The 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm'

A few tips for Submissives questing for a Beloved

As most everyone knows, there is a lot of non-consensual manipulation on any bdsm board.

Whether it is the wannabes, or a clique of posters who bully their way around the boards, there are more than enough people who see nothing wrong with non-consensual manipulation: providing they are the ones doing the manipulating.

Their targets: anyone with insecurities and/or low self-esteem.

While it is debatable whether those with insecurities and low self-esteem should even engage in bdsm, the fact remains they -are- here, they will seek, and they will likely find someone.

Whether that "someone" is a god-send or an abuser is another matter.

The first step in handling manipulators (there is no avoiding them) is to have as clear an idea as possible about who you are and what you want.

Who you are

Those with insecurities and/or low self-esteem have a horrible time with this question. For whatever reason, they have a biased view of themselves, quite often deeming themselves lucky to have anyone at all and quite willing to change anything in order to obtain approval from others.

Not good. This is how you get manipulated into all sorts of things you never wanted to experience and never dreamed anyone would seek from you.

There is an enormous difference between someone who will do anything because that's what they want, and someone who will do anything to attract a partner.

Don't be the latter. That's how you end up getting abused. And then you blame yourself for the abuse (after all you agreed, right?). This further reduces your self-esteem, and the cycle comes full circle when you do it all over again.

To avoid this, make a pact with yourself to decide what you want and to stick to it no matter how many people say "I'd want you if only this were different".

Those people are not leading you to your dream.

What you want

This is essentially a two-day process.

The first day, write down all the qualities you want to find in your partner. Nothing is too insignificant, nothing is too unreasonable. It is your dream list, and you should prepare it with pride and confidence.

Read it over through the day, adding or changing whatever seems appropriate for you.

Then sleep on it.

Next day, read that list again. Is everything there? You are bound to find things you overlooked. Perhaps these are things you felt no one should expect: expect it anyway.

Make that list as complete as possible: it is your checklist, not just for the partner of your dreams, but also to ward off those who will pressure you to accept them instead.

Running the ad

Bottom line - the checklist is the ad. You can post it as is, or write it out in prose and poetry. You needn't include everything on your list, but everything on your list will still count for you. Remember your pact to yourself. This is how you keep yourself from being lured with promises of companionship if only you'd do things you don't really want to do.

Expect everyone to say they like what you like. No way to tell the real from the fake at this point. They will all say they like what you wrote.

So before you answer, do a little homework.

Examine their profile

If it lacks details, that is a stroke against them. They can just as easily answer -any- ad as yours with no details posted.

Interests listed that you want to avoid, another stroke against them. Perhaps they're flexible about those activities, or perhaps they didn't bother to read your ad, or they don't care what you want. Be wary.

Age, location, appearance etc, compare with your checklist.

If they don't have a picture, ask for one. Do not make -any- commitment without one.

Inquiries and Responses

Manners always count. be sure to use yours, and expect it from others. You don't belong to anyone but yourself, and have assumed no role in anyone's life. You should be treated as such, regardless of what your ad says.

It is up to you to give others permission to treat you differently. They should know this if they know what they are doing.

Aside from what many people have said, short introductory notes are fine as long as they are directing you to read a detailed profile/journal. Keep in mind those who are seriously searching will have put the time in on their profile, and it is unreasonable to expect them to re-write it when introducing themselves to you.

Whatever you send out, re-read it twice to be sure you've weeded out anything that sounds desperate or needy. Your search only requires one promise from you eventually: to meet the person who fits your checklist. Don't issue any other promise, nor make promises to meet anyone else.

Bear in mind the only way anyone is going to trust you is by the promises you keep. Show that your word means a lot to you and their trust will be easier to obtain.

If you must break a promise to meet, do so before the date and request a new date (assuming you are not breaking your promise because you've just discovered the individual in question is not the right choice). If you were forced to break a promise without being able to give notice, apologize as soon as possible, explain the cause (assuming discretion permits it) and request a new date.

While no promise should be broken, it is not always possible to keep them. Be sure you limit yourself to only one such incident per individual, as a pattern of broken promises will not give the individual in question much reason to believe you.

This is one good reason for making promises as scarce as possible.

Requests

No doubt there will be plenty of these, from pictures to online sex to webcams to ...

Consider the degree of familiarity that exists when the request is made. Do you feel comfortable agreeing to this, or are you doing it to keep their interest?

Avoid the latter.

You should never agree to a request with which you are uncomfortable.

Bear in mind there is nothing wrong with a request (depending upon the way in which it is asked), and there is nothing wrong with refusing a request.

It is strictly a matter of your comfort level.

Temptations / changing your mind

There is no easy way to address this topic.

I said earlier that your checklist was your way of avoiding being abused and/or used.

However, you are going to be tempted to change your mind from time to time.

It may be new ideas that appeal to you. It may be a bout of loneliness that weakens your resolve. It may be the individual is playing on your insecurities.

Whatever you do, do not change your checklist without a struggle.

I suggest that whatever changes you might wish to make should go through that two-day process you used to generate the checklist in the first place. Give serious thought to why you wrote the checklist the way you did and how the changes will affect the outcome for you: will you be happy with that person living that way?

This is not to say you should never change your checklist, only to recognize that it is in these changes that the potential for undesirable results exists.

So be careful with this.

Self-esteem

There really is no substitute for self-esteem. If you think poorly of yourself, spend some time working out why you feel this way. Perhaps writing out a list of qualities that cause you to think this way. Now put yourself in the shoes of your best friend and look over that list, and imagine what he or she would say were he or she reading it.

Hearing a lot of disagreement? Most likely. Those with low self-esteem rarely deserve to feel as they do. But through a variety of means they have been taught that their opinion of themselves is less important than the opinion of others. They fail to take into account their accomplishments, and magnify their mistakes. They tend to blame themselves for the faults of others, and certainly focus on their own faults almost to the exclusion of any good qualities they have.

We all have faults. We all stumble. We all make mistakes from time to time. Do not hold your humanity against you. If you are not a vicious person, have not gone out of your way to hurt others, wish to love and be loved, you have many excellent qualities that you should value. Are you good with children and pets? Do you want to help those in need? You cry and laugh at all the appropriate points in a movie? Look at all the little things you do to make the lives of others more enjoyable, and you will find someone worth knowing, worth loving.

Embrace who you are, and who you want to become.

And keep in mind something I like to believe (whether it be true or not, no one ever knows):

Somewhere out there is your partner, and he or she is feeling just as empty and lonely as you, because you aren't in his or her life. That's the person you are looking for. That's your Beloved. If you give up, or settle for less, your Beloved wanders the earth without you, always missing you. And you cannot achieve all you can be with someone who is not suited for you.

That's why you make a pact with yourself to stick with your checklist: to find your Beloved and so your Beloved can find you.

________________________________________

Will this protect everyone? Probably not. Human interactions are the most complex and there is no categorizing all of those which can lead to abuse.

But I do believe the advice above will help some find the path to a healthier self-image and thus be less vulnerable to manipulation.

Wishing you a safe journey through life.
 
You have a very narrow understanding of the world, sir.

I have a very clear understanding of the difference between Love and Abuse.

Apparently there are more than a few people in this discussion who fail to see the difference.

I consider that symptomatic of a dysfunctional attitude towards Love.
 
I have a very clear understanding of the difference between Love and Abuse.

Apparently there are more than a few people in this discussion who fail to see the difference.

I consider that symptomatic of a dysfunctional attitude towards Love.

Life is not black and white.
 
Life doesn't have to be black and white for Love and Abuse to be mutually exclusive.

It does, actually. But you'll never consider alternative opinions, so there's not much point discussing it further.

You aren't always 100% right, you know.
 
It does, actually.

~smile~

Now who is claiming the world must be black or white?

But you'll never consider alternative opinions, so there's not much point discussing it further.

You aren't always 100% right, you know.

Look in the mirror and say that.

I've never claimed, nor believed myself "always 100% right".

However, that is no excuse for throwing up my hands and ignoring the best information I have with which to form my paradigm.

And the behaviour of the other participants in this discussion do not encourage me to believe they have a better answer.

If theirs was a better way, their behaviour would be more mature than mine. As that is decidedly not the case, I fail to see why I should view their immaturity as evidence they have a better paradigm.

I've kept my composure while everyone else berated me for what I believe regarding Love and BDSM.

If my paradigm is in no other way better than theirs in all other respects, it is certainly better when it comes to self-restraint.

And considering how the other participants were faced with only one adversary, while encouraged by all their pals, while I faced all of them alone without encouragement, I consider the superiority of that aspect of my paradigm to be amply demonstrated.

I encourage those who want to know what kind of personality traits they can expect from the casual players and their advocates to read this discussion.

I trust each reader can come to his or her own conclusions.
 
~smile~

Now who is claiming the world must be black or white?



Look in the mirror and say that.

I've never claimed, nor believed myself "always 100% right".

However, that is no excuse for throwing up my hands and ignoring the best information I have with which to form my paradigm.

And the behaviour of the other participants in this discussion do not encourage me to believe they have a better answer.

If theirs was a better way, their behaviour would be more mature than mine. As that is decidedly not the case, I fail to see why I should view their immaturity as evidence they have a better paradigm.

I've kept my composure while everyone else berated me for what I believe regarding Love and BDSM.

If my paradigm is in no other way better than theirs in all other respects, it is certainly better when it comes to self-restraint.

And considering how the other participants were faced with only one adversary, while encouraged by all their pals, while I faced all of them alone without encouragement, I consider the superiority of that aspect of my paradigm to be amply demonstrated.

I encourage those who want to know what kind of personality traits they can expect from the casual players and their advocates to read this discussion.

I trust each reader can come to his or her own conclusions.

No, that's an argument about your debate tactics, not the substance of the debate itself. You say you are exhibiting self-restraint. It seems more like you have no interest in dialogue and you take pleasure in baiting people.

I invite all people reading this to stay far away from the kink scene. If it sounds dangerous to you, by all means, stay home. I'm staying home to garden and catch up on sleep. Whatever works for you.
 
Where is there deceit or misinformation in saying, "I want to spank you," and having the other person consent?

In the claim it is "safe and sane" outside of a loving, committed relationship.

Anyone who believes another is good enough to beat, but not good enough to love is attacking the self-esteem of their victim, just as anyone who believes he or she is good enough to be beaten, but not good enough to be loved is attacking his or her own self-esteem.

The only difference between abuse and BDSM is love, respect, honesty, loyalty, committment.
 
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Anyone who believes another is good enough to beat, but not good enough to love is attacking the self-esteem of their victim, just as anyone who believes he or she is good enough to be beaten, but not good enough to be loved is attacking his or her own self-esteem.

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I beat people who want to be beaten. If you are beating loved ones who don't want to be beaten that's called abuse.
 
I beat people who want to be beaten.

So you are willing to abuse the self-esteem of those already suffering from low self-esteem so you can get your cheap thrill.

And how does it improve your self-esteem to know you need to stoop so low?
 
A few tips for Submissives questing for a Beloved

As most everyone knows, there is a lot of non-consensual manipulation on any bdsm board.

Whether it is the wannabes, or a clique of posters who bully their way around the boards, there are more than enough people who see nothing wrong with non-consensual manipulation: providing they are the ones doing the manipulating.

Their targets: anyone with insecurities and/or low self-esteem.

While it is debatable whether those with insecurities and low self-esteem should even engage in bdsm, the fact remains they -are- here, they will seek, and they will likely find someone.

Whether that "someone" is a god-send or an abuser is another matter.

The first step in handling manipulators (there is no avoiding them) is to have as clear an idea as possible about who you are and what you want.

Who you are

Those with insecurities and/or low self-esteem have a horrible time with this question. For whatever reason, they have a biased view of themselves, quite often deeming themselves lucky to have anyone at all and quite willing to change anything in order to obtain approval from others.

Not good. This is how you get manipulated into all sorts of things you never wanted to experience and never dreamed anyone would seek from you.

There is an enormous difference between someone who will do anything because that's what they want, and someone who will do anything to attract a partner.

Don't be the latter. That's how you end up getting abused. And then you blame yourself for the abuse (after all you agreed, right?). This further reduces your self-esteem, and the cycle comes full circle when you do it all over again.

To avoid this, make a pact with yourself to decide what you want and to stick to it no matter how many people say "I'd want you if only this were different".

Those people are not leading you to your dream.

What you want

This is essentially a two-day process.

The first day, write down all the qualities you want to find in your partner. Nothing is too insignificant, nothing is too unreasonable. It is your dream list, and you should prepare it with pride and confidence.

Read it over through the day, adding or changing whatever seems appropriate for you.

Then sleep on it.

Next day, read that list again. Is everything there? You are bound to find things you overlooked. Perhaps these are things you felt no one should expect: expect it anyway.

Make that list as complete as possible: it is your checklist, not just for the partner of your dreams, but also to ward off those who will pressure you to accept them instead.

Running the ad

Bottom line - the checklist is the ad. You can post it as is, or write it out in prose and poetry. You needn't include everything on your list, but everything on your list will still count for you. Remember your pact to yourself. This is how you keep yourself from being lured with promises of companionship if only you'd do things you don't really want to do.

Expect everyone to say they like what you like. No way to tell the real from the fake at this point. They will all say they like what you wrote.

So before you answer, do a little homework.

Examine their profile

If it lacks details, that is a stroke against them. They can just as easily answer -any- ad as yours with no details posted.

Interests listed that you want to avoid, another stroke against them. Perhaps they're flexible about those activities, or perhaps they didn't bother to read your ad, or they don't care what you want. Be wary.

Age, location, appearance etc, compare with your checklist.

If they don't have a picture, ask for one. Do not make -any- commitment without one.

Inquiries and Responses

Manners always count. be sure to use yours, and expect it from others. You don't belong to anyone but yourself, and have assumed no role in anyone's life. You should be treated as such, regardless of what your ad says.

It is up to you to give others permission to treat you differently. They should know this if they know what they are doing.

Aside from what many people have said, short introductory notes are fine as long as they are directing you to read a detailed profile/journal. Keep in mind those who are seriously searching will have put the time in on their profile, and it is unreasonable to expect them to re-write it when introducing themselves to you.

Whatever you send out, re-read it twice to be sure you've weeded out anything that sounds desperate or needy. Your search only requires one promise from you eventually: to meet the person who fits your checklist. Don't issue any other promise, nor make promises to meet anyone else.

Bear in mind the only way anyone is going to trust you is by the promises you keep. Show that your word means a lot to you and their trust will be easier to obtain.

If you must break a promise to meet, do so before the date and request a new date (assuming you are not breaking your promise because you've just discovered the individual in question is not the right choice). If you were forced to break a promise without being able to give notice, apologize as soon as possible, explain the cause (assuming discretion permits it) and request a new date.

While no promise should be broken, it is not always possible to keep them. Be sure you limit yourself to only one such incident per individual, as a pattern of broken promises will not give the individual in question much reason to believe you.

This is one good reason for making promises as scarce as possible.

Requests

No doubt there will be plenty of these, from pictures to online sex to webcams to ...

Consider the degree of familiarity that exists when the request is made. Do you feel comfortable agreeing to this, or are you doing it to keep their interest?

Avoid the latter.

You should never agree to a request with which you are uncomfortable.

Bear in mind there is nothing wrong with a request (depending upon the way in which it is asked), and there is nothing wrong with refusing a request.

It is strictly a matter of your comfort level.

Temptations / changing your mind

There is no easy way to address this topic.

I said earlier that your checklist was your way of avoiding being abused and/or used.

However, you are going to be tempted to change your mind from time to time.

It may be new ideas that appeal to you. It may be a bout of loneliness that weakens your resolve. It may be the individual is playing on your insecurities.

Whatever you do, do not change your checklist without a struggle.

I suggest that whatever changes you might wish to make should go through that two-day process you used to generate the checklist in the first place. Give serious thought to why you wrote the checklist the way you did and how the changes will affect the outcome for you: will you be happy with that person living that way?

This is not to say you should never change your checklist, only to recognize that it is in these changes that the potential for undesirable results exists.

So be careful with this.

Self-esteem

There really is no substitute for self-esteem. If you think poorly of yourself, spend some time working out why you feel this way. Perhaps writing out a list of qualities that cause you to think this way. Now put yourself in the shoes of your best friend and look over that list, and imagine what he or she would say were he or she reading it.

Hearing a lot of disagreement? Most likely. Those with low self-esteem rarely deserve to feel as they do. But through a variety of means they have been taught that their opinion of themselves is less important than the opinion of others. They fail to take into account their accomplishments, and magnify their mistakes. They tend to blame themselves for the faults of others, and certainly focus on their own faults almost to the exclusion of any good qualities they have.

We all have faults. We all stumble. We all make mistakes from time to time. Do not hold your humanity against you. If you are not a vicious person, have not gone out of your way to hurt others, wish to love and be loved, you have many excellent qualities that you should value. Are you good with children and pets? Do you want to help those in need? You cry and laugh at all the appropriate points in a movie? Look at all the little things you do to make the lives of others more enjoyable, and you will find someone worth knowing, worth loving.

Embrace who you are, and who you want to become.

And keep in mind something I like to believe (whether it be true or not, no one ever knows):

Somewhere out there is your partner, and he or she is feeling just as empty and lonely as you, because you aren't in his or her life. That's the person you are looking for. That's your Beloved. If you give up, or settle for less, your Beloved wanders the earth without you, always missing you. And you cannot achieve all you can be with someone who is not suited for you.

That's why you make a pact with yourself to stick with your checklist: to find your Beloved and so your Beloved can find you.

________________________________________

Will this protect everyone? Probably not. Human interactions are the most complex and there is no categorizing all of those which can lead to abuse.

But I do believe the advice above will help some find the path to a healthier self-image and thus be less vulnerable to manipulation.

Wishing you a safe journey through life.

It won't protect anyone. Because anyone can lie on line and there are billions of pictures for someone to chose to send to someone they want to deceive.

I recommend you stay away from anyone who admits to being banned on four sites. Not that I believe this guy has, not when he says it like a point of pride, but if someone has been banned four times they probably have a mental condition.

I'd be leery of meeting anyone online if I were a sub female, but I'd want someone who could provide references. No, that's not a perfect situation either but if they balk at it then that's a red flag.

Then I would meet at a public place with no plans to take things private. No, I don't always follow that advice myself but the other party always has that option.

Safe calls, well there are entire threads about those. They have some value but are not failsafe.

There is always an element of risk involved with meeting strangers. Your online "beloved" could bury you in a 55 gallon drum just as easy as a causal player you met at a munch. Words are cheap and pictures are free. Dead is forever.
 
It won't protect anyone. Because anyone can lie on line and there are billions of pictures for someone to chose to send to someone they want to deceive.

Nonetheless, there are a lot of people seeking someone through the internet, using sites such as this one.

Fetlife, collarme, bondage.com and mydungeonspace all offer users a means for advertising themselves and finding someone.

As we have seen in this discussion, manipulation and deceit are easily detected online, if one is paying attention.

I recommend you stay away from anyone who admits to being banned on four sites. Not that I believe this guy has, not when he says it like a point of pride, but if someone has been banned four times they probably have a mental condition.

~smile~

Or the reader can read this discussion and see why I was banned anywhere the mob had the power to censor me.

Casual players are not eager to see novices informed of the risks they run participating in the casual scene, and the players are certainly not eager for novices to learn more about the dysfunctional nature of casual players and their advocates.

Their immaturity does not recommend their paradigm.

I'd be leery of meeting anyone online if I were a sub female, but I'd want someone who could provide references. No, that's not a perfect situation either but if they balk at it then that's a red flag.

"References" is a code word for casual players: 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours'.

Ask yourself how useful is the recommendation of a stranger about another stranger whom the first stranger claims to know?

Now ask yourself who is accepting the risk if the "reference" is wrong?

If we use the "reference" system as a means for measuring trustworthiness, every widow and widower is suspect because their "reference" died, and the only way they can get a "reference" is to give their bodies to strangers like this and hope they get a favourable report (which is unlikely unless they do whatever they are told to do, if then).

Then I would meet at a public place with no plans to take things private. No, I don't always follow that advice myself but the other party always has that option.

In other words, Hot Pants here will pressure you into a private meeting or else will tell others what a 'fake' you are.

Safe calls, well there are entire threads about those. They have some value but are not failsafe.

In other words, when Hot Pants gets you home, don't expect to be making any safe-calls because they serve no purpose.

There is always an element of risk involved with meeting strangers.

And a lot more risk involved when meeting someone in person whom you've never spoken with before ... whereas talking on the net helps to develop some insight into who a person is and makes it much easier to rid one's self of those whose intentions are abusive.

Your online "beloved" could bury you in a 55 gallon drum just as easy as a causal player you met at a munch.

The person you meet online must first win your trust sufficiently to agree to a first meeting. This can involve lengthy discussions lasting days or weeks.

The time spent getting to know a casual player at a munch? Not so much.

And whereas the person online is looking for a beloved, and their behaviour will (or will not) reflect this, the person at the munch isn't looking for anything but a cheap thrill.

In other words, the person at the munch can afford to be superficial because the time spent getting to know the person and the purpose of the encounter is quite a bit less than the time spent getting to know a person with whom one hopes to share a loving, life-long relationship.

Words are cheap and pictures are free. Dead is forever.

Indeed, so do you seek someone who wants to love you, or someone who wants to abuse your body for a cheap thrill?
 
Anyone who believes another is good enough to beat, but not good enough to love is attacking the self-esteem of their victim, just as anyone who believes he or she is good enough to be beaten, but not good enough to be loved is attacking his or her own self-esteem.

Who said anything about being "not good enough for love," other than you?
 
Nonetheless, there are a lot of people seeking someone through the internet, using sites such as this one.

Fetlife, collarme, bondage.com and mydungeonspace all offer users a means for advertising themselves and finding someone.

As we have seen in this discussion, manipulation and deceit are easily detected online, if one is paying attention.



~smile~

Or the reader can read this discussion and see why I was banned anywhere the mob had the power to censor me.

Casual players are not eager to see novices informed of the risks they run participating in the casual scene, and the players are certainly not eager for novices to learn more about the dysfunctional nature of casual players and their advocates.

Their immaturity does not recommend their paradigm.



"References" is a code word for casual players: 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours'.

Ask yourself how useful is the recommendation of a stranger about another stranger whom the first stranger claims to know?

Now ask yourself who is accepting the risk if the "reference" is wrong?

If we use the "reference" system as a means for measuring trustworthiness, every widow and widower is suspect because their "reference" died, and the only way they can get a "reference" is to give their bodies to strangers like this and hope they get a favourable report (which is unlikely unless they do whatever they are told to do, if then).



In other words, Hot Pants here will pressure you into a private meeting or else will tell others what a 'fake' you are.



In other words, when Hot Pants gets you home, don't expect to be making any safe-calls because they serve no purpose.



And a lot more risk involved when meeting someone in person whom you've never spoken with before ... whereas talking on the net helps to develop some insight into who a person is and makes it much easier to rid one's self of those whose intentions are abusive.



The person you meet online must first win your trust sufficiently to agree to a first meeting. This can involve lengthy discussions lasting days or weeks.

The time spent getting to know a casual player at a munch? Not so much.

And whereas the person online is looking for a beloved, and their behaviour will (or will not) reflect this, the person at the munch isn't looking for anything but a cheap thrill.

In other words, the person at the munch can afford to be superficial because the time spent getting to know the person and the purpose of the encounter is quite a bit less than the time spent getting to know a person with whom one hopes to share a loving, life-long relationship.



Indeed, so do you seek someone who wants to love you, or someone who wants to abuse your body for a cheap thrill?

Hot pants? Very mature.

Online, at a munch, at a party, at a bar, wherever, it depends on the person. People are looking for different things, and of course it makes sense to get to know them. If I take you at your word, you advertised on collarme, looking for a lifelong relationship. Many poeople advertise on collarme who are just looking for NSA sex. Just like anywhere else.
 
Who said anything about being "not good enough for love," other than you?

If the abuser thought the victim worthy of love, wouldn't the abuser choose to love the victim rather than abuse the victim?

The only thing the abuser is showing the victim is that in the eyes of the abuser, the victim is only worthy of being beaten.

In what way does that differ when it comes to casual 'bdsm'?
 
1. Type stuff that you believe in but makes no sense to 'The Reader'
2. Copy that stuff
3. Paste that stuff
4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 ad nauseum

You're becoming repetative.
You're becoming repetative.
You're becoming repetative.
You're becoming repetative.
You're becoming repetative.

See, simples.
 
If the abuser thought the victim worthy of love, wouldn't the abuser choose to love the victim rather than abuse the victim?

The only thing the abuser is showing the victim is that in the eyes of the abuser, the victim is only worthy of being beaten.

In what way does that differ when it comes to casual 'bdsm'?

The person in BDSM likes it.
 
So you are willing to abuse the self-esteem of those already suffering from low self-esteem so you can get your cheap thrill.

And how does it improve your self-esteem to know you need to stoop so low?

Psssssssst, dude, they like it. Does your beloved not like her beatings but you beat her anyway? That's fucked up.
 
Hot pants? Very mature.

~smile~

No one is perfect.

Online, at a munch, at a party, at a bar, wherever, it depends on the person. People are looking for different things, and of course it makes sense to get to know them. If I take you at your word, you advertised on collarme, looking for a lifelong relationship. Many poeople advertise on collarme who are just looking for NSA sex. Just like anywhere else.

As WD said, "Dead is forever".

If you're going to risk your life, will it be over a no-strings-attached encounter, or love?

Which reflects greater self-esteem: risking your life for a one night stand, or risking your life to find True Love.

And which of these two scenarios is more likely to produce a life-threatening experience: the no-strings-attached one night stand, or finding your True Love.
 
The person in BDSM likes it.

The person involved in casual 'bdsm' is suffering from such a degree of low self-esteem that they crave attention any way they can get it, including acts of self-destruction.

They are risking their lives for endorphins and orgasms. In what way is that different from a heroin junkie doing tricks for more heroin?
 
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