Guns in Church

[3113]

At least in Louisiana--and I presume this law allows them to do this with or without the approval of the house of worship they're attending. I mean, has it been against the law even if the house of worship invited folk to bring their guns?

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal has signed a law that will allow churchgoers to carry guns into house of worship. The bill will allow persons qualified to carry concealed weapons to bring them to churches, mosques, synagogues or other houses of worship.

Pastors, or other heads of the religious institution, are required to announce the presence of such weapons, either verbally or in weekly newsletters and bulletins.

Hey, I'm all for it. If you're not liking the sermon..."bam!"

 

[oggbashan]

At least in Louisiana--and I presume this law allows them to do this with or without the approval of the house of worship they're attending. I mean, has it been against the law even if the house of worship invited folk to bring their guns?


Hey, I'm all for it. If you're not liking the sermon..."bam!"

Pastor's announcement:

"OK, folks. Today we have fifteen semi-autos, six revolvers, two Saturday-night specials and Brother Jones has parked his tank in the parking lot next door."

Og

 

[bronzeage]

You have to understand, in Louisiana, the legislature is a kind of sheltered workshop.

There has been more than one case of a deranged and jealous husband stalking their ex-wife to church and shooting her, along with whoever else was near. This law is intended to intimidate people who do these sorts of things.

The basic premise is that the only solution to a gun problem is more guns.

People have never learned to distinguish between a capability and a right.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

You have to understand, in Louisiana, the legislature is a kind of sheltered workshop.

There has been more than one case of a deranged and jealous husband stalking their ex-wife to church and shooting her, along with whoever else was near. This law is intended to intimidate people who do these sorts of things.

The basic premise is that the only solution to a gun problem is more guns.

People have never learned to distinguish between a capability and a right.

Just you remember, Bronzeage,

Guns don't kill people. People use guns to kill people,

and everything will be alright.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Just the legislature? I was under the impression that a large part of the state was a sheltered workshop.

 

[rgraham666]

Oh, the fun I could have with a string of firecrackers.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Oh, the fun I could have with a string of firecrackers.

and just perhaps a Kevlar vest . . .

 

[Liar]

If the pastors are required to announce the presence of such weapons, it must mean that whoever carries a gun there must declare at the door that they have them.

Doesn't that kind of negate the point of a concealed weapon?

 

[bronzeage]

If the pastors are required to announce the presence of such weapons, it must mean that whoever carries a gun there must declare at the door that they have them.

Doesn't that kind of negate the point of a concealed weapon?

None of this has to make sense.

In Louisiana, it is legal to carry an unconcealed weapon in any place except where specifically prohibited. I can happily wear a gun belt and pistol on my hip and walk down the street.

There is a catch. It is illegal to shoot game from a public road, so fish and game laws prohibit carrying a loaded weapon on a public right of way. This also applies to guns carried in a car. A concealed carry permit allows the weapon to be loaded.

No one seems to have worked out the scenario where a gunman goes on a shooting spree in a crowded church. The most likely ending is brave parishioners tackle him from behind. A second gun in the church would probably shoot a few of the braver church members.

It hasn't actually been tested in practice, but it will be an interesting Sunday.

 

[English Lady]

Oooh, I bet all the sermons are short in Louisiana!

 

[3113]

No one seems to have worked out the scenario where a gunman goes on a shooting spree in a crowded church. The most likely ending is brave parishioners tackle him from behind. A second gun in the church would probably shoot a few of the braver church members.

Well, arguably, the guy bringing the gun could bring it whether it was legal or not if his aim is to shoot people. And I suppose the outcome depends on whether the other congregants are good shots.

It certainly might deter bigots from striding into a mosque or synagogue or rival Christian denomination with intent to shoot the place up if those bowing toward Mecca might be armed and likely to shoot back. Then again, if you go into such a place aiming to shoot it up, you probably aren't thinking of having much of a future anyway....

I do wonder if it might not disrupt the vibe of "Love thy neighbor," (not to mention a peaceful moment of prayer) if the person next to you is carrying a concealed weapon.

Oooh, I bet all the sermons are short in Louisiana!

And entertaining. Don't wanna bore an armed congregation.

So, is Louisiana going to get preachers like this?

 

[Handley_Page]

So, is Louisiana going to get preachers

like this?

Maybe not but thanks for reminding me that film's on this evening.

 

[bronzeage]

Well, arguably, the guy bringing the gun could bring it whether it was legal or not if his aim is to shoot people. And I suppose the outcome depends on whether the other congregants are good shots.

It certainly might deter bigots from striding into a mosque or synagogue or rival Christian denomination with intent to shoot the place up if those bowing toward Mecca might be armed and likely to shoot back. Then again, if you go into such a place aiming to shoot it up, you probably aren't thinking of having much of a future anyway....

I do wonder if it might not disrupt the vibe of "Love thy neighbor," (not to mention a peaceful moment of prayer) if the person next to you is carrying a concealed weapon.


And entertaining. Don't wanna bore an armed congregation.

So, is Louisiana going to get preachers like this?

There is no sensible or logical way to approach something that is stupid on so many levels.

Guns make some people feel safer. There is no rational argument which can counter this sentiment.

The idea that the shooter may be in the center of a crowd of screaming people who are moving as fast as they can does not enter into it. We are a nation of cool headed crack shots with excellent snap judgment.

Well, except for the guy who shot first. He is obviously crazy.

 

[SeaCat]

It used to be, way back when, that Churches in Mass. and out west had rifle racks in the vestibule. You were not only expected to carry arms on your way to church but it was a neccesity. The acrrying of long arms in church was frowned upon but the carrying of pistols was accepted as they could be too easily stolen if you checked them at the door. (Not to mention the long arms got in the way.)

As for the attacking of those in worship, it has been happening. (At least here in the south. The most common attack is carried out by the spurned lover of someone inside the service.) So far, luckily, there have been no attacks on a congregation in general. I don't see that lasting much longer however as people see how these are targets of opporunity.

As for the rights to arm oneself, this is a devisive issue that has become almost as heated as religion. (Or even American Politics lately.) If you don't agree with either extreme then you are spouting nonsense and shouldn't be listened to, there is no middle ground. Maybe it's time started thinking about the middle ground and moving away from the extremes?

Cat

 

[Miss_Pixie]

Guns in a Church, any place of worship, seems a bit excessive to me

 

[jomar]

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal has signed a law that will allow churchgoers to carry guns into house of worship. The bill will allow persons qualified to carry concealed weapons to bring them to churches, mosques, synagogues or other houses of worship.

Pastors, or other heads of the religious institution, are required to announce the presence of such weapons, either verbally or in weekly newsletters and bulletins.

"Woo hoo!" Blam, blam! "Amen, motherfucker. Ow! Fucking plaster. Pardon my French, Jesus God almighty creator of heaven and earth. Woo hoo!" Blam, blam! "Ow!"

 

[rgraham666]

I'm getting married in Louisiana soon.

It won't be in a church.

 

[3113]

"Woo hoo!" Blam, blam! "Amen, motherfucker. Ow! Fucking plaster. Pardon my French, Jesus God almighty creator of heaven and earth. Woo hoo!" Blam, blam! "Ow!"

Working target practice into the service! Now there's an idea.

 

[jomar]

Working target practice into the service! Now there's an idea.

"Amen sister 3. Fucking A. Woo hoo! Ow!"

 

[bronzeage]

I'm getting married in Louisiana soon.

It won't be in a church.

Congratulations. I hope it's a November Wedding.

If you need somebody to lay covering fire for the recessional, call me.