I call Bullshit on The Tea Party

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

How are Libertarians going to pay down the debt, seeing how their constituents don't want to give up any of their benefits? Especially social security and Medicare. And military spending isn't getting cut.

Where are these cuts coming from that are going to get us back to surplus-ville?

Roll back health care.
Close the Department of Propaganda (Education)
End the war on drugs
The FairTax

Stop buying votes...

What are the Democrats going to do?

Borrow and spend another couple of Trillion dollars?

More education?
Tax the rich?

Take over the banks and steal their Capital?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Roll back health care.
Close the Department of Propaganda (Education)
End the war on drugs
The FairTax

Roll back Health care? LMAO... good luck.

Close the Department of Education?

End the war on drugs? The one good idea of the lot.

FairTax? LMAO! Still dreaming after all these years.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Close the Department of Propaganda (Education)

Explain this to me. You want to cut education and spend MORE in taxes? You'll have to explain that to me.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Explain this to me. You want to cut education and spend MORE in taxes? You'll have to explain that to me.

Where did I say I want to spend more in taxes?

I want to reduce the tax burden, especially on the productive...

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Where did I say I want to spend more in taxes?

I want to reduce the tax burden, especially on the productive...

When you said you wanted to cut education.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

When you said you wanted to cut education.

The implication being there would be more hands out?



That's a constant.

If fact, one might even venture to say that the more hand-outs one has to offer, then the more hands out one will find...


__________________
“Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.”
Frederic Bastiat

 

[cebalrai]

The implication being there would be more hands out?



That's a constant.

If fact, one might even venture to say that the more hand-outs one has to offer, then the more hands out one will find...


__________________
“Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.”
Frederic Bastiat

Hrm, let's cut education when our students are already falling further and further behind other countries. Good plan.

Regardless of the fact that your little list is largely NGTH, there's no way they'd be enough to bring us back to a surplus economy. And even if those things somehow did get bring us a small surplus it would quickly evaporate in the face of skyrocketing social security, medicare, medicaid, and military spending. Which happen to be the things that Republican constituents dont want cut.

 

[RightField]

Who benefits more from an interstate system. Me who seldom leaves his state or Walmart who uses the interstate system for shipping and receiving of their products? Who benefits more from paved roads and working street lights and signs? Me, who goes to work and shopping on occasion. Or dominoes pizza who delivers thousands of pizzas a day making a profit on each one?

Or instead of roads bridges and tunnels how about the electric grid. Who makes more profit off of it. Me or Google?

Who profits more from public schools. Me who went through it or the economy as a whole having a workforce who can read and do math without having to search or train for those skills?(actually we all gain from it)

Businesses gain more than the working class man.

lol...and who do you think are ordering those dominos pizzas? Who goes shopping at Wal-mart to purchase those thousands of products that come from many far-flung places? Does the electric grid provide you lights and energy? Businesses exist to provide goods and services for the public. It's a half-insane argument to say business benefits more than the people because the businesses are there to serve the needs of the people. (If no one buys the good or service, it doesn't last long does it?)

 

[MeeMie]

It it loaded with new taxes -- on those earning over $200,000.

Very short sighted of you.

Not only will the middle class be paying more in federal taxes, but local taxes and fees, sales taxes, new taxes on services will ALL cost the middle class big time, thanks to this administration.

 

[Cheyenne]

It it loaded with new taxes -- on those earning over $200,000.

Yes. So taxes ARE going up.

 

[MeeMie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAl16Jjt9Hs


The loonies are just parroting their Obamy talking points.

 

[MeeMie]

It it loaded with new taxes -- on those earning over $200,000.

Educate yourself before making outlandish claims..


http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/DemTaxIncreases1.pdf



Democrats Have Increased Taxes by $670 Billion and Counting…


List Includes 14 Tax Hikes Totaling Over $316 Billion on Middle Class Families


Please note:
*VIOLATES PRESIDENT’S PLEDGE TO NOT INCREASE TAXES ON MIDDLE CLASS TAXPAYERS *


Since January of 2009, President Obama and Congressional Democrats have enacted into law gross tax increases totaling more than $670 billion, or more than $2,100 for every man, woman and child in the United States.

The list of tax increases includes at least 14 violations of the President’s pledge not to raise taxes on Americans earning less than $200,000 for singles and $250,000 for married couples.

 

[Sean]

The loonies are just parroting their Obamy talking points.

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/DemTaxIncreases1.pdf

Too funny.

 

[cebalrai]

Educate yourself before making outlandish claims..


http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/DemTaxIncreases1.pdf



Democrats Have Increased Taxes by $670 Billion and Counting…


List Includes 14 Tax Hikes Totaling Over $316 Billion on Middle Class Families


Please note:
*VIOLATES PRESIDENT’S PLEDGE TO NOT INCREASE TAXES ON MIDDLE CLASS TAXPAYERS *


Since January of 2009, President Obama and Congressional Democrats have enacted into law gross tax increases totaling more than $670 billion, or more than $2,100 for every man, woman and child in the United States.

The list of tax increases includes at least 14 violations of the President’s pledge not to raise taxes on Americans earning less than $200,000 for singles and $250,000 for married couples.

According to the spinsters a 10% tax on indoor tanning is "a tax on the middle class". Most people will not even encounter these taxes. "Codify economic substance doctrine and impose penalties for underpayments??? Huh??

But despite the fact that the average American will encounter few, or none of these taxes, you're going to count up the total cost (which is a Republican partisan, spinned-to-hell figure) and then divide it among every US citizen? Spin spin spin...

By the way, you "forgot" to mention in your post that this imaginary total the Republicans came to is over ten years.

Do you see why nobody takes you seriously around here?

 

[MeeMie]

According to the spinsters a 10% tax on indoor tanning is "a tax on the middle class". blah blah blah

But despite the fact that the average American will encounter few, or none of these taxes, blah blah blah

By the way, you "forgot" to mention in your post that this imaginary total the Republicans came to is over ten years. OMG! I can't believe you actually said THAT! LOL!

Do you see why nobody takes you seriously around here?

You give serious a bad rep.

I guess the fact that Obama's Healthcare plan was calculated over ten years of paying for six years of possible services escaped you.

Way too many excuses being spouted.

I understand that you believe the lies, but most people that are open to researching the actual facts know better.

 

[cebalrai]

You give serious a bad rep.

I guess the fact that Obama's Healthcare plan was calculated over ten years of paying for six years of possible services escaped you.

Way too many excuses being spouted.

I understand that you believe the lies, but most people that are open to researching the actual facts know better.

"Blah blah blah"... and changing the subject... are your counter points?

You parrot Fox "News" and when you hear the other side of the story you're nothing but a deer in the headlights.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Yes. So taxes ARE going up.

No, taxes are going down. They're going up somewhere, but, in the grand scheme of things they're going down.

And one can argue they aren't going "up" on the rich, they're returning to where they're supposed to be.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Hey, Dix, the health care bill contains ½ trillion (with a T) in new taxes, and it all ain't levied on the 200K group.......

No. It doesn't.

And when you write back with "Yes. It does." you will cite the passage.

 

[Karen Kraft]

No. It doesn't.

And when you write back with "Yes. It does." you will cite the passage.

Wrong again.

Would you like to try Flying Mammals for $200?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Wrong again.

Would you like to try Flying Mammals for $200?

Prove it.

And when you can't, I'll have your shit sandwich ready.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

No? Here you go.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/nobuzzkill/shit.jpg

 

[tinylittlegnat]

but raising their taxes i think most definitely would result in higher costs to us. and since you bring up cigarettes, let's stick with that. maybe cigs cost less than a penny to produce, i don't buy that figure but for the sake of arguments let's assume it's correct. the fact that packs sell for a lot more isn't because of phillip morris, it's because of the taxes imposed.
there's , which just got higher
there's state taxes, and there's tons of local taxes too, at the city or county level. and these are just the exise taxes, there's other forms of taxes that tobacco manufacturers, interstate shippers, distributors, etc pay along the way. they all compete with each other, there's no monopoly, so the market system is what keeps their prices as low as possible, but when a new higher tax is thrown on all of them, they'll all raise their prices. and that lovely little increase is passed on to you, sunshine

I was talking about before taxes. It costs less than a penny to harvest, produce, package, ship, and sell one cigarette. There are around 30 cigs in a pack(Im guessing) so a pack before taxes should be a dollar and the company tripled their money. But they dont do that. They sell if for around 5 then the taxes get put on. Its not the taxes that make the prices high its the greed. Tripling the money isnt enough profit for a company. Its greed and its wrong. Just like when a corporation patented a gene on soybeans now they are strangling the farmers with it.

 

[tinylittlegnat]

How are republicans going to pay down the debt, seeing how their constituents don't want to give up any of their benefits? Especially social security and Medicare. And military spending isn't getting cut.

Where are these cuts coming from that are going to get us back to surplus-ville?

Schools
roads
bridges and tunnels
police and fireman
libraries.

You know. The non essentials.

 

[tinylittlegnat]

lol...and who do you think are ordering those dominos pizzas? Who goes shopping at Wal-mart to purchase those thousands of products that come from many far-flung places? Does the electric grid provide you lights and energy? Businesses exist to provide goods and services for the public. It's a half-insane argument to say business benefits more than the people because the businesses are there to serve the needs of the people. (If no one buys the good or service, it doesn't last long does it?)

Its amazing how you ignore the argument. Who benefits more from the use of the postal service? Me or Netflix?

 

[MeeMie]

No, taxes are going down. They're going up somewhere, but......

Obviously not for Obama's buddy, Jeffrey Immelt, enterprises.


General Electric filed more than 7,000 income tax returns in hundreds of global jurisdictions last year, but when push came to shove, the company owed the U.S. government a whopping bill of $0.


Can't wait to hear about MSNBC's returns