Penetration

[Lizzie_Borden]

Primalex:"All women want to have a cock."

Only for a little while, just to see what it's like.

Otherwise, I quite enjoy my bits.

 

[Primalex]

If I'm such an attention whore, then stop paying attention to me. It's really not that hard to figure out, is it?

You have this desire to quote me and rape my sentences to fuel your stupid argueing. I'm not Jesus, I don't turn the other cheek. Feel free to label it as my weakness.

 

[Adakgirl]

Personally I think that my submissiveness is all about me having the deep need to be penetrated in most of the ways that Cutie mouse lists in her OP. I'm not sure if anyone could actually force that kind of emotional penetration upon me unless I allowed them to.
But then again, I usually feel penetrated when someone looks deeply into my eyes.

 

[dicky911]

Personally I think that my submissiveness is all about me having the deep need to be penetrated in most of the ways that Cutie mouse lists in her OP. I'm not sure if anyone could actually force that kind of emotional penetration upon me unless I allowed them to.
But then again, I usually feel penetrated when someone looks deeply into my eyes.

You have hit a large nail right on the head, no doubt about it, yes - I know it from the 'other side' mmmmmm

 

[JMohegan]

I don't care why you don't take cock, the fact that you don't is all that matters. The reasons are merely important to you.

What apology?

Where did I say I would not fuck a straight man up the ass, or let him fuck me? I'm married to a guy who is 98% straight, but does know what penetration feels like, and does know what bottoming feels like, and can take orders tolerably well on occasion-- and can enjoy these things.

Sure it's a character issue. You, from what you say, are too uptight and linear and concerned with your role be satisfying to me sexually. I don't think any less of you for it, and you, no doubt, don't mind that I am not attracted to you.

What I was referencing about your self-described sexual proclivities may be found in the last line of this:

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=34385004&postcount=208

I repeat: Obviously, we are not sexually compatible. That's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about the way you view people in the world at large. Not potential partners or fuck buddies, just people in general.

And I meant character issue, as in: It says something about a person's character if they make pejorative assumptions about others, based on sexual ID or preferences. And frankly, if you don't make a character distinction between homophobes, and guys for whom disinterest in cock is a matter of simple disinterest, that says something about yours.

Speaking of pejorative assumptions, is that "uptight" shot an attempt at humor? Are you expecting me to return the favor, and make some "joke" about the personality of transgender folks?

 

[Seurat]

It's a mental block - I feel like their stance is that innately something I don't mind is beneath THEM. Doesn't fly for me at all. If you can't handle a fuck or an attempt at one you can't handle me.

There's things I'd never do - bestiality. Scat eating.

I don't care why you don't take cock, the fact that you don't is all that matters.

I don't think any less of you for it, and you, no doubt, don't mind that I am not attracted to you.

There's the progresion, as I see it. If I have no desire to sample bio-cock and am not attracted to men in any fashion whatsever, but love the thought of a woman with a strapon, that whole element lies within me. If what I like or don't like heightens, lessens, or eliminates my attractiveness to you, then that is your reaction, and the element relies on you. That's your reaction.


Personally, it is the people who find elements I really like to be repulsive that are less attracive to me. The more opposite we are on key elements, the less attractive you will be to me. Compatability on key issues can override disagreements.

 

[JMohegan]

There's the progresion, as I see it. If I have no desire to sample bio-cock and am not attracted to men in any fashion whatsever, but love the thought of a woman with a strapon, that whole element lies within me. If what I like or don't like heightens, lessens, or eliminates my attractiveness to you, then that is your reaction, and the element relies on you. That's your reaction.


Personally, it is the people who find elements I really like to be repulsive that are less attracive to me. The more opposite we are on key elements, the less attractive you will be to me. Compatability on key issues can override disagreements.

There are lots of people in this world whom I don't perceive as sexual beings. Like lions don't look at sugar snap peas and say "ohh, is that what I should have for dinner this time?" It's just not even food to them.

If someone is turned off by bio-cock, that doesn't offend me, even though I've got one and have a strong preference for females who crave the things! It just tells me I'm not on that person's sexual menu. So what? Being turned off by bio-cock, all by itself, is not indicative of the person's character.

Character is a matter of personal honor and integrity. It has nothing to do with sexual preference, unless ignorance and bigotry start creeping in to a person's professed reasons for not being attracted to others.

 

[rida]

Personally I think that my submissiveness is all about me having the deep need to be penetrated in most of the ways that Cutie mouse lists in her OP. I'm not sure if anyone could actually force that kind of emotional penetration upon me unless I allowed them to.
But then again, I usually feel penetrated when someone looks deeply into my eyes.

What Adakagirl said.

As for the "looking into the eyes" bit, it is one of the hardest thing for me to do. The Sadist mostly does not let me look at him during a scene. At first it felt hard, as it felt as if I could not anchor myself to anything. The curious thing is that now I'm actually the one that does not even want to look into Hubby's eyes during play and I have to be ordered to do so.

Somehow if I can keep my eyes averted I can pretend not to be seen (aka penetrated).

 

[satindesire]

You have this desire to quote me and rape my sentences to fuel your stupid argueing. I'm not Jesus, I don't turn the other cheek. Feel free to label it as my weakness.

I feel like you constantly pestering me and calling me names for absolutely no reason (since I never even spoke to you first) is the same crap little girls deal with on the school yard. A boy has a crush and is too immature to deal with it, so he picks on her instead.

I'm married, and this flirtation is making you look foolish. I'm just not interested in you.

 

[JMohegan]

I feel like you constantly pestering me and calling me names for absolutely no reason (since I never even spoke to you first) is the same crap little girls deal with on the school yard. A boy has a crush and is too immature to deal with it, so he picks on her instead.

I'm married, and this flirtation is making you look foolish. I'm just not interested in you.

You mocked him on the firing squad thread; he turned right around and mocked you on this one. You're not behaving like the little girl who minds her own business and then gets wrongfully picked on. You're like the girl who feels free to insult other people, but starts crying when she gets insulted right back.

If you like the game of 'you're a doodyhead/no you,' by all means continue. It's not my place to control your posting habits. I'm just calling bullshit on your protestations of victimhood here.

 

[satindesire]

You mocked him on the firing squad thread; he turned right around and mocked you on this one. You're not behaving like the little girl who minds her own business and then gets wrongfully picked on. You're like the girl who feels free to insult other people, but starts crying when she gets insulted right back.

If you like the game of 'you're a doodyhead/no you,' by all means continue. It's not my place to control your posting habits. I'm just calling bullshit on your protestations of victimhood here.

Since you didn't ask why this situation is happening but thought you were knowledgeable enough to join the conversation, let me enlighten you so you don't look silly next time. This troll started jocking me YEARS ago with absolutely no good reason to, calling me names like "Whore" because I posted erotic pictures up on the AM Pic thread. He's harassed me ever since. I'm not playing a crying victim, and I'd love to see some quotes where I'm genuinely whining and crying about him being so mean to widdle ole me. It's SARCASM. I'm making fun of him because he's like a dog with a bone, he can't stop chewing!

I'm showing him that if he harasses me, I'm SO not above doing the same thing to him. If a -joke- like him could REALLY make me "cry" and feel bad, I'd have no place on the internet. He's a toy for me to play with and that's it...and he's getting what he deserves, since he finds me so fascinating. *rolls eyes*

 

[Netzach]

What I was referencing about your self-described sexual proclivities may be found in the last line of this:

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=34385004&postcount=208

I repeat: Obviously, we are not sexually compatible. That's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about the way you view people in the world at large. Not potential partners or fuck buddies, just people in general.

And I meant character issue, as in: It says something about a person's character if they make pejorative assumptions about others, based on sexual ID or preferences. And frankly, if you don't make a character distinction between homophobes, and guys for whom disinterest in cock is a matter of simple disinterest, that says something about yours.

Speaking of pejorative assumptions, is that "uptight" shot an attempt at humor? Are you expecting me to return the favor, and make some "joke" about the personality of transgender folks?

If I said "wow, I can't imagine the dull sex life I'd have with a dworkinite lesbian who hates strap ons, what a hung up bore" the crickets would be audible.

 

[DeepGreenEyes]

Well, let's see:
<snip>
It seems that the males of the species find the "idea" of any form of vulnerability somewhat scary.

First of all, yes, I agree that one can't infer much from about a group from a sample of three. Except that the three stooges are gloriously dumb, and Snap, Crackle and Pop are probably violating a noise ordinance somewhere.

But just to clarify (without really revealing anything vulnerable, because that is unacceptable, , it's all dependent on the relationship. I'm not going to be penetrated emotionally (and yes, physically, more than likely) by someone whom I feel has the upper hand in a relationship. I don't know if this is immature, controlling, unevolved, dominant, normal, just me or what, but there it is. I've probably missed out on a lot of good stuff because of this, but I can live with that.

On another point, I'd like to consider expanding the definition of penetration to include trying to hatefuck someone's posting arguments until they surrender, leave or lay vanquished in a gristly pulp on the bed.

 

[satindesire]

But just to clarify (without really revealing anything vulnerable, because that is unacceptable, , it's all dependent on the relationship. I'm not going to be penetrated emotionally (and yes, physically, more than likely) by someone whom I feel has the upper hand in a relationship. I don't know if this is immature, controlling, unevolved, dominant, normal, just me or what, but there it is. I've probably missed out on a lot of good stuff because of this, but I can live with that.

My opinion is that I don't think you've missed anything if your personality dictates you cannot be vulnerable comfortably. If you already know you'd hate it, then you already know! I personally don't think you have to try EVERYTHING before you know you wouldn't like it.

That can be tied into what JM said. You don't necessarily have to try cock or a strap on whatev...to know you're not into it, nor does that make you a homophobe. Kudos for me staying on topic!

(Although as a side note, I never really understood the term homophobe, because that calls up the idea of "phobia" and is not liking gay people always due to fear? It's kind of a confusing term!)

On another point, I'd like to consider expanding the definition of penetration to include trying to hatefuck someone's posting arguments until they surrender, leave or lay vanquished in a gristly pulp on the bed.

Hah! xD;!

Good one.

 

[DeepGreenEyes]

My opinion is that I don't think you've missed anything if your personality dictates you cannot be vulnerable comfortably. If you already know you'd hate it, then you already know! I personally don't think you have to try EVERYTHING before you know you wouldn't like it.

That can be tied into what JM said. You don't necessarily have to try cock or a strap on whatev...to know you're not into it, nor does that make you a homophobe. Kudos for me staying on topic!

I do like vulnerability, but only in a certain very established context. I will try a lot if that context exists. Not bio-cock, though (and wasn't that term used in the third Terminator film?); Yes, as JM said, I'm not interested. I don't have to take a job as a philatelist or C++ coding instructor to know that it doesn't interest me.

(Although as a side note, I never really understood the term homophobe, because that calls up the idea of "phobia" and is not liking gay people always due to fear? It's kind of a confusing term!)

It has been my experience that those who dislike an entire group (not as individuals) for whatever reason are often motivated by fear.

Hah! xD;!

Good one.

Ooooh, the irony.

 

[JMohegan]

Since you didn't ask why this situation is happening but thought you were knowledgeable enough to join the conversation, let me enlighten you so you don't look silly next time. This troll started jocking me YEARS ago with absolutely no good reason to, calling me names like "Whore" because I posted erotic pictures up on the AM Pic thread. He's harassed me ever since. I'm not playing a crying victim, and I'd love to see some quotes where I'm genuinely whining and crying about him being so mean to widdle ole me. It's SARCASM. I'm making fun of him because he's like a dog with a bone, he can't stop chewing!

I'm showing him that if he harasses me, I'm SO not above doing the same thing to him. If a -joke- like him could REALLY make me "cry" and feel bad, I'd have no place on the internet. He's a toy for me to play with and that's it...and he's getting what he deserves, since he finds me so fascinating. *rolls eyes*

So you do enjoy the game of "you're a doodyhead/no you." That's what I thought.

 

[JMohegan]

If I said "wow, I can't imagine the dull sex life I'd have with a dworkinite lesbian who hates strap ons, what a hung up bore" the crickets would be audible.

If you said that, I'd start by asking what "dworkinite" meant.

That term aside, people who claim that lesbians must necessarily be hung up bores are revealing something negative about themselves, not lesbians. Whether I would call them on it would depend on person, place, and context.


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[intothewoods]

Andrea Dworkin. An anti-porn feminist. And other stuff found here.

 

[JMohegan]

Andrea Dworkin. An anti-porn feminist. And other stuff found here.

Thanks, ITW.

So a dworkinite lesbian = one who hates porn, finds it exploitative of women, links it to rape, etc.?

 

[intothewoods]

Thanks, ITW.

So a dworkinite lesbian = one who hates porn, finds it exploitative of women, links it to rape, etc.?

I think she was also in the camp of lesbians that was/is against all penetration (e.g., no strap-ons, etc.). I've not really read too much about this school of thought, but I've heard people talk about it a lot.

 

[JMohegan]

I think she was also in the camp of lesbians that was/is against all penetration (e.g., no strap-ons, etc.). I've not really read too much about this school of thought, but I've heard people talk about it a lot.

Oh, okay. Now I see why Netzach used the term here.

It sounds as if adding dworkinite to the mix takes things to a different level. More political commentary, as opposed to just a matter of comparing what arouses you vs. what does not. Like a female saying, "I love bottoming, but only to women, because the history of patriarchal oppression makes me object to M/f play on principle."

 

[satindesire]

So you do enjoy the game of "you're a doodyhead/no you." That's what I thought.

Seems like I'm not the only one, Mr. Kettle.

 

[tyciol]

Meaning is greatly influenced by context, but even with that there are frequently multiple ways to interpret a sentence, this is why elaboration is so valuable. When we discuss penetrating other people, the standard assumption be that this infers ponos in vagoo. Clearly we can mean something else and play around with what we mean versus how we guess people will assume the meaning, it's a great way to introduce metaphor and in some cases, multiple meanings simultaneously accurate to a statement.

One of the reasons words come to mean different things is often because there are similarities noticed between them. Consider, when we physically penetrate, it leads to a deeper connection (quite literally, though not always metaphorically) and people sometimes analogize it to 'becoming one' (though the expression would not be applicable to disconnected experiences versus connected ones).

In the same way, when we make intellectual breakthroughs with each other, this often leads to understanding each other's view points and wisdoms better, so there is a similar connection, more predominantly psychological or memetic. Perhaps equal potential for emotional connection as the physical bonding, though a unique flavour and path into the personality.

 

[JMohegan]

Seems like I'm not the only one, Mr. Kettle.

Your observation is yours to make.

I leave you to your drama.

 

[satindesire]

Your observation is yours to make.

I leave you to your drama.

Bye Bye! *waves*