The 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm'

[Keroin]

"As soon as there is life, there is danger."

-Ralph Waldo Emerson

Another advocate of casual BDSM.

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself."

- Sir Winston Churchill

Ditto.

World's full of freaks.

 

[BLoved]

Helen Keller was an advocate of casual BDSM. That is common knowledge.

I am not the one who used Helen Keller to defend something as abusive as casual 'bdsm'.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I am not the one who used Helen Keller to defend something as abusive as casual 'bdsm'.

Nobody has.

 

[Keroin]

I am not the one who used Helen Keller to defend something as abusive as casual 'bdsm'.

http://www.dvo.com/newsletter/monthly/2009/july/images/pineapple.jpg

 

[BLoved]

Unable to defend the lack of ethics inherent in casual 'bdsm', they stoop to ridicule safety concerns and risk assessment.

Typical.

 

[FloggingMolly]

So you would have us believe people in committed love-based relationships have chosen to humiliate themselves with assorted forms of immaturity to defend a form of abuse they don't practice?

I dont think arguing with the Trollier-than-thou members of the board is humiliating or immature, but yes, I have never practised casual bdsm, am involved in a LOVE based marriage, with my soul-mate ( I dont believe I could ever have more than one TRUE LOVE, but each to their own). I simply believe that people have the right to choose, and believe in treating adults as adults.

 

[Keroin]

"I am hell-bent for the South Pole-God willing and crevasses permitting."

-Sir Edmund Hilary

Parent.

Life risker.

Casual BDSM advocate.

 

[Keroin]

Unable to defend the lack of ethics inherent in casual 'bdsm', they stoop to ridicule safety concerns and risk assessment.

Typical.

I do not like green eggs and ham.
I will not eat them, Sam I am.

 

[BLoved]

One of those independent third party supervisors that should , according to you, be supervising BDSM.

Where did I say anyone "should be surpervising BDSM"?

 

[chy_girl]

I was exceptionally stupid when I first started IRL, but I knew damned well that my actions could get me hurt. Just like I know that picking the wrong blind date in the vanilla world can get me hurt. Ironically enough it was the people here and at the munch I attended that lectured me on safety and etiquette. The munch group also told me that if I were ever interested in trying something or playing with someone to ask around about their reputations.
*snip*

Note the common theme: only stupid people get victimized, rape victims have only themselves to blame.

"What were you doing wearing that dress in that part of town?" asks the rapist's defense lawyer.

In other words, it is not the obligation of casual players to be ethical, it is the responsibility of the victim to be paranoid. Anything bad that happens is the victim's fault, or so say the advocates of casual 'bdsm'.

Are we really going to play this game again? Seriously, if you're going to quote me do it right. Oh! But if you did I would actually be disproving all the shit you insist on spewing.

At what point did I say I was blaming the victim? At what point did I imply that I am a victim? I acknowledged the fact that, by my own judgment, I was inexperience and stupid at the beginning BUT UNDERSTOOD THE RISKS. Risks, I might add, that PARALLEL VANILLA DATING.

I also said, if anyone cares to double check, that I was IMMEDIATELY given information on safety and etiquette - the etiquette part being because there are certain breaches that can be warning signs of an unsafe player (Top or bottm) or someone who refuses to acknowledge the human rights of pyls and PYLs. And, again, it applied to Tops and Bottoms alike. Go figure!

My god, man, are you intellectually deaf to what is actually put in written word?

 

[BLoved]

I simply believe that people have the right to choose, and believe in treating adults as adults.

As do I, including the right to be informed of all the risks they are taking, something advocates of casual 'bdsm' hate.

 

[BLoved]

Risks, I might add, that PARALLEL VANILLA DATING.

Except no one is expecting to be tied up in a vanilla relationship.

The risks for an encounter involving bdsm are quite different from those involved in a vanilla encounter.

 

[FloggingMolly]

As do I, including the right to be informed of all the risks they are taking, something advocates of casual 'bdsm' hate.

Proof tbh.

Nowhere has anyone said 'don't say there are risks, we dont want them to know it could be dangerous to their sexual, mental and physical health'. Everyone has said people should educate themselves and be aware.

 

[Keroin]

I would say as a parent you are not at liberty to risk your life for any reason.

http://www.mythicalireland.com/astronomy/other/alan-shepard-moon.jpg

Hey Al! Get off the moon you lousy parent you!!!

 

[Keroin]

I would say as a parent you are not at liberty to risk your life for any reason.

http://static.open.salon.com/files/iwo_jima1249331714.jpg

Sure hope none of those guys were fathers!!

 

[chy_girl]

Except no one is expecting to be tied up in a vanilla relationship.

The risks for an encounter involving bdsm are quite different from those involved in a vanilla encounter.

Really? I know a lot of vanilla people who like to handcuff their partners or tie their partners to the bed.

Besides, if it's a vanilla date gone bad I doubt the victim (male OR female) is expecting to be raped. Which is the point you brought up, isn't it? The victimization?

 

[BLoved]

Proof tbh.

Nowhere has anyone said 'don't say there are risks, we dont want them to know it could be dangerous to their sexual, mental and physical health'. Everyone has said people should educate themselves and be aware.

That would explain why we are up to nearly 1100 posts in this topic, talking about casual 'bdsm's lack of ethics.

 

[DeepGreenEyes]

I am not the one who used Helen Keller to defend something as abusive as casual 'bdsm'.

Helen Keller was Keroin's bitch. Read the scholarship.

She put some serious braille welts on her ass that spelled out "poopy pants."

 

[BLoved]

Really? I know a lot of vanilla people who like to handcuff their partners or tie their partners to the bed.

Besides, if it's a vanilla date gone bad I doubt the victim (male OR female) is expecting to be raped. Which is the point you brought up, isn't it? The victimization?

No one blames the victim if she is raped during a vanilla date.

Advocates of casual 'bdsm' blame the victim if she is raped while on a NSA/One Night Stand.

The double standard is rather obvious, and one novices ought to notice: if you are raped by a casual player, the casual community will blame it on your "stupidity".

 

[chy_girl]

Proof tbh.

Nowhere has anyone said 'don't say there are risks, we dont want them to know it could be dangerous to their sexual, mental and physical health'. Everyone has said people should educate themselves and be aware.

That would explain why we are up to nearly 1100 posts in this topic, talking about casual 'bdsm's lack of ethics.

No, that would explain why most everyone here either thinks your a troll, full of shit, or a combination of the two.

 

[BLoved]

No, that would explain why most everyone here either thinks your a troll, full of shit, or a combination of the two.

And that explains nearly 1100 posts?

 

[00Syd]

No, that would explain why most everyone here either thinks your a troll, full of shit, or a combination of the two.

And that explains nearly 1100 posts?

Yes, yes it does.

 

[chy_girl]

No one blames the victim if she is raped during a vanilla date.

Advocates of casual 'bdsm' blame the victim if she is raped while on a NSA/One Night Stand.

The double standard is rather obvious, and one novices ought to notice: if you are raped by a casual player, the casual community will blame it on your "stupidity".

>.<

Did your mother drop you on your head as a child? Seriously?!?! No one blames the victim so long as it's vanilla?!?! What the fuck planet are you FROM?

And since when does the BDSM community have the market on NSA/one night stands? And for that matter, who said a NSA/ONS had be involved for a rape to occur?

 

[Keroin]

I would say as a parent you are not at liberty to risk your life for any reason.

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/96/124796-004-2F058109.jpg

Dude, thanks! I would so love for you to rescue me from this icy, cold water but if you're a parent, I'm just gonna have to decline. I have ethics, you know.

 

[BLoved]

Yes, yes it does.

In other words, casual players and their advocates are obsessive/compulsive when it comes to abusing others.