du jour -- this time to vitriolic politics. The Arizona killer will claim to be insane and maintain that "voices" told him to act, as is usually the case.

But only a few will dare state the truth: these people need to be institutionalized.

Bernie Reeves
The American Thinker

 

[cookiejar]

I find this to be disingenous on both sides.

She's been overblown and military and extremist.

So have Democrats. MoveOn.Org for one, in particular, I find incredibly distasteful and inflammatory.

I'd love it if they BOTH took some responsibility and said "Maybe we shouldn't have done that..."

But that'd require some perspective and responsibility. Instead I see - "But they MADE me! THEY are the mean ones!"

Disgusting.

Another voice of reason. Thank you Reci.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Speaking of lost puppies, I think it's adorable the way you wait for Ish to scratch your head and say "good boy." But I digress, the bottom line is you need to make it personal and run away.

That's fine. I've never seen you man up and own up to a mistake on here. Just more "dodgeball" posting from you. Dive, dodge, duck, dip, dive.

But thanks for playing.

I interact with Ish about as much as you anymore...

(I would not interact with you at all if you didn't interject yourself into every conversation the same way Throb does. I'd much rather ignore the both of you.)

I've spent more time talking to Reci and Byron than Ishmael.

Ad hominem by Circumstance (class).

 

[Recidiva]

Another voice of reason. Thank you Reci.

Woot! Accused of being reasonable twice in one day. On a roll.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Sorry. Entering someone's thread to argue with them doesn't indicate stalking. It indicates being on a forum.

Yeah, but note, it's usually only my thread.

There are many, many shooter threads...