Dave: NOT Cancer Free, thanks to Amicus and his ilk

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DeeZire

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As I mentioned in the TCE thread last June, my GF’s 25 year-old kid has leukemia, most likely caused by his Mom’s exposure to toxic chemicals in the workplace. GF was working in a non-union shop assembling circuit boards while she was pregnant. Safety standards were lax, and she was exposed to TCE, a toxic solvent that causes cancer, birth defects, and elevated levels of leukemia in offspring. If OSHA had inspected the place, they would have shut it down in a heartbeat, and Dave would be a normal guy today, not a cancer patient waiting out a death sentence. (26 years ago, employees were unaware of the dangers of TCE, while those hazards were common knowledge to employers.)

Why is this Ami’s fault? Ami has always been fervently anti-OSHA, anti-government regulation, anti-anything that has to do with protecting the working class at the expense of the almighty bottom line. Unfortunately, in this case, Ami is getting the last laugh. Dave’s employer took out a very lucrative life insurance policy on him before he got sick, which is pretty common in the business world, even though Dave was a new hire at entry level. As long as they keep Dave on the payroll, they get the tax-free payout when he dies. I’m guessing it’ll be at least $100k or more. Granted, keeping him on the payroll while he’s out sick allows him to keep his health insurance, but if he does die, the $100k payout does not go to help pay for the 20% of his hospital bills that won’t be covered by insurance. The hospital will be forced to eat those expenses while Dave’s employer cashes the check - another win for Ami’s better-than-thou crowd.

Dave is still undergoing chemo as an outpatient at the university hospital. We still don’t have a prognosis, although when he was admitted his doctors said he would have been dead within a month without treatment. A bone marrow transplant is his last resort, and so far, it’s not on the schedule. Dave still hangs out with his friends, but he was forced to give up his drummer gigs, since he doesn’t have the strength or stamina for that right now. Fortunately for Dave, the voters in Arizona just passed a medical marijuana initiative - by a 3,000 vote margin out of 1.5 million votes cast. It won’t be implemented until summer. I pray to God Dave lives long enough to benefit from it.

After all this, I find it very hard to put up with the anti-government regulation zealots who frequent this place. 25 year-old kids should not have to die because of corporate greed, and corporations should not be allowed to collect financial windfalls for those deaths. It’s unconscionable - or, to put it another way - it’s Ami’s dream utopia. The fact that Ami is trolling for sympathy at the same time that Dave is struggling for his life makes me want to puke.

The other day, GF mentioned that if she could trade places with her son to save his life, she’d do it in a heartbeat. Personally, I’d rather see Ami trade places with him. That would be my idea of utopia - a place where the unscrupulous and the uncaring take responsibility for their actions, and their ideology.

(Please, no “roses” for Dave. He doesn’t visit this forum, and neither do I. I just thought I’d drop in with an update.)
 
So it's Amicus's fault that your GF's brat has cancer? I don't know either you or Ami, but you strike me as a contemptuous douche bag. I wish for nothing but the best for your little tumor-magnet, but to blame his misfortunes on somebody whose politics you disagree with strikes me as monumentally petty.
 
So it's Amicus's fault that your GF's brat has cancer? I don't know either you or Ami, but you strike me as a contemptuous douche bag. I wish for nothing but the best for your little tumor-magnet, but to blame his misfortunes on somebody whose politics you disagree with strikes me as monumentally petty.

Talk about "contemptuous douche bags"....take a look in the mirror sometime. See if you can stand looking yourself in the eye after the bullshit you just said about someone's dying kid.

What a piece of shit you are.
 
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I respond to this thread, not because my psuedonym is in the title, or because I have been slandered and vilified without cause, but because of the abject ignorance of the poster and his/her beliefs.

There is sadness in human life, and tragedy, which is why most people express a faith in a deity and have hopes for a better life in the hereafter.

Not all children are born perfect and not all lives progress without disease or illness and accidental trauma; that is why we have medicines and doctors and nurses and hospitals and an infrastructure of care from birth to death.

There are a great many diseases now under control, such as small pox, diptheria, whooping cough, polio, tuberculosis, mumps and many more because of corporate medicine, research and development within those corporations that have no funding or intellectual input from any government agency.

Breast cancer, as I understand, is the number one killer of women, do you blame that on corporate greed also?

The Socialist dream world of life free from want, with all needs met, is just that, a dream world. The real world is composed of individual men and women working to make a better world for themselves and their children. Government, at best, can protect their rights and maintain order in society. Government, at worst, can control each and every phase of human life, destroy the individual and, as an end result, produce poorer conditions for humanity.

I truly regret the circumstances of your acquaintance and offer my best wishes for his recovery.

Deezire functions well in hindsight, unfortunately, life, real life, comes with no guaranteed recipe to follow to health and success. Humanity had to learn the hard way that even minor transgressions in hygiene can lead to Cholera and a host of diseases associated with filth and human waste.

Humanity had to learn the hard way that denuding the forests led to erosion and the destruction of fish and animal habitat, but we do learn and we do manage our environment, if left to ourselves to learn and to become responsible for our actions.

Humans are mortal; we age and change and suffer the ravages of physical and mental failure. Nothing can change that and nothing should change that as the fragility of life gives it value; we act to protect and preserve our lives and those of our offspring.

If anything, by its very nature, your OSHA and your regulatory functions of government, are programmed and instructed to follow the rules of the past that bind them and inevitably lead them to obsolence and restrict, forbid and stultify innovations that would solve the problems instead of cast them in stone to remain forever.

Your last great CDC campaign to vaccinate against the H1N1 virus actually killed more people than the disease did itself, as it did before in 1976.

Government control of medicine, healthcare, is no panacea to cure disease or even comfort the ill and the terminally ill. If any thing, as evidenced every where it has been tried, the 'cost/benefit' ratio, sacrifices the very young and the very old as a matter of the logical expenditure of available funds.

It always comes down to the bottom line between the dreamers of socialism and those advocates of freedom. You always seem ever so willing to trade your freedom for a promised security that is never fulfilled.

The scented and antibiotic Kleenex you use to tend your dripping nose and the antiseptic handspray you use to protect your children are all the products of Corporate America you hate so much.

The government post office lost 8.5 billion dollars in the past year and the service remains poor....yet you want federal control of medicine....

Blame me, blame any one you wish for your foibles, but know that your communal dependence on others for your well being is the real 800 pound gorilla in your single bed.

Amicus
 
I've been reading accounts of government fuck-ups from World War 2. Some of them are incredible.

One poor Marine was carried to an aid station where the MD pronounced the boy nearly dead; the kid was positioned beneath a palm tree and abandoned. Several days later he was still alive, examined once again, and abandoned once more to die. To make a long story short, Japanese naval fire finally killed him. He coulda been sent to a navy hospital ship long before the Japs got him but he was expected to die.

In Vietnam I was sent to the dispensary with a fractured skull and several broken teeth. The MD examined me, gave me some aspirin, and sent me away because he was leaving on R&R for one week.

The government has a license to fuck up however it wants.
 
Good post, DeeZire. Yep it's the combined self-possessed, "just me" people of society represented so well by Amicus--and others posting here--that are the barrier to a healthier society.

And I think Stella's continued poking at Ami on other threads about who is paying for his health care while he pretends to be going it alone is quite apt.
 
Oh I am so so very sorry... living with that kind of guilt as a mother is going to be so hard, no matter what happens... even if she didn't know (and of course she didn't, otherwise she wouldn't have exposed herself or her baby to such a thing and yes she should have been informed by the corporation she was working for if they knew!) And I'm hoping for the very best possible outcome for her son, either way. :heart:

Corporate greed is killing all of us, either metaphorically or literally. All of us. I mourn for every single one. :rose:
 
As I mentioned in the TCE thread last June, my GF’s 25 year-old kid has leukemia, most likely caused by his Mom’s exposure to toxic chemicals in the workplace. GF was working in a non-union shop assembling circuit boards while she was pregnant. Safety standards were lax, and she was exposed to TCE, a toxic solvent that causes cancer, birth defects, and elevated levels of leukemia in offspring. If OSHA had inspected the place, they would have shut it down in a heartbeat, and Dave would be a normal guy today, not a cancer patient waiting out a death sentence. (26 years ago, employees were unaware of the dangers of TCE, while those hazards were common knowledge to employers.)

Why is this Ami’s fault? Ami has always been fervently anti-OSHA, anti-government regulation, anti-anything that has to do with protecting the working class at the expense of the almighty bottom line.

If anybody is at fault, it is OSHA. They failed to exercise their Gestapo-like powers to ensure safe working conditions.
 
In Amicus's defense, the man you see posting and the man behind the title are two different people. Despite what people think, he's a very smart and caring man, very kind as well.

there is another lit person here going through horrible leukememia, she doesn't post about the hell she is going through, she didn't get it from anything in particular, she just got it and its horrible.

No one is to blame for cancer. My dad worked in shit conditions with lead, but he died not from his emphsyma (sp) or the lead....he died from an abdominal aneurysm suddenly. I was there when it burst and took his life....I was the last one to talk to him.....I did everything I could to keep him comfortable in his last minutes of life.

So instead of bitching....think.
 
In Amicus's defense, the man you see posting and the man behind the title are two different people. Despite what people think, he's a very smart and caring man, very kind as well.

there is another lit person here going through horrible leukememia, she doesn't post about the hell she is going through, she didn't get it from anything in particular, she just got it and its horrible.

No one is to blame for cancer. My dad worked in shit conditions with lead, but he died not from his emphsyma (sp) or the lead....he died from an abdominal aneurysm suddenly. I was there when it burst and took his life....I was the last one to talk to him.....I did everything I could to keep him comfortable in his last minutes of life.

So instead of bitching....think.

Everyone needs a little corner of their world where they can be stupid and uncaring.
 
I'm sorry for any suffering that you're going through and I sympathize with the impulse to lash out when you're in pain. But that's where it ends. You can't maintain any moral high ground when you just spent all your sympathy in an ugly rant.

Sure, Ami is guilty of unpalatable opinions, but causing cancer? Shame on you. This is pure wrath and it's misplaced. Life causes horrible things. You don't have to.
 
Amicus isn't to blame for this cancer.

Everyone who sticks his/her head in the sand and goes beyond "I won't pay" to "I'll do everything I can to keep anyone else from solving these problems" is to blame.

So, yes, Amicus is to blame. By his own behavior.

Another head in the sander, I take it?
 
Everyone who sticks his/her head in the sand and goes beyond "I won't pay" to "I'll do everything I can to keep anyone else from solving these problems" is to blame.

So, yes, Amicus is to blame. By his own behavior.

Another head in the sander, I take it?

Yeah, I disagree with your premise and I think it's a ridiculous argument.

If my head were in the sand, you wouldn't see it.
 
don't go there.

Why, because you'll get all depressed and suicidal on me? Tough.

Yes, mankind has created and not controlled some cancers--when it could be doing so; yes, those standing in the way of improving health standards overall because of their selfishness and ignorance have a share in the blame.

So, you can take your "don't go there" and stick it where the sun don't shine.

This is all ugly, yes--and the Amicuses of the world just make it uglier.

The sweet guy you proclaim hasn't shown up in my inbox, babe.
 
Yeah, I disagree with your premise and I think it's a ridiculous argument.

If my head were in the sand, you wouldn't see it.

I don't see it, do I? Or are you, oh my gosh, telling me you have the head of a lit candle. :D
 
Why, because you'll get all depressed and suicidal on me? Tough.

Yes, mankind has created and not controlled some cancers--when it could be doing so; yes, those standing in the way of improving health standards overall because of their selfishness and ignorance have a share in the blame.

So, you can take your "don't go there" and stick it where the sun don't shine.

This is all ugly, yes--and the Amicuses of the world just make it uglier.

The sweet guy you proclaim hasn't shown up in my inbox, babe.

Fuck you. You have no idea.
 
In Amicus's defense, the man you see posting and the man behind the title are two different people. Despite what people think, he's a very smart and caring man, very kind as well.

there is another lit person here going through horrible leukememia, she doesn't post about the hell she is going through, she didn't get it from anything in particular, she just got it and its horrible.

No one is to blame for cancer. My dad worked in shit conditions with lead, but he died not from his emphsyma (sp) or the lead....he died from an abdominal aneurysm suddenly. I was there when it burst and took his life....I was the last one to talk to him.....I did everything I could to keep him comfortable in his last minutes of life.

So instead of bitching....think.
I don't usually condone discussing cancer on a sex site unless one is willing to discuss how the illness affects sex or how one changes their POV on the people they love. Nevertheless, lets discuss it. When my mom was first diagnosed with breast cancer and had one of her boobs cut off she didn't want anyone to see her body, not even her husband. Why not start here.
 
I don't usually condone discussing cancer on a sex site unless one is willing to discuss how the illness affects sex or how one changes their POV on the people they love. Nevertheless, lets discuss it. When my mom was first diagnosed with breast cancer and had one of her boobs cut off she didn't want anyone to see her body, not even her husband. Why not start here.

People with cancer change
 
In Amicus's defense, the man you see posting and the man behind the title are two different people. Despite what people think, he's a very smart and caring man, very kind as well.
Here he is not smart, is not caring. Whatever he is elsewhere doesn't mean jack shit to me, because I have never seen it from him.

here is a man who sneers and insults and belittles, engages in all forms of bad faith argument. Is that for fun?

If so, why does he think its fun? Something is wrong with that kind of fun.

And why should anyone care? he walks like an asshole, he quacks like an asshole. He has never once not quacked like an asshole. Everything he's ever said here reinforces his asshole persona. Tell me he's really a nice man and I'll have to laugh at you.
there is another lit person here going through horrible leukememia, she doesn't post about the hell she is going through, she didn't get it from anything in particular, she just got it and its horrible.
Does she have health insurance? Imagine how much more horrible it would be to have horrible leukemia with no recourse at all to medical help.
No one is to blame for cancer. My dad worked in shit conditions with lead, but he died not from his emphsyma (sp) or the lead....he died from an abdominal aneurysm suddenly. I was there when it burst and took his life....I was the last one to talk to him.....I did everything I could to keep him comfortable in his last minutes of life.

So instead of bitching....think.
many cancers are preventable, if the work place deems it worth preventing.

Your dad wouldn't die from lead exposure, the child of the woman working next to him-- that child would be born with lead related health issues that might possibly kill it.

What do you suggest DeeZire do, sit down and shut up? What you call "Bitching" I call "Telling the truth.
 
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