Making Toilet Paper for 300 Million Plus, erm, assholes…

[amicus]

Once upon a time I worked for a fiberglass company that relined the exhaust towers for a paper mill that produced only toilet paper, but, ahm, lots of it.

It was more simple in the Soviet Union; a collectivist society where all were equal…there was only one brand of single ply paper and it was expensive…considered a ‘luxury item’.

Oh, well, thas what our usual suspects yearn for, I guess?

The Chinese Communists, before Capitalism created a middle class, had also one brand only, approved by the State. It was said that the most economical way to utilize the single ply paper, was to dip your middle finger into water, push the finger through the paper, wipe your ass and then clean your finger with the paper.

Ain’t socialism just wunnerful?

I never counted how many different brands of toilet paper there are in American Supermarkets…a bunch…and there is scented, quilted, colored, even messages of all kinds on each tissue.

I take this particular tack to illustrate, in a graphic manner, the insanity of Statism and all its collective cousins that function on a cost/benefit basis only.

They don’t tell you in school about socialized medicine, as practiced by Statist societies that sacrifices the old and infirm on a ‘cost/benefit’ ratio, completely devoid of emotion or personal involvement…they just sentence the elderly to death.

And the young…the very young, who are born less than perfect, cost/benefit ratio; why should the blind, the deaf, the physically infirm consume the limited resources of the State when the productive citizens may need the care?

Ask the ‘usual suspects’ when they rant and rave against a free society, just how they deal with the realities of life without a basic respect for the individual human life.

You will find their only answer is to criticize Capitalism and a free society…they have no other recourse.

Try it. Ask them for a basic political or economic basis for their beliefs…they have none.

It took hundreds of years and the sacrifices of many to create a free society that is gradually eroding away into a faceless grey bureaocracy. Speak up! Voice your concern, here, there and everywhere!

Amicus

 

[Handley_Page]

" It was more simple in the Soviet Union; a collectivist society where all were equal…there was only one brand of single ply paper and it was expensive…considered a ‘luxury item’.

Oh, well, thas what our usual suspects yearn for, I guess?

The Chinese Communists, before Capitalism created a middle class, had also one brand only, approved by the State. It was said that the most economical way to utilize the single ply paper, was to dip your middle finger into water, push the finger through the paper, wipe your ass and then clean your finger with the paper.

Ain’t socialism just wunnerful? "


You forgot to mention that the very senior levels of the Party got to have all manner of 'perquisites', like a choice of imported toilet paper and vehicles, food stores and so on.
Rather like getting the key to the executive wash room.

 

[oggbashan]

I remember living in free capitalist societies that used cut-up newspapers or mail order catalogues as toilet paper, and some that used pebbles.

In my lifetime and in my parents' generation's lifetimes (that goes back to the 19th Century) there was NEVER a time in the UK (that amicus thinks is a socialist state) when there wasn't a choice of toilet papers in varying shapes, packs and brand names even if many people used newspaper.

I remember family discussions about which newspaper was best. The Daily Mirror was derided. The printer's ink would mark your backside. The Times, although expensive, was large enough to provide more sheets of toilet paper than most, and the ink NEVER marked the skin. The racing newspapers' ink ran when damp.

Og

 

[Liar]

Amicus, history has shown and we all know and agree that Communist planned economy doesn't work.

But answer me this, and only this, not yet another inane diatribe about how I hate humanity and freedom:

I've travelled to, as well as lived and worked in a bunch of different Western European Social Democratic societies (which is THE VERY MOST amount of socialism that I've seen anyone in here propagate). And I've visited, lived and worked in the United States. I found just a big a variety of consumer products in Europe as in America. Toilet paper included.

Now, why do you think that is?

 

[amicus]

Liar...it was 1970 when I motored my little Honda around Western Europe and what I found in every country from England to Germany as a 1930's like America.

No doubt conditions have improved over the past 40 years, but the paucity of Europeans on this forum and other websites imply that Europe, in general, remains far behind the United States.

Conversing with you about human individual freedom has become quite like trying to describe the color blue to a blind man, blind from birth.

Now...if humans were like bees in a hive, then I could understand the outrage of the community should one bee choose self expression over hive behavior.

You claim to be happy in your hive...so be it.

Amicus

 

[JackLuis]

In the late 60's-early 70's I was tempted to "Go back to the land". I was disgusted with the way things were going and I just wanted out of the corrupt rat race.

I did my research and decided that the Silicon Valley offered more than "Wher'z That, Az." and a organically fashioned wikkiup. Toilet paper, was the issue. I could not accept a world without Charmin.

 

[amicus]

I chose three months in an Oregon forest without any modern conveniences...when I was a lot younger then. Living in the wild and off the land is possible if difficult and not something one should choose lightly.

I also lived a year on the 14th floor of a beachfront Condo in Waikiki, Oahu, but that was a little too detached from reality.

One can learn from both to appreciate the progress man has made since the days of the hunter gatherer.

"My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute."

(appendix to 'Atlas Shrugged')

 

[Liar]

Liar...it was 1970 when I motored my little Honda around Western Europe and what I found in every country from England to Germany as a 1930's like America.

Ok, so you base this on a tourist trip close to half a century ago? The 50's thru 70's there was some experimenting with planned economu going on in at least some places in Europe. You may have seen some effects of that. But how that is relevant to the Europe of today that you keep pointing at as a bogeyman is a mystery.

No doubt conditions have improved over the past 40 years, but the paucity of Europeans on this forum and other websites imply that Europe, in general, remains far behind the United States.

Hockay. Did you consider that this is an American board? Or that it is in English, a second language to most Europeans? I see a whole lot of British Lit denizens. Maybe even proportional to the uk population.

But let's look at facts. I like facts. Did you know that Scandinavia, Benelux, the UK and Germany all have equal or higher Internet connectivity than the US? France, Spain and Italy just a few percent less? Eastern Europe is still catching up. But hey, they have some work to do, rebuilding their market economies from scratch.

Conversing with you about human individual freedom has become quite like trying to describe the color blue to a blind man, blind from birth.

Now...if humans were like bees in a hive, then I could understand the outrage of the community should one bee choose self expression over hive behavior.

You claim to be happy in your hive...so be it.

Aaaand there you went off the cliff. You couldn't help youself, could you? I tried to have a conversation based on facts, not no-substance snark and ad hominem feces throwing.

I'm not outraged as much as I am bemused, by how you willingly embrace your ignorance about the world as a basis for your ideological echo chamber.

I don't know why I'm still expecting anything else.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Most of the toilet paper is used by women after they pee. I doubt that many people wipe their ass unless its running down their legs.