Biden says gay marriage 'inevitable'

[AllardChardon]

Biden says gay marriage 'inevitable'
from yahoo.news

WASHINGTON – Vice President Joe Biden said Friday that the country is evolving on the issue of gay marriage and he thinks it's inevitable there will be national consensus.

He said on ABC's "Good Morning America" the same thing is happening with the issue of marriage that happened with gays' service in the military.

Changes in attitudes by military leaders, those in the service and the public allowed the repeal by Congress of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that will eventually allow gays to serve openly in the military.

Biden said there is "an inevitability for a national consensus on gay marriage."

"I think the country's evolving," he said. "And I think you're going to see, you know, the next effort is probably going to be to deal with so-called DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act). He said he agreed with Obama that his position in gay marriage is "evolving."

Gay marriage is still not legal in most states. President Barack Obama recently said his feelings on the gay marriage issue are evolving, but he still believes in allowing strong civil unions that provide certain protections and legal rights that married couples have.

Obama said he is still wrestling with whether gay couples should have the right to marry, now that the change in the law will allow them to serve openly in combat.

The question came just hours after he signed landmark legislation Wednesday repealing the ban on gays serving openly in the military. The law ends the 17-year-old "don't ask, don't tell" policy that forced gays to hide their sexual orientation or face dismissal.

But in letters to the troops, the four military service chiefs warned that the ban is still in place, and will be for some time to come.

Recommendations to implement the repeal were outlined in a report last month, and now must be formed into concrete regulations. Defense officials say that they still don't know how long it will take before the Pentagon completes its implementation plan and certifies the change will not damage combat readiness. Once certified, the implementation would begin 60 days later.

 

[mynameisben]

Biden has a boyfriend. Who knew.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Obama said he is still wrestling with whether gay couples should have the right to marry, now that the change in the law will allow them to serve openly in combat.

What a dilemma.

 

[TE999]

Joe 'BiteMe' couldn't give two fucks in a rat's ass about DADT or DOMA; he's pandering to what he perceives as a voting bloc as any good politician would. He's found another parade to get in front of and act like he's leading it.

With his track record on predictions, I wouldn't put much stock in anything he says.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I would respectfully request of Allard that she stop posting items like this in Ah. Those few of us who are GLBT or allied, get this news in our inboxes and elsewhere, in a never-ending flood.

It's tiresome to see comments like Ben's implying that only a closeted gay man would have any interest in gay rights; and then there's TE999 and his ilk who bang on that Tea Party drum all day and night. Please, stop providing them with a venue for ignorance and snarkery.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Joe 'BiteMe' couldn't give two fucks in a rat's ass about DADT or DOMA; he's pandering to what he perceives as a voting bloc as any good politician would. He's found another parade to get in front of and act like he's leading it.

With his track record on predictions, I wouldn't put much stock in anything he says.

You got it! But more importantly, he's pandering to what he KNOWS is a BIG source of political contributions.

"Overall contributions from people and political action committees associated with gay rights interests dropped more than 58 percent..." "...The gay community is learning that the Democratic Party won't fight for them," Aravosis continued. "And they already knew that the Republicans wouldn't."
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/11/gay-rights-donations-plummet-amid-c.html

 

[AllardChardon]

Stella, unlike you, I do not receive gay rights updates and do find the political wave of gay acceptance very interesting.

I am not necessarily providing anything other than a chance to know what is happening in the national news today. Comments are voluntary. I rarely make a comment in the first posting for that very reason.

Many people on LIT say the same things over and over, but I find that is true in REAL time as well. People love to expound their opinions and this is a forum, after all.

Merry Christmas to All!

 

[voluptuary_manque]

But will we live to see the acceptance of group marriage? It's a much easier plot bunny for me to write about than GLBT. Of course, what the various members of any given group decide to do in the story is up to them . . .

 

[TE999]

I would respectfully request of Allard that she stop posting items like this in Ah. Those few of us who are GLBT or allied, get this news in our inboxes and elsewhere, in a never-ending flood.

It's tiresome to see comments like Ben's implying that only a closeted gay man would have any interest in gay rights; and then there's TE999 and his ilk who bang on that Tea Party drum all day and night. . Please, stop providing them with a venue for ignorance and snarkery.

I don't belong to the Tea Party, Stella. My opinions are mine and mine alone. For someone who supposedly dislikes intolerance, you exhibit a remarkable tendency for it yourself. You best confine yourself to the GLBT forum where no one will post anything you disagree with...like a heteros opinion.

Happy Holidays.

 

[Wildcard Ky]

I agree that it's inevitable, and ironically enough, I think the repeal of DADT will be the single biggest driving factor.

The entire philosiphy of the military is based on either a member being single, or having a spouse.

FAMILIES are the only ones able to get into military housing unit. In the military, FAMILY is defined as spouse and/or children.

If both people are active duty military, you fall under the joint spouse program which assigns you and your spouse to the same base.

As of now, openly gay people in the military can not qualify for either of those programs. There is no avenue for them to be assigned to the same base with their partner, because it's not their spouse.

A "married" member gets healthcare for their spouse, gets more pay, etc.

Is this equal opportunity and treatment? Absolutely not.

The repeal of DADT is going to force the federal government to change how it view homosexual relationships. It will force them to provide an avenue for gays and lesbians to achieve equal legal status with a hetero couple because of the policies of it's own military.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

DearReader,

Our STELLA has serious control issues that go back to potty training days.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Yup, just like race relations, 'mainstreaming' begins in the military. There's much to be said for an authoritarian system sometimes.

 

[Stella_Omega]

WCK, that's well said. If we are allowed to die for our country, we should be allowed to live a whole life in our country....

I betcha though that these financial issues are going to make the final, actual, practical, repeal of DADT take a verrryyyy..... loooong..... tiiiime..... NOT because of troops safety or cohesion or anything like that, but because it will cost the government more money.

 

[mynameisben]

It's tiresome to see comments like Ben's implying that only a closeted gay man would have any interest in gay rights.

Oh, go ahead and be tired. With my blessing, of course. Mind reading and omniscience is very taxing business.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Oh, go ahead and be tired. With my blessing, of course. Mind reading and omniscience is very taxing business.

Did you mean something else?

 

[mynameisben]

Did you mean something else?

I meant it as a harmless joke, and nothing more. But if you're hellbent on reading more into it, have at it. Again, with my blessing.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I meant it as a harmless joke, and nothing more. I am very sorry that it was so inept, I know this is a sensitive issue.

Thanks, Ben, I really appreciate that.

Merry Christmas to you!

 

[xssve]

I would respectfully request of Allard that she stop posting items like this in Ah. Those few of us who are GLBT or allied, get this news in our inboxes and elsewhere, in a never-ending flood.

It's tiresome to see comments like Ben's implying that only a closeted gay man would have any interest in gay rights; and then there's TE999 and his ilk who bang on that Tea Party drum all day and night. Please, stop providing them with a venue for ignorance and snarkery.

As if the teabaggers would stop if nobody posted news items like this.

It's probably genetic, like being gay, they've both always been with us, always will be, homosexuals are just less annoying - if it weren't for the teabaggers, nobody would probably even notice homosexuals.

 

[Stella_Omega]

As if the teabaggers would stop if nobody posted news items like this.

It's probably genetic, like being gay, they've both always been with us, always will be, homosexuals are just less annoying - if it weren't for the teabaggers, nobody would probably even notice homosexuals.

One in ten are genetically ignorant homophobes?

 

[xssve]

Or in denial, since homophobe is technically a term for fear of ones own repressed latent homosexuality, projection basically.

 

[sr71plt]

Or in denial, since homophobe is technically a term for fear of ones own repressed latent homosexuality, projection basically.

Oh? Who bastardized the real definition to claim this one was technically correct?

 

[TxRad]

Oh? Who bastardized the real definition to claim this one was technically correct?

Someone who is basically projecting.

 

[xssve]

That is the real definition.

George Weinberg is credited as the first person to have used the term in speech.[9] The word homophobia first appeared in print in an article written for the May 23, 1969, edition of the American tabloid Screw, in which the word was used to refer to heterosexual men's fear that others might think they are gay.

Wikipedia: Homophobia

 

[Stella_Omega]

That is the real definition.

No, sweetie, it is not. The definition is very basic; "A fear or hatred of gay, lesbian, possibly transsexual or transsgendered, people."

Projection might be a reason for the phobia-- but a reason is not a definition.

 

[xssve]

It is the original meaning of the word, it's been "bastardized" to refer to any fear of homosexuality, regardless of the underlying cause.