British Culture, intreaguing

[JackLuis]

With all the talk about Culture, Wars,Variations and the recent thread on the British Elections, I went looking.

I wanted to ask on goldies thread about the "City of London", but thought it silly to have ask. So I fired up the Wiki and it is the original place, "square mile" of Metro London and is home to their "Wall Street". So the "City of London," spoken of in many tales, as the "Real Rulers of Britains Empire", or those "bloody accountants," was what I was looking for, but i clicked a link.

and found out about the Livery Companies of London, The remnants of the Guilds of long ago, and then, I clicked a link and found this.

I thought , that is so English.

 

[oggbashan]

My family had been resident within the square mile of the City of London until they were bombed out by a Zeppelin in 1915.

Many of them (Men and Women) were Freemen of the City of London and members of various Livery Guilds.

I based my story Ancient Liberties on some of the peculiarities of the City of London. Long may God continue to direct(guide) it. [Domine Dirige Nos]

Og

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Limey culture is entirely wogs, hoodlums, queers, convicts, and welfare moms.

Thats what Theodore Dalrymple says, anyway. I like him.

 

[Handley_Page]

Limey culture is entirely wogs, hoodlums, queers, convicts, and welfare moms.

Thats what Theodore Dalrymple says, anyway. I like him.

And he's joking.
The English can joke about their own matters. Everyone else can simply Shut UP.

 

[Songcatcher]

The culture of usury, war, slavery, and drug trafficking.

To this very modern days.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

And he's joking.
The English can joke about their own matters. Everyone else can simply Shut UP.

Theodore Dalrymple is a Limey, and a gentleman.

 

[Songcatcher]

Theodore Dalrymple is a Limey, and a gentleman.

Who are you working for?

Are you with us or against us?

 

[TxRad]

Who are you working for?

Are you with us or against us?

Define us.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Who are you working for?

Are you with us or against us?

I subscribe to America's motto: E Pluribus Unum, translation= HOORAY FOR ME AND FUCK YOU.

 

[R. Richard]

My family had been resident within the square mile of the City of London until they were bombed out by a Zeppelin in 1915.

Many of them (Men and Women) were Freemen of the City of London and members of various Livery Guilds.

I based my story Ancient Liberties on some of the peculiarities of the City of London. Long may God continue to direct(guide) it. [Domine Dirige Nos]

Og

How can a woman be a freeman? It makes no sense. This is like Pamela Anderson claiming to be the son of Ander.

 

[oggbashan]

How can a woman be a freeman? It makes no sense. This is like Pamela Anderson claiming to be the son of Ander.

In the UK, until the prudish Victorians, women were considered as equally competent as men. When knights went off to the Crusades, they left their women in charge of the castle, to defend it by arms if necessary but more likely by maintaining the knight's right at court.

Women could be tradespeople, guildsmen, freemen, and exercise power. Only the Church insisted that women could not become Priests. The head of Nunnery had as much power as an Abbot of a Monastery but still needed a visiting Priest.

The ending "man" or "men" was taken to mean "person" or "persons" until the 1960s when some feminists tried to change the normally accepted usage.

Og

 

[voluptuary_manque]

How can a woman be a freeman? It makes no sense. This is like Pamela Anderson claiming to be the son of Ander.

Before the 'rationalization' of Nordic surnames in the nineteenth century, there were no family names, per se. You took the name of the farm you lived on. If you didn't live on a farm, you were either the son or the daughter of your father. This is still the case in Iceland and with their limited population it works. Thus Pamela would, in the old system, not be an Anderson but Anderstotter. There is some logic in most things if you look hard enough.

 

[rorystorm]

or you took the name of your trade. smith, bowyer, fletcher, baker, page, etc etc

 

[Xelebes]

Before the 'rationalization' of Nordic surnames in the nineteenth century, there were no family names, per se. You took the name of the farm you lived on. If you didn't live on a farm, you were either the son or the daughter of your father. This is still the case in Iceland and with their limited population it works. Thus Pamela would, in the old system, not be an Anderson but Anderstotter. There is some logic in most things if you look hard enough.

Andersdottir, not Anderstotter. My cousin married an Icelandic woman and her surname was Jensdottir.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Andersdottir, not Anderstotter. My cousin married an Icelandic woman and her surname was Jensdottir.

Ah, thanx.

 

[R. Richard]

In the UK, until the prudish Victorians, women were considered as equally competent as men. When knights went off to the Crusades, they left their women in charge of the castle, to defend it by arms if necessary but more likely by maintaining the knight's right at court.

Og

In the 17th century, Charles II reigned in England. He had a horse called Old Rowley. The King himself was sometimes called Old Rowley by the ladies. It wasn't because he could run fast. Thus, when the ladies went to court, often they wern't equally competent with their man, but superior, at least horizontally.

 

[R. Richard]

Before the 'rationalization' of Nordic surnames in the nineteenth century, there were no family names, per se. You took the name of the farm you lived on. If you didn't live on a farm, you were either the son or the daughter of your father. This is still the case in Iceland and with their limited population it works. Thus Pamela would, in the old system, not be an Anderson but Anderstotter. There is some logic in most things if you look hard enough.

In small villages, most of the residents had only one name, as that was sufficient. As the population grew, men would take the name of their father as the root of a surname, as in Anderson. As things became more specialized, a man would take sometimes the name of his trade as a surname. Smith, meant blacksmith, Cooper meant barrel maker, etc. Sometimes men would take the name of an area where they lived as a surname, Rivers, Greenfield, London etc. However, if there was any logic in the system, Pamela Anderson would be called Andersdaughter, NOT Anderson, all assuming that her father was indeed named Ander.

There's a right way to do things and other ways. People seem to scheme to do things the other ways.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

Limey culture is entirely wogs, hoodlums, queers, convicts, and welfare moms.

Thats what Theodore Dalrymple says, anyway. I like him.

you're just a complete and utter tosspot.

if i ever find you, i'm going to kick your face.

 

[Carmenica Diaz]

if i ever find you, i'm going to kick your face.

Of course, he may be rather tall or will you wait until he is prostrate and then swing the slipper? Not very English, old boy.

 

[JackLuis]

Unmarked Swans are the Regent's Property. That is so very English.

I also found that whales and sturgeon are the Queen's property upon being caught.

I found the precedence of Livery Companies to be very useful in a story, or will be. I'm working on a medieval story and that gave me a whole new insight in the development of Guilds.

 

[Handley_Page]

Unmarked Swans are the Regent's Property. That is so very English.

I also found that whales and sturgeon are the Queen's property upon being caught.

I found the precedence of Livery Companies to be very useful in a story, or will be. I'm working on a medieval story and that gave me a whole new insight in the development of Guilds.

The late Queen Mother was the "owner" of any whale washed up on the beach.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

you're just a complete and utter tosspot.

if i ever find you, i'm going to kick your face.

Its about as likely as me winning the lottery, isnt it?

You Limeys collect the dole and talk about empire.

 

[Handley_Page]

Its about as likely as me winning the lottery, isnt it?

You Limeys collect the dole and talk about empire.

well, the pittance we have doled out by way of a Retirement Pension precludes talking of Empire.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

The late Queen Mother was the "owner" of any whale washed up on the beach.

Before the advent of serious commercial whaling in New England in the latter 18th Century, beached whales were a valuable source of oil. The Crown's ownership was of considerable worth, particularly since the Crown claimed only the blubber for trying-out, leaving the remainder to decompose quite odiferously on the beach.

The Crown had no claim to beached whales in the Colonies, so the settlers quite cheerfully rendered the blubber for themselves when a whale was found.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

How can a woman be a freeman? It makes no sense. This is like Pamela Anderson claiming to be the son of Ander.

Idiot! Man is the name for the whole population. Have you never heard of 'mankind'? To compare this with 'son' or 'daughter' is ridiculous. A 'freeman' is a person who has/had rights in a city.

I'm as feminist as you want, but this lapdog misunderstanding of our language is pathetic. If you understood your etymology, you would understand why women (from man - I accept) can be chairmen, freemen , or whatever.

Don't be so sexist.