Does openly supporting an obvious racist (Ginny) make one a racist?

[Dixon Carter Lee]

He's probably one of the only people here who will get an obscure Pippin joke. And that counts.

Hah. Karen probably thought she finally had a "Let's get DCL!" buddy.

Did you hear Jill Clayburgh (the original "Catherine" in Pippin) died? I liked her.

 

[Recidiva]

Hah. Karen probably thought she finally had a "Let's get DCL!" buddy.

Did you hear Jill Clayburgh (the original "Catherine" in Pippin) died? I liked her.

Yeah, I make a really unreliable buddy. I will agree with people if I agree with them, and I'll disagree with people if I disagree with them. I'm consistent, at least. If not...ever...popular for any reason whatsoever. But that's okay.

Aw, hell. Death sucks. I liked her too.

 

[pointless]

I don't know what making eight the hard way means.

The point is that I can choose and you can't choose for me.

I'm not a man.

rolling two fours.

 

[Recidiva]

rolling two fours.

Oh. Thank you. Isn't it just as easy to roll a five and a three or a six and a two?

Is this something poetical that I'm being literal about? I do that a lot, I hear.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I don't know what making eight the hard way means.

I should have said making your "point" the hard way. In craps some "points" are easy to make, and some are hard. Actually, eight is an easy point to make, because you can roll a variety of dice combinations to get it (like two and six, or three and five, or four and four) Five is a hard point to make, because the number of dice combinations you have to roll are fewer (one and four, two and three), and, therefore, it's a harder number to "hit". So, when someone says you're trying to make your point the hard way, they're making an allusion to a craps game where your point is something hard to roll twice in row, like a five.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

rolling two fours.

Right. That's making the point 8 the hard way, because both dice have to be the same, (though you don't actually have to roll to fours to win, so 8 itself isn't a hard point).

You'd think the odds of rolling 4 and 4 would be the same as rolling a 3 and a 5, but they're actually higher. I think. Let me check my Hoyle.

 

[Sonny Limatina]

Oh. Thank you. Isn't it just as easy to roll a five and a three or a six and a two?

Is this something poetical that I'm being literal about? I do that a lot, I hear.

(No, there are two ways to roll a six and a two using two dice: a six on Die A and a two on Die B, or a two on Die A and a six on Die B. There's only one way to roll an 8 with a four on each die. That makes that way the "hard" way.)

 

[Karen Kraft]

Originally Posted by Dixon Carter Lee View Post
Hah. Karen probably thought she finally had a "Let's get DCL!" buddy.

I am not interested. nor do I support any such "Let's get DCL!" sentiments.

As you may know, I have offered the olive branch to you for the better part of two years now, but you continue to take Throb's word in support of the theory that I am an evil person. Now, I know that liberal people have difficulty discussing opposing points of view without vilifying others but, if you look back, you began calling me names when you realized that I supported Hillary over Obama during the 2008 primaries, saying some pretty nasty shit to and about me at that time.

I'm used to that sort of thing (obviously) but not from friends. The haste with which you dumped me into the "Iron My Shirt, Bitch!" category was distressing and yes, it hurt my feelings. Why? Because you and EmeraldEye were the only two people who saw the troubled and angry barely-18-year-old and encouraged me to learn the rules of the General Board and to stick with it.

We haven't communicated with each other for a very long time, and then I notice your thread dedicated to encouraging people to put me on Ignore. I think that says a lot more about you than me.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

(No, there are two ways to roll a six and a two using two dice: a six on Die A and a two on Die B, or a two on Die A and a six on Die B. There's only one way to roll an 8 with a four on each die. That makes that way the "hard" way.)

Ba-da-bing.

Now let's discuss Blackjack, where actual skill comes in to play and you have the best odds in the house (except for Baccarat, which they play behind velvet ropes, so fuck 'em)...

 

[Karen Kraft]

Oh. Thank you. Isn't it just as easy to roll a five and a three or a six and a two?

Is this something poetical that I'm being literal about? I do that a lot, I hear.

When a two-dice combination result only allows each die one option, it is called "the hard way," except a roll of two. Or a roll of twelve. Hahahahahaha.

Ha.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Agreed.

I'm also pretty sure he never actually graduated from Berkley like he told all those Samaritan chicks after Matthew's rave that one night.

 

[Recidiva]

I should have said making your "point" the hard way. In craps some "points" are easy to make, and some are hard. Actually, eight is an easy point to make, because you can roll a variety of dice combinations to get it (like two and six, or three and five, or four and four) Five is a hard point to make, because the number of dice combinations you have to roll are fewer (one and four, two and three), and, therefore, it's a harder number to "hit". So, when someone says you're trying to make your point the hard way, they're making an allusion to a craps game where your point is something hard to roll twice in row, like a five.

Ahah. Okay, I get that. Thanks. I'm not sure why they'd call it craps if they want me to play, but oh well.

I married someone that had no theater background. He saw "A Fish Called Wanda" and thought that Kevin Kline was an idiot. His idea was that an actor was hired because the person was the character. I must say I freaked out. Had I known this ahead of time, I probably wouldn't have married him. But at the time there wasn't much more I could do than say "Oh, hell no" and encourage him to audition for a play, which he did...and NEVER SAY anything like that again...which he didn't. But that had much more of a shocking impact on my life than Ginny's comment. We still got divorced. Not over Kevin Kline, but that didn't help.

I write stories. I asked Ginny lots of questions about stories. She always helped, and by that I mean she was always able to be more frank and less prissy than other people might be. Real, honest help to my questions. Many of which were absolutely inappropriate and intrusive and would help me write better. She give me answers. So I've actually asked her for favors of information and she's given them when likely other people would have told me to fuck off. Ginny's "voice" is now one I can use to draw a character that is unlike me because she let me see the beautiful and the ugly in her, without varnish. She hung out in one of my longer running threads and was a lot of fun. No, we're not related, no, I didn't marry her, no, I haven't even...really talked to her in years. But there's enough fond memories there for me to see more to her. As she's done me some serious creative favors here, I'm inclined to be loyal. Because those favors had to do about the good, the bad and the ugly of what made her HER, yeah, I do think I owe her at least a chance to speak. I also feel I have enough of a grip on who she is as a person because of it, and I'm inclined to think I know better.

I'm shocked (not as much as the Kevin Kline thing) but now I want to see if I can get some more information.

It's not like all is forgiven or I'm trying to justify what she said or say she isn't a racist. It was racist.

The question is, does it happen once under drunken duress and she's sorry she said it, or is this the new face of Ginny?

My opinion probably doesn't matter to her or to anyone else, but I'd rather get an answer to that before I cut even tenuous online ties.

 

[Sonny Limatina]

Ba-da-bing.

Now let's discuss Blackjack, where actual skill comes in to play and you have the best odds in the house (except for Baccarat, which they play behind velvet ropes, so fuck 'em)...

That used to be my casino game. I even spent time in college learning to count cards, but all the casinos starting shifting tomore decks and multiple shuffles soon after, so I didn't get much of a chance to have my pretty ass beaten and ejected from anywhere, Hollywood style.

I actually think poker probably affords the best players the best odds in the house, since you're truly playing against the deck and the other players. But even when I was really good at poker, and playing (and winning) a lot, I was always too chicken--actually, strike that, too vain and stubborn--to go be tuna meat for the pros.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Fair enough.

I've had asshole friends that I stayed friendly with for years for similar reasons -- because of my own, positive personal association and history with them. I did find, however, when years went by, and they never grew or moved past their offensive positions, and I finally began to question them about it -- the friendship ended.

The Kevin Kline thing is hysterical.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

That used to be my casino game. I even spent time in college learning to count cards, but all the casinos starting shifting tomore decks and multiple shuffles soon after, so I didn't get much of a chance to have my pretty ass beaten and ejected from anywhere, Hollywood style.

I actually think poker probably affords the best players the best odds in the house, since you're truly playing against the deck and the other players. But even when I was really good at poker, and playing (and winning) a lot, I was always too chicken--actually, strike that, too vain and stubborn--to go be tuna meat for the pros.

I don't count poker because it's not a house game (they just take a cut).

Counting cards is insanely hard, and doesn't work if you've got some dickwad sitting in the anchor seat hitting on sixteen when the dealer's got a ten showing. I always take that seat myself, and leave the table the SECOND someone who doesn't know how to play sits down. Play conservatively, press your bets when it counts, take advantage of the double-downs, never buy insurance, never go "all in", figure every fourth or fifth card is a ten, leave when an idiot sits at the table, play for less than four hours, and 7 times out of 10 you'll make money.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Ahah. Okay, I get that. Thanks. I'm not sure why they'd call it craps if they want me to play, but oh well.

I married someone that had no theater background. He saw "A Fish Called Wanda" and thought that Kevin Kline was an idiot. His idea was that an actor was hired because the person was the character. I must say I freaked out. Had I known this ahead of time, I probably wouldn't have married him. But at the time there wasn't much more I could do than say "Oh, hell no" and encourage him to audition for a play, which he did...and NEVER SAY anything like that again...which he didn't. But that had much more of a shocking impact on my life than Ginny's comment. We still got divorced. Not over Kevin Kline, but that didn't help.

I write stories. I asked Ginny lots of questions about stories. She always helped, and by that I mean she was always able to be more frank and less prissy than other people might be. Real, honest help to my questions. Many of which were absolutely inappropriate and intrusive and would help me write better. She give me answers. So I've actually asked her for favors of information and she's given them when likely other people would have told me to fuck off. Ginny's "voice" is now one I can use to draw a character that is unlike me because she let me see the beautiful and the ugly in her, without varnish. She hung out in one of my longer running threads and was a lot of fun. No, we're not related, no, I didn't marry her, no, I haven't even...really talked to her in years. But there's enough fond memories there for me to see more to her. As she's done me some serious creative favors here, I'm inclined to be loyal. Because those favors had to do about the good, the bad and the ugly of what made her HER, yeah, I do think I owe her at least a chance to speak. I also feel I have enough of a grip on who she is as a person because of it, and I'm inclined to think I know better.

I'm shocked (not as much as the Kevin Kline thing) but now I want to see if I can get some more information.

It's not like all is forgiven or I'm trying to justify what she said or say she isn't a racist. It was racist.

The question is, does it happen once under drunken duress and she's sorry she said it, or is this the new face of Ginny?

My opinion probably doesn't matter to her or to anyone else, but I'd rather get an answer to that before I cut even tenuous online ties.

Oh, hell.

She says stuff because she doesn't give a flying damn.

So call her lawyer and set up an appointment.

I've called LT a "nigger" twice already, in eight years, I do believe.

So fucking put me on ignore, or sue me, or whatever it is you think you have to do.

These are words.

They aren't bullets nor bombs.

 

[Recidiva]

Fair enough.

I've had asshole friends that I stayed friendly with for years for similar reasons -- because of my own, positive personal association and history with them. I did find, however, when years went by, and they never grew or moved past their offensive positions, and I finally began to question them about it -- the friendship ended.

The Kevin Kline thing is hysterical.

Cool. And I agree with you on your conclusions. I've only had about an hour to think about it, so it's in early stages. I don't have much of an investment in Ginny now, as she hasn't been seen for years really, but I see no reason to sell her stock just yet, sorta thing. I'm even less likely to if there's a public stoning. If that makes people angry that I'm not throwing rocks, fine. I find the premise to be fallacious. It's not like if I hang out with Nobel Prize winners, I therefore have a Nobel Prize. That'd be cool though.

It's a funny story. I also got the chance to say "To call you stupid would be an insult to stupid people!"

 

[Karen Kraft]

Ahah. Okay, I get that.


1. Thanks. I'm not sure why they'd call it craps if they want me to play, but oh well.

[snip]

2. The question is, does it happen once under drunken duress and she's sorry she said it, or is this the new face of Ginny?

My opinion probably doesn't matter to her or to anyone else, but I'd rather get an answer to that before I cut even tenuous online ties.

1. The game was an Arabic game called "hazard." Over the centuries it found its way to England where it continued to be played under that name. When the French decided to start playing it, they had to change the name to "craps" (a bastardization of "crabs") so as to distinguish themselves from evil English people... so it is said.

2. I'm not sure why people put other people on Iggy based on third-party communication. My Iggy list only has people who have been rude or dishonest to me and, of course, those who post pictures of poo and such. Why one would want to shun someone based on an unpopular or ugly point of view is beyond my understanding, this being a "discussion" board. For many here, it seems more like a game of King of the Hill, where the idea is to banish those with opposing points of view. Were that sort of thing to become successful, the place would end up feeling like Dryer Lint.

But that's just my opinion; I'm usually 100% wrong.

 

[Recidiva]

Oh, hell.

She says stuff because she doesn't give a flying damn.

So call her lawyer and set up an appointment.

I've called LT a "nigger" twice already, in eight years, I do believe.

So fucking put me on ignore, or sue me, or whatever it is you think you have to do.

These are words.

They aren't bullets nor bombs.

Dude. I DO have you on ignore.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Dude. I DO have you on ignore.

Super.

 

[Luk]

2. I'm not sure why people put other people on Iggy based on third-party communication. My Iggy list only has people who have been rude or dishonest to me and, of course, those who post pictures of poo and such. Why one would want to shun someone based on an unpopular or ugly point of view is beyond my understanding, this being a "discussion" board. For many here, it seems more like a game of King of the Hill, where the idea is to banish those with opposing points of view. Were that sort of thing to become successful, the place would end up feeling like Dryer Lint.

But that's just my opinion; I'm usually 100% wrong.

I see KKK is being hypocritical. Again.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=712895

 

[Byron In Exile]

Dude. I DO have you on ignore.

Oh, wait, why were you responding to my post?

Fuck, never mind... let's just both pretend that you're ignoring me.

 

[Recidiva]

1. The game was an Arabic game called "hazard." Over the centuries it found its way to England where it continued to be played under that name. When the French decided to start playing it, they had to change the name to "craps" (a bastardization of "crabs") so as to distinguish themselves from evil English people... so it is said.

2. I'm not sure why people put other people on Iggy based on third-party communication. My Iggy list only has people who have been rude or dishonest to me and, of course, those who post pictures of poo and such. Why one would want to shun someone based on an unpopular or ugly point of view is beyond my understanding, this being a "discussion" board. For many here, it seems more like a game of King of the Hill, where the idea is to banish those with opposing points of view. Were that sort of thing to become successful, the place would end up feeling like Dryer Lint.

But that's just my opinion; I'm usually 100% wrong.

1. Hah. Made me giggle.

2. Ignore is usually used (by me) as a tool to avoid seeing the threads that people start. I usually "view post" from time to time if I think someone's talking to me, or if I started a thread. Sometimes I've just had enough of a person and I need a break and sometimes it's the first time I've seen someone and I'm sure I don't want to see more, and sometimes it's because I'm in an ignorey mood. It's customizable to my needs and just as whimsical. I had a friend on here say they put Glinda on ignore because they hate seeing kissy emoticons. It's a silly reason, but stuff gets used for silly reasons. It doesn't have a universal purpose.

 

[Recidiva]

Oh, wait, why were you responding to my post?

Fuck, never mind... let's just both pretend that you're ignoring me.

I can click "view post" and so far I haven't seen any compelling reason to take you OFF. As it is I just don't usually see you unless someone else re-posts.

You ended up on ignore with your rant about how giving charity to Haiti was a destructive and stupid act. That's some serious what the fuck. That and your rants against TV being some diabolical plot to lower IQ.

I've adored posting with you in the past and it's painful to see you be bitter and cruel and garbled to the point where I think you're as drunk as Ginny. I've said this before, and you just...don't...retain this information.

I'd love it if you were as witty and charming and fun to post with in the past. You're not and that's a shame, but it's not really a secret.

 

[Karen Kraft]

1. Hah. Made me giggle.

2. Ignore is usually used (by me) as a tool to avoid seeing the threads that people start. I usually "view post" from time to time if I think someone's talking to me, or if I started a thread. Sometimes I've just had enough of a person and I need a break and sometimes it's the first time I've seen someone and I'm sure I don't want to see more, and sometimes it's because I'm in an ignorey mood. It's customizable to my needs and just as whimsical. I had a friend on here say they put Glinda on ignore because they hate seeing kissy emoticons. It's a silly reason, but stuff gets used for silly reasons. It doesn't have a universal purpose.

All that is perfectly understandable. Why stumps me, however, is the idea that someone's political outlook -- their political opinions, as distinguished from their unpleasant conduct -- could justify an unholy pogram against them.