Drugs and the bdsm lifestyle/culture.

[altfoxis]

The large majority of the bdsm culture I've interacted with have been very anti-drugs, and I'm not afraid to say I take the opposite opinion. I feel they can
A) Be used to help reinforce the D/s relationship (for example, the D taking something and the s not, or the s preparing drugs for the D (my sub used to roll joints for me))
B) The submissive taking things when the dominant tells them too (not the D forcing the s to take drugs that the s doesn't want, more controlling when, where and why the s takes things the s doesn't mind.)
C) The general heightening of pleasure many drugs provide. LSD, MDMA, cocaine, other stimulants like dexies or ritalin, and many other substances all make for some fantastic play.

So what's your opinion lit? Do you use drugs in your play? Have you? Would you? Why/why not?

I'm hoping this will be an honest and open discussion, rather than everybody slamming me for my habits. If you don't feel comfortable admitting to things in here, pm me. I'd still love to hear your opinion.

 

[JMohegan]

Do you use drugs in your play? Have you? Would you? Why/why not?

No. No. No. Not into breaking the law, not into fucking up my body, and not into financially supporting murder, terror, and the destruction of entire communities through the illegal drug trade.

 

[graceanne]

No. No. No. Not into breaking the law, not into fucking up my body, and not into financially supporting murder, terror, and the destruction of entire communities through the illegal drug trade.

QFT..

 

[chy_girl]

No. Not only no, but hell no. And if I ever found out my PYL topped me while in a chemically altered state I would hurt them in very non-sexy ways.

What if the PYL had a bad trip while I'm tied up? How would I be able to appropriately communicate my safety needs while drugged. And those are only two examples.

It's dangerous at best, downright stupid at worst, and being sober while playing falls under that 'safe, sane, consensual' thing that's so popular in my neighbor hood.

Besides, I like not having a criminal record and would prefer to keep it that way.

 

[chy_girl]

No. No. No. Not into breaking the law, not into fucking up my body, and not into financially supporting murder, terror, and the destruction of entire communities through the illegal drug trade.

^That too...

 

[altfoxis]

The law differs as to where you live. Not all drugs are physically or mentally harmful/addictive. Not all drugs comes from organised crime.

Also, doesn't seem like open conversation, rather a direct attack on my way of life (something I wouldn't really expect from a lit user?)
And hey, aren't we all hedonists to some degree?
Are not some of the more questionable bdsm inclined people supporting human slavery, ie organised crime? Should I judge all bdsm inclined people for that?

No. No. No. Not into breaking the law, not into fucking up my body, and not into financially supporting murder, terror, and the destruction of entire communities through the illegal drug trade.

 

[graceanne]

The law differs as to where you live. Not all drugs are physically or mentally harmful/addictive. Not all drugs comes from organised crime.

Also, doesn't seem like open conversation, rather a direct attack on my way of life (something I wouldn't really expect from a lit user?)
And hey, aren't we all hedonists to some degree?
Are not some of the more questionable bdsm inclined people supporting human slavery, ie organised crime? Should I judge all bdsm inclined people for that?

To say that bdsm supports real slavery just shows how little you understand of this lifestyle, or real slavery.

 

[Skank_Trainer]

yes, any ropework while under the influence would be a very stupid and dangerous idea, I'm not going to dispute that. However, I can honestly say that while under the influence of anything, I have never tried anything new, or done any ropework, or worked with pain in anyway. Yes, I understand your perception is altered, hence your judgement is off.

What many of you don't seem to understand is that a large percentage of drugs can be safely experimented with, in moderation.

No. Not only no, but hell no. And if I ever found out my PYL topped me while in a chemically altered state I would hurt them in very non-sexy ways.

What if the PYL had a bad trip while I'm tied up? How would I be able to appropriately communicate my safety needs while drugged. And those are only two examples.

It's dangerous at best, downright stupid at worst, and being sober while playing falls under that 'safe, sane, consensual' thing that's so popular in my neighbor hood.

Besides, I like not having a criminal record and would prefer to keep it that way.

 

[Netzach]

Generally I'm completely uninterested in this, but I do think that a more informed discussion than "just say never" would be useful in the community.

I once presented to a bunch of gay leathermen and they were like "what if you're playing stoned" and it made me realize a lot of people still do this and always will - and knowing what does what and who might be on what and how you can tell and how you can negotiate safety if you DO choose to play stoned - all these are worth thinking about. I kind of believe in "safe-ER sane and consensual"

People are going to take risks and they're theirs to take. How to cut the risk?

I admit to curiosity about poppers that lasts about this long. *beat* Next topic.

 

[JMohegan]

The law differs as to where you live. Not all drugs are physically or mentally harmful/addictive. Not all drugs comes from organised crime.

Also, doesn't seem like open conversation, rather a direct attack on my way of life (something I wouldn't really expect from a lit user?)
And hey, aren't we all hedonists to some degree?
Are not some of the more questionable bdsm inclined people supporting human slavery, ie organised crime? Should I judge all bdsm inclined people for that?

You asked questions, and invited honest responses. I gave mine.

You don't like my opinion? Tough.

 

[BiBunny]

I'm far from being the safety police, but I don't do drugs. So I have no desire to incorporate that into my sex life, either. And my experience with listening to idiot cokeheads blabbering on the phone for hours at a time makes me wonder why the hell anyone would want to have sex with one in the first place.

 

[Netzach]

I'm far from being the safety police, but I don't do drugs. So I have no desire to incorporate that into my sex life, either. And my experience with listening to idiot cokeheads blabbering on the phone for hours at a time makes me wonder why the hell anyone would want to have sex with one in the first place.

LOL. This would not be my substance of choice if I were going to get experimental for the same reason.

ETA also too many cute coked up prodommelettes in NYC -sad.

 

[JMohegan]

The general heightening of pleasure many drugs provide. LSD, MDMA, cocaine, other stimulants like dexies or ritalin, and many other substances all make for some fantastic play.

The law differs as to where you live. Not all drugs are physically or mentally harmful/addictive. Not all drugs comes from organised crime.

So which of the above do you consider to be safe, legal, and not sold through channels linked to organized crime?

 

[Skank_Trainer]

nice of you to judge me despite knowing very little about me. It also seems that you know very little about the drug culture, but you seem to think you have a right to discuss it as if you were an expert.

To say that bdsm supports real slavery just shows how little you understand of this lifestyle, or real slavery.

 

[graceanne]

You asked questions, and invited honest responses. I gave mine.

You don't like my opinion? Tough.

Evidently you are only supposed to say what he wants to hear.

 

[Netzach]

nice of you to judge me despite knowing very little about me. It also seems that you know very little about the drug culture, but you seem to think you have a right to discuss it as if you were an expert.

I think a lot of people have negative opinions of the drug culture (is there just one?)based on having quite a LOT of experience with it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I know people whom I would absolutely trust no matter how fucked up they got. I've played with poppers, and they are fun.

I like pot-- not particularly about sex, though-- I have a nasty habit of falling asleep on alcohol, so I hardly ever drink unless I'm really wired. Coke makes me shiver like I'm freezing. It does cure headaches that nothing else will touch-- even so, I haven't seen the stuff much since oooh... about 1992. And DAMN, I miss Quaaludes!

But for me, my body has always been my drug of choice. And it's led to some humorous (for me) mornings after, when folks are saying "I don't remember what I did last night!" And I'm saying; "I do."

Let me also say that, back in the 80's, a friend arranged an evening for me with a top Hollywood gigolo. I was TOTALLY up for a night of magnificent, highly skilled sexing from a gorgeous man; sadly, he had discovered crack, and my evening consisted of me watching him hit the pipe and then pace for two hours-- before I left the building.
My friend was mortified, and had to find me an alternate birthday pressie. I still wear the emerald.

But what was not funny and so much worse than my momentary disappointment-- the beautiful man died of a heart attack five months later.

 

[Skank_Trainer]

i get my ritalin and dexies from people who are prescribed them, I get my LSD straight from a friend of mine, who cooks it himself. My marijuana is bought from several people, all of whom grow it themselves. LSD is very safe, in moderation. It's not addictive, either. Also, countries such as Mexico, these things are legal.

So which of the above do you consider to be safe, legal, and not sold through channels linked to organized crime?

 

[Netzach]

I know people whom I would absolutely trust no matter how fucked up they got. I've played with poppers, and they are fun.

This is sometimes all too true - I knew a Domme I'd let beat me drunk off her ass before I'd let anyone else beat me sober - fuck was she good.

Poppers intrigue me, although the guys who love to sniff them for me on cam are irritating as fuck, but I'm not sure it's the poppers that make them so. I'm just put off by the headache prospects a lot.

And I'd only use that for a bout of "so easy you can't fuck this up" fucking with a well known partner. Same with booze.

 

[graceanne]

nice of you to judge me despite knowing very little about me. It also seems that you know very little about the drug culture, but you seem to think you have a right to discuss it as if you were an expert.

If you are going to attack my knowledge of the 'drug culture', you might want to quote what I said about the drug culture.

If you don't like what I had to say, here's an idea. Ignore me. But until then here's what I know.

I knew a real slave. She was born in Korea and her father sold her into slavery when she was 12. Real slaver and the kind of slavery we talk about have nothing in common. This is not rocket science, but obviously outside of you realm of comprehension. Idiot.

 

[ownedsubgal]

my Master is very anti-drug for himself, with the exception of alcohol...and even that is very very little, very rarely (one weak cocktail slowly sipped throughout the course of an evening). this is solely because he is very uncomfortable with anything which would alter his state of consciousness and awareness, even slightly...that whole Dom thing you know.

He is not so anti-drug for me, but because i used to abuse various substances in the past he severely limits exactly what drugs i may use, and very strictly controls the circumstances under which they are used. it is very rare that he has a desire for me to consume anything stronger than alcohol, but on those rare occasions when something stronger may come into the picture, it is always about his pleasure. whether it's using something that will place me in a calm state which (with my severe anxiety issues especially) would be impossible otherwise, or using something that will place me in a more outgoing, energetic and excited state, it is always about pleasing him with my behavior and with my service.

 

[JMohegan]

i get my ritalin and dexies from people who are prescribed them, I get my LSD straight from a friend of mine, who cooks it himself. My marijuana is bought from several people, all of whom grow it themselves. LSD is very safe, in moderation. It's not addictive, either.

And your coke?

 

[JMohegan]

nice of you to judge me despite knowing very little about me. It also seems that you know very little about the drug culture, but you seem to think you have a right to discuss it as if you were an expert.

She actually didn't even address you, SkankT.

Are you also the op, alt?

 

[Skank_Trainer]

Sorry to hear about the guy, but yeah, crack's bad full stop. There are some things you don't touch.
But at last somebody who HAS experimented with substances, though your opinion is somewhat confusing. Would you agree some can be used to great effect in the bdsm lifestyle, or in the bedroom in general?

I know people whom I would absolutely trust no matter how fucked up they got. I've played with poppers, and they are fun.

I like pot-- not particularly about sex, though-- I have a nasty habit of falling asleep on alcohol, so I hardly ever drink unless I'm really wired. Coke makes me shiver like I'm freezing. It does cure headaches that nothing else will touch-- even so, I haven't seen the stuff much since oooh... about 1992. And DAMN, I miss Quaaludes!

But for me, my body has always been my drug of choice. And it's led to some humorous (for me) mornings after, when folks are saying "I don't remember what I did last night!" And I'm saying; "I do."

Let me also say that, back in the 80's, a friend arranged an evening for me with a top Hollywood gigolo. I was TOTALLY up for a night of magnificent, highly skilled sexing from a gorgeous man; sadly, he had discovered crack, and my evening consisted of me watching him hit the pipe and then pace for two hours-- before I left the building.
My friend was mortified, and had to find me an alternate birthday pressie. I still wear the emerald.

But what was not funny and so much worse than my momentary disappointment-- the beautiful man died of a heart attack five months later.

 

[Netzach]

my Master is very anti-drug for himself, with the exception of alcohol...and even that is very very little, very rarely (one weak cocktail slowly sipped throughout the course of an evening). this is solely because he is very uncomfortable with anything which would alter his state of consciousness and awareness, even slightly...that whole Dom thing you know.

I wonder if this is part of the profile.
I find myself absolutely freaked out by anything that can be hallucinatory. I do NOT want to see/hear/think shit that's not there. It holds no appeal and a bit of terror.