Day 41: The Obama Oilspill Goes On.

[Stella_Omega]

That's about as simple as you can say it and BP doesn't even dispute it but it doesn't solve the problem.
I can tell you with complete certainty that the entity most interested in stopping this disaster is BP. They have every reason to get it done as quickly as possible and only BP can do it. Get used to that small problem.

Well what I meant was that we do not blame Obama for BP's breakage.

 

[Jagged]

This situation is beyond depressing. Put someone in charge of the military, government and civilian personnel, get whatever equipment you need and fix it!

Instead more lawyers, lawsuits, and oil exploration is being shut down. Thousands upon thousands will be out of work, and this recession will only be worse. Not to mention this is a horrible environmental disaster. Even the media which has no problem giving the President a break is getting tired of all this.

 

[DeeZire]

This situation is beyond depressing. Put someone in charge of the military, government and civilian personnel, get whatever equipment you need and fix it!...

The problem is, no one but BP has the equipment needed to plug the well.

Regarding the oil spill itself, BP was lying about the size of the leak for weeks, and the feds had no monitoring equipment to verify BP's figures. Should the government have known they were lying and proceeded accordingly? Is Obama endowed with super powers, including ESP, and the ability to dive a mile deep into the ocean and fix a gushing well? Come on, people, get real.

Not only are the free marketers now blaming the government for a free market problem, the states rights advocates are now blaming the feds for a problem that should be being handled locally. If it wasn't so sad, it would be comical.

It would be nice if the federal government could swoop in, like in the movies, and in a matter of days, make this whole mess go away, but this isn't the movies, it's real life. So please explain exactly what it is you want the feds to be doing that isn't already being done by BP and the local governments.

 

[Jagged]

BP is paying for this all and they're losing money and are liable...nobody is getting out of it, but when the private sector fails the government needs to step in.....

 

[amicus]

This situation is beyond depressing. Put someone in charge of the military, government and civilian personnel, get whatever equipment you need and fix it!

Instead more lawyers, lawsuits, and oil exploration is being shut down. Thousands upon thousands will be out of work, and this recession will only be worse. Not to mention this is a horrible environmental disaster. Even the media which has no problem giving the President a break is getting tired of all this.

~~~

Edging out on a limb just a little, may I suggest that the accident in the Gulf may not be the 'horrible environmental disaster' that seems to be the current thinking across the board.

As someone else posted, there are many areas of natural outflows of crude oil throughout the world's oceans and seas. Secondly, even on land, like the La Brea tarpit near Los Angeles, there are hundreds of natural uprisings of gas and oil on land masses all over the world. And, also mentioned previously, the hundreds of oil tankers torpedoed in both the Atlantic and Pacific and the Gulf of Mexico during world war two, that momentarily polluted the ocean surface and the water column downwards.

Ignoring for the moment the outcries of environmentalists and corporation haters, thus far there has been minimal damage to marsh lands or coastal areas and the shrimp, crab and seafood industry in general, may or may not have been affected to the degree publicized.

I suggest a more rational and real approach to this 'accident', is to treat it as such and work to overcome the consequences, whatever they may be. Secondly, the crude oil, as most know, will be consumed by currents, wave action and storms and eventually consumed by microbes that specialize in gobbling up oil spills in a most natural way...as they always have.

Thus for the 'doom and gloom' crowd who find fault in all things man made, and the 'worst case scenario' advocates; chill out, relax, let those with expertise in the industry solve the problem and compensate those injured by the incident.

It is the nature of exploration and innovation to include dangers and risks and it is to the benefit of those who initiate such ventures to do so with safety and concern for employees, the environment, those who invested in the venture and the consumers who benefit from the production.

I greatly appreciate TxRad's insider information and Trysail's always logical and rational approach to such matters and trust they will continue to provide useful, real information.

While watching and listening to the many reports and even a Discovery Channel, (I think it was them) that gave a summary of events thus far in the Gulf. I did note that Coast Guard vessels were siphoning oil from the surface within a day or so of the accident and that efforts continue to disperse, burn and gather the oil from the surface.

Amicus

edited to add" National Geographic Channel 186 on Dish, "Gulf Oil Spill" original air date, 05/27/10, is airing again today at 6pm Pacific Time....my error in stating Discovery Channel.

 

[Jagged]

I really hope it isn't to bad, but the situation isn't good and lives have been lost. Most people for got about those. I just hope nobody loses their livelihoods.

I'm pro-drilling, and that said there was a mistake made and it needs to be fixed and quickly end of story.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

DEE ZIRE cant be more wrong.

BP has a contractual arrangement with the American government to harvest the oil with government supervision and pay the government a royalty on every barrel of oil released from the seabed. Its not a market issue because the market isnt involved; that is, BP has nothing to sell on the market at the present time.

Obama likely has evidence that BP intends to walk away from the disaster to escape penalties, damages, and expenses to date for disaster management.

 

[xssve]

BP is trying to save it's hole - BP needs to drop a rock on it or find another country to drill in.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The problem is, no one but BP has the equipment needed to plug the well.

Regarding the oil spill itself, BP was lying about the size of the leak for weeks, and the feds had no monitoring equipment to verify BP's figures. Should the government have known they were lying and proceeded accordingly? Is Obama endowed with super powers, including ESP, and the ability to dive a mile deep into the ocean and fix a gushing well? Come on, people, get real.

Not only are the free marketers now blaming the government for a free market problem, the states rights advocates are now blaming the feds for a problem that should be being handled locally. If it wasn't so sad, it would be comical.

It would be nice if the federal government could swoop in, like in the movies, and in a matter of days, make this whole mess go away, but this isn't the movies, it's real life. So please explain exactly what it is you want the feds to be doing that isn't already being done by BP and the local governments.

I agree with you but, out of curiosity, did you say the same kind of thing about Hurricane Katrina?

 

[DeeZire]

I agree with you but, out of curiosity, did you say the same kind of thing about Hurricane Katrina?

Katrina was a totally different scenario. The local resources were under water. Infrastructure was wiped out. The federal response was the only viable option, and it was very late in coming. In the case of the Deepwater Horizon, there isn't a lot the feds can do, other than harass BP into telling the truth about what they're doing to try to mitigate the disaster.

 

[TE999]

It's looking as if Obeymes' decision to assume control of the oil gusher problem may not have been the best move popularity wise.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...t-of-white-house/story-fn3dxity-1225874343357

Can larger protests be far behind?

 

[Austin8]

~~~

Edging out on a limb just a little, may I suggest that the accident in the Gulf may not be the 'horrible environmental disaster' that seems to be the current thinking across the board.

As someone else posted, there are many areas of natural outflows of crude oil throughout the world's oceans and seas. Secondly, even on land, like the La Brea tarpit near Los Angeles, there are hundreds of natural uprisings of gas and oil on land masses all over the world. And, also mentioned previously, the hundreds of oil tankers torpedoed in both the Atlantic and Pacific and the Gulf of Mexico during world war two, that momentarily polluted the ocean surface and the water column downwards.

Ignoring for the moment the outcries of environmentalists and corporation haters, thus far there has been minimal damage to marsh lands or coastal areas and the shrimp, crab and seafood industry in general, may or may not have been affected to the degree publicized.

I suggest a more rational and real approach to this 'accident', is to treat it as such and work to overcome the consequences, whatever they may be. Secondly, the crude oil, as most know, will be consumed by currents, wave action and storms and eventually consumed by microbes that specialize in gobbling up oil spills in a most natural way...as they always have.

Thus for the 'doom and gloom' crowd who find fault in all things man made, and the 'worst case scenario' advocates; chill out, relax, let those with expertise in the industry solve the problem and compensate those injured by the incident.

It is the nature of exploration and innovation to include dangers and risks and it is to the benefit of those who initiate such ventures to do so with safety and concern for employees, the environment, those who invested in the venture and the consumers who benefit from the production.

I greatly appreciate TxRad's insider information and Trysail's always logical and rational approach to such matters and trust they will continue to provide useful, real information.

While watching and listening to the many reports and even a Discovery Channel, (I think it was them) that gave a summary of events thus far in the Gulf. I did note that Coast Guard vessels were siphoning oil from the surface within a day or so of the accident and that efforts continue to disperse, burn and gather the oil from the surface.

Amicus

edited to add" National Geographic Channel 186 on Dish, "Gulf Oil Spill" original air date, 05/27/10, is airing again today at 6pm Pacific Time....my error in stating Discovery Channel.

I read your post with interest ami, Ive felt the same way about this thing, just never actually put it into words.

There has been a environmentalist talking on the morning talk shows, can't remember his name, in his opinion an active hurricane season may be the best fix for this oil spill, saying that dealing with the oil on land would be much easier than in the water.

Good Post

 

[Huckleman2000]

It's looking as if Obeymes' decision to assume control of the oil gusher problem may not have been the best move popularity wise.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...t-of-white-house/story-fn3dxity-1225874343357

Can larger protests be far behind?

I'm not sure they could get any smaller.

 

[amicus]

I read your post with interest ami, Ive felt the same way about this thing, just never actually put it into words.

There has been a environmentalist talking on the morning talk shows, can't remember his name, in his opinion an active hurricane season may be the best fix for this oil spill, saying that dealing with the oil on land would be much easier than in the water.

Good Post

~~~

Thank you, Austin8 (pencil whipped?), I so seldom gain approval or understanding from my Posts, thus I take this opportunity to express my gratitude.

I shudder at the prospect of this administration using this emergency to curtail oil production and causing real economic hardship for the entire country.

This is a strange generation of people who demand the luxuries of our modern industrial society, yet criticize every source of the products and services they live with and by....dunno...

thanks again...

amicus

 

[Stella_Omega]

BP is paying for this all and they're losing money and are liable...nobody is getting out of it, but when the private sector fails the government needs to step in.....

Quod Est Demonstrat, thank you Jagged. Laud the free market for profits, blame the government for losses.

What, exactly will the government do when they "step in" that BP can't do?

 

[sr71plt]

What, exactly will the government do when they "step in" that BP can't do?

Why take the rap for it all, of course. It's all in the manual entitled Scapegoating Your Government: Throw the Bums Out.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I really hope it isn't to bad, but the situation isn't good and lives have been lost. Most people for got about those. I just hope nobody loses their livelihoods.

I'm pro-drilling, and that said there was a mistake made and it needs to be fixed and quickly end of story.

Its way beyond a 'mistake.' A 'mistake' is grabbing a carton of large eggs when extra-large eggs is what you wanted.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

Stop with the PC characterization of the disaster; it was no 'accident'. No meteor fell from the sky onto the drilling platform. Lotsa people and stuff failed to perform as required. Lotsa people and stuff continue to fail.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JAGGED

Youre naive.

BP shares are taking a hit, the meter continues to run, and nuthin much has been done to improve the disaster in the last 44 days; in fact, more oil is pouring out of the hole today.

In case you havent noticed there are big consequences for what isnt happening. Carter lost the 1980 election for the same inept hand-wringing that Obama is practicing.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Now the saw is stuck.

 

[Huckleman2000]

It's looking as if Obeymes' decision to assume control of the oil gusher problem may not have been the best move popularity wise.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...t-of-white-house/story-fn3dxity-1225874343357

Can larger protests be far behind?

Well, you sure will be disappointed by this:

WASHINGTON — U.S. Park Police have identified a woman arrested for tying herself to a White House fence as actress Q'orianka (kohr-ee-AHN'-kuh) Kilcher.

Authorities say the 20-year-old tied herself to the fence Tuesday and her 41-year-old mother, Saskia, poured a black substance over her.

They told officials they were protesting a visit by the president of Peru. Q'orianka Kilcher's father is a Peruvian Indian.

 

[amicus]

AMICUS

Stop with the PC characterization of the disaster; it was no 'accident'. No meteor fell from the sky onto the drilling platform. Lotsa people and stuff failed to perform as required. Lotsa people and stuff continue to fail.

~~~

Stuff it, JBJ, it is not PC, Politically Correct, to defend the efficacy of the Industry, if you had a whit of knowledge about deep sea drilling practices you would know that safety and environmental protection are required, in place and working on the thousands of drill sites in the Gulf.

Your rhetoric begins to take on the pink tinge of the bleeding heart lefties who demand an absolute guarantee of total safety when you step off a curb and trip on a dog turd.

Every once in a while your left wing democratic background bubbles up and pops and leaves a distinct odor. You should thank me for reminding you of your sordid past and work to overcome your previous disability.

...the always affable...

Amicus...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

Kiss my ass Old Bastard. The incident was no act of God, it was malpractice at best, and likely criminal negligence. The whole shebang is one fuck up after another. It isnt an accident, its gross incompetence.

 

[TE999]

AMICUS

Kiss my ass Old Bastard. The incident was no act of God, it was malpractice at best, and likely criminal negligence. The whole shebang is one fuck up after another. It isnt an accident, its gross incompetence.

Unfortunately the only credible evidence that it was incompetence is either fish food or one mile down with the well head.

I'm sure the AG and a congressional investigative committee will be able to figure it out though.

 

[sr71plt]

Is there any sort of even tentative call on the sequence of breakdowns yet? The only mention of anything I've seen of any part of it was that they waited to cut off the oil shut-down value after the initial explosion too long for a permission call that didn't come. And when it came the hydraulics for effecting the cut-off were already gone.

If so, this would be the primary failure point. Don't know what or if there was a failure point attached to the original explosion.

I don't see yet a call for "gross incompetence" or criminal action. Without seeing evidence, it would seem most likely one or more natural breakdowns in procedures in a highly complex/technical operation in the midst of the world blowing up around the people present.

Quite possibly an understandable chain of events with the main failure being the on-site crew not having the standing permission to shut down at their own call. (which would only contain the oil leak, not save the rig.)

Certainly not time yet for Laz-Y-Boy critics sitting high and dry in Tampa to be claiming conspiracies or gross incompetence.

Can anyone cite applicable responsibile reporting on this yet?