How to describe vaginal penetration

[voluptuary_manque]

This is very useful. My current story about a girl (who is still virgin while all of her contemporaries are mothers) marrying into a group of three guys and two girls really needed this thread. Damn, but it's good to find someone writing about writing in the AH!

 

[3113]

Let me introduce you to the whole clitoris;
This is what we all know and love as a woman's pussy

[raising hand] Excuse me, Professor, but if we're discussing anatomy can we get the male gender out here, too? Just to compare and contrast, you understand

 

[MarlowBunny]

Did anyone know 30 years ago? What will we know 30 years from now?

 

[Handley_Page]

Oh, where I'd be if I'd had that lesson 20 years ago!

Here Here.
but in my case, 40 years

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Forty-five, in my case.

 

[Handley_Page]

Forty-five, in my case.

I was a late developer

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Wait...if the hymen is still intact isn't there pain associated with the tearing of that flesh? So there are nerve receptors associated with the hymen I would assume. So that first time is not just about the pressure, Bear.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

[raising hand] Excuse me, Professor, but if we're discussing anatomy can we get the male gender out here, too? Just to compare and contrast, you understand

Here's a lesson on anatomy:

The average length of the male organ is 6".

The average depth of the female vagina is 8".

That means there is a couple of million inches of unused adult vagina walking around...on average...in the world today.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Wait...if the hymen is still intact isn't there pain associated with the tearing of that flesh? So there are nerve receptors associated with the hymen I would assume. So that first time is not just about the pressure, Bear.

True, but the hymen is not inside the vagina. It's a little fold of skin around the entrance, part of the labia minora.

In some little girls, it completely covers the vaginal entrance. If any of the guys here are uncircumcised, some of them might have experienced that their foreskin didn't pull all the way back from the glans when they were young, but once they started growing hair it began to loosen up.

In the same way, the hymen begins opening up and shrinking back as a woman begins puberty. Most women don't have much of that fold left a few years past puberty-- not much pain at all. The reason virginity has been associated with pain and blood is because women were married as young as possible-- as soon as they started menses, or even before, and the hymen hadn't finished its retreat. Yeah, an immature vagina is not going to be a pain free fuck.

Here's a lesson on anatomy:

The average length of the male organ is 6".

The average depth of the female vagina is 8".

That means there is a couple of million inches of unused adult vagina walking around...on average...in the world today.

oh not to worry. The g-spot is about two inches inside the opening. A three-inch dick can make a woman very happy, if the two of them know what they're doing!

 

[voluptuary_manque]

True, but the hymen is not inside the vagina. It's a little fold of skin around the entrance, part of the labia minora.

In some little girls, it completely covers the vaginal entrance. If any of the guys here are uncircumcised, some of them might have experienced that their foreskin didn't pull all the way back from the glans when they were young, but once they started growing hair it began to loosen up.

In the same way, the hymen begins opening up and shrinking back as a woman begins puberty. Most women don't have much of that fold left a few years past puberty-- not much pain at all. The reason virginity has been associated with pain and blood is because women were married as young as possible-- as soon as they started menses, or even before, and the hymen hadn't finished its retreat. Yeah, an immature vagina is not going to be a pain free fuck.



oh not to worry. The g-spot is about two inches inside the opening. A three-inch dick can make a woman very happy, if the two of them know what they're doing!

Or a three inch clitoris can make two women very happy if they know what they're doing.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Or a three inch clitoris can make two women very happy if they know what they're doing.

or a couple of fingers making "cm'ere" gestures.

 

[3113]

Ah-hem! Where's my male anatomy lesson?

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Don't look at me. Bears are built different than you primate types. Ever hear of os penis? I've got one, your men don't. Sorry.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Ah-hem! Where's my male anatomy lesson?

We need to finish this study unit first, then we can go on to the next one.

 

[3113]

We need to finish this study unit first, then we can go on to the next one.

But I've already done all the homework AND extra credit

 

[voluptuary_manque]

But I've already done all the homework AND extra credit

Why am I not surprised?

 

[3113]

Why am I not surprised?

I just think the gifted students should be allowed to move on. Don't you?

 

[Stella_Omega]

I just think the gifted students should be allowed to move on. Don't you?

I think the gifted student should come to my classroom after school. We'll talk about moving on.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Do you find typical literotica narrations of vaginal penetration credible?

Would it be more plausible for the author to write lovingly and exclusively about the sensations of clitoral stimulation followed by basking in the after glow while the male lover gets off via penetration?

Should I get over my unrealistic romantic notions about the significance of penetration?

The real quirk in the male psyche is that betrayal by a lover who had extramarital intercourse is probably perceived as worse than by a lover who had exclusively oral sex even though it seems like the oral sex is the bigger deal.

Thoughts? I am finding this discussion fascinating.

The thing is, physical sensation is not that big a deal in writing erotica, or in real sex either. If sex were just a matter of sensation, then women would be happier with vibrators than with men, and men would use artificial vaginas and leave women alone. How likely is that to happen?

So you have to ask yourself, what makes making love with a woman so much better than just sticking your dick into a jar stuffed full of warm, raw calf's liver? The sensation would be about the same (I ASSUME ) but we'd hardly find the two experiences equivalent. Ask yourself what makes them different--that's where the real heat and eroticism of sex lie, and that's what you need to concentrate on.

Stella's got it right: the mind is the most sensitive and important erogenous zone in the body. 90% of sex is mental and emotional. The things people do to each other during sex are hot because they're expressions of inner feelings.

It's okay to tell us it hurt when it went in, or it felt wonderful. It's even better if you show us how it felt by the way she winces or gasps when he enters her, or the way she plants her feet on the bed and pushes back up to him. The art of fiction involves expressing emotion through action, and if she throws her legs wide and grabs his ass and pulls him into her, we can pretty much tell that it feels good to her. Whether it feels like pushing a test tube into a jar of vaseline or a bottle brush into a hole in a melon isn't of much concern to us.

And for Stella and the soapy finger analogy: I don't think that's apt at all. I don't have a clit (damn it!), but I think entering a woman feels more like having a six-inch clit and pushing it into your lover's pussy. Add to that the emotions of triumph, awe, gratitude, power, relief, desire, and love, and you come close.

 

[3113]

Thumbs up, Dr. M!

Terrific Post, Dr. M! Spot on, and you're right. Of course, now you've got me wondering if I can talk any guy here into sticking his dick into warm, raw cow's liver...

We can discuss all the anatomy and relative sensations out of curiosity and to gain knowledge, but like a lot of writing research, it's probably best left out of the story. I do think it benefits the writer to know it, as the writer's job is to create the bodies and minds of their characters.

The trick of erotica, however--perhaps of most writing--is to get the reader to fill in the blanks. If a writer gets the reader to feel the emotion of the character having sex, then the reader will imagine for themselves the sensation that would lead to that kind of emotion. So if our heroine is glancing at the clock while her lover pounds away, then the reader will feel with her sex that is tedious rather than stimulating. If she's clawing at the bedsheets, then the reader will feel with her sex that is very stimulating.

Get readers to identify with the characters to the point where they imagining for themselves what the characters are physically feeling and you've done your job.

 

[Stella_Omega]

hey, it wasn't my soapy finger analogy!



I totally agree though, if I am reading one of SR71plt's gay stories, and he talks about sinking balls-deep into a gorgeous man, and how that man pushes back into him with a growl of pleasure-- I have a pretty strong notion of how that feels. I might be wrong, if only I knew-- but even so, I am wrong in a way that makes my clit throb.



My aim in supplying the anatomy lesson wasn't really for the writers, but for the real bodies those writers inhabit.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

We need to finish this study unit first, then we can go on to the next one.

This could be a good place to mention some things I've learned from reading Mary Roach's book Bonk, a popular account of the history and current status of the scientific study of sex...

--I was astonished to learn that female sexual lubricant is almost entirely blood plasma, the liquid part of blood. It seeps through the walls of the vagina from blood vessels inside, which filter out the red blood cells and leukocytes and other beasties and keep them in the blood stream. A small component of this lubricant is produced by the Bartholin's glands, which secrete a small amount of oligosaccharide polymers, or mucus to you.

--The clit (whose proper pronunciation is CLIToris, and not cliTORis) engorges with blood during arousal, and may grow to twice its normal size. Women experience nocturnal tumescence just like men do, and in about the same frequency, 3 to 5 times a night on average, and almost always during REM sleep.

--The arrow shape of the head of the penis and its coronal ridge is not accidental. It's been found that this shape is very effective in clearing a woman's vagina of any semen that might already be deposited there. In fact, they actually did tests and found that on average 91% of a previously-deposited semen surrogate was removed during a normal act of coitus. (This one really has to make you think: what was going on there in those proto-hominid groups a million or so years ago?)

--The closer a woman's clit is to her vagina, the more likely she is to achieve orgasm through normal penetrative sex. The average distance is 2.5 cm or almost exactly one inch. Longer than that and her chances decrease dramatically. Closer than that and her chances increase the same way.

--Female pigs have their clits inside their vaginas. Which means either that intelligent design is a crock, or that He really is a cruel and vengeful God.

More to come...

 

[jomar]

those are some fun facts

 

[Zeb_Carter]

and a pigs orgasm lasts 30 minutes...lucky pig.

 

[3113]

--I was astonished to learn that female sexual lubricant is almost entirely blood plasma, the liquid part of blood. It seeps through the walls of the vagina from blood vessels inside

Hmmm. How do you think this might relate to the phenomena of stigmata?

Stigmata is more prevalent among women then men.