The Second Amendment Solution

[Karen Kraft]

Will the central government continue to belittle and degrade the states and the people to the point that the only solution to the problem will be found in the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution? Or are they smart enough not to push their shit that far?

 

[Liar]

...and our tour of rhetorical fallacies continue with this little beauty.

Step closer everyone. This, ladles and gentlemen and children, is what is known as a Loaded Question.

Now, as we continue, please put away anything edible, we're about to enter the Ad Hominem room...

 

[Karen Kraft]

...and our tour of rhetorical fallacies continue with this little beauty.

Step closer everyone. This, ladles and gentlemen and children, is what is known as a Loaded Question.

Now, as we continue, please put away anything edible, we're about to enter the Ad Hominem room...

So far, the polling is even. That's actually unusual here.

 

[ItsJustBrad]

I think they are gonna push to the point that it will be our only choice

 

[Karen Kraft]

I think they are gonna push to the point that it will be our only choice

I hope not.

 

[off2bed]

Soros can't afford the boost to the economy that would result from armed rebellion.

 

[Karen Kraft]

Soros can't afford the boost to the economy that would result from armed rebellion.

Schwartz György

Nothing like seeing a Hungarian Jew Conscientious Objector to profit from the Fire Next Time.

 

[off2bed]

Schwartz György

Nothing like seeing a Hungarian Jew Conscientious Objector to profit from the Fire Next Time.

Imagine the bucks he'll rake in from the inevitable devaluing of the dollar.

 

[cfuhrer]

I sure hope it doesn't come to that, but we are ready if it does.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

A lot of people think that an armed populace would fare very poorly against the US military.



So, why is it again that we are still in Afghanistan and Iraq? Oh yeah - armed civilians - kinda like Vietnam.



Just sayin' . . . .

 

[off2bed]

A lot of people think that an armed populace would fare very poorly against the US military.



So, why is it again that we are still in Afghanistan and Iraq? Oh yeah - armed civilians - kinda like Vietnam.



Just sayin' . . . .

 

[rosco rathbone]

This OP is an amusing fit with my mental image of KK, a well-groomed, manicured and pampered young lawyer-ette working at a right-wing think-tank.

 

[Karen Kraft]

A lot of people think that an armed populace would fare very poorly against the US military.



So, why is it again that we are still in Afghanistan and Iraq? Oh yeah - armed civilians - kinda like Vietnam.



Just sayin' . . . .

Of course, it would never be the Army or Marines. It would be the National Guard and it is only speculation as to which direction they might point their weapons when/if push came to shove.

 

[Karen Kraft]

This OP is an amusing fit with my mental image of KK, a well-groomed, manicured and pampered young lawyer-ette working at a right-wing think-tank.

Who quit smoking and eats too much sugar... and stuff.

 

[squarejohn]

Will the central government continue to belittle and degrade the states and the people to the point that the only solution to the problem will be found in the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution? Or are they smart enough not to push their shit that far?

Everybody I know is pissed off plenty with the Dems and the Obama regime.
We'll have to see how the mid term elections turn out. Below is an excerpt from our Declaration of Independence.

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

 

[cfuhrer]

Of course, it would never be the Army or Marines. It would be the National Guard and it is only speculation as to which direction they might point their weapons when/if push came to shove.

Karen, I was going to make that point; you stole my line!
My hunny is National Guard and his entire unit would, 100 percent, tell the government to go... well.. "you know what" themselves.

 

[squarejohn]

A lot of people think that an armed populace would fare very poorly against the US military.

What makes you think the military would fire on the people?

 

[Karen Kraft]

Karen, I was going to make that point; you stole my line!
My hunny is National Guard and his entire unit would, 100 percent, tell the government to go... well.. "you know what" themselves.

Which brings us right straight back to the actual language of the Second Amendment.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The left seems to think the National Guard is only for filling sand bags and keeping peace when someone in L.A. doesn't like a jury verdict. No, the Founding Fathers anticipated its use to ensure the freedom of the States. Free from flood, yeah; free from riot, yes; free from the unconstitutional invasion by the central government? Vamos a ver.

 

[koalabear]

Karen, I was going to make that point; you stole my line!
My hunny is National Guard and his entire unit would, 100 percent, tell the government to go... well.. "you know what" themselves.

As would most military and police forces, they are sworn to protect the Constitution, even if their commander and chief is the one violating it.

 

[Karen Kraft]

As would most military and police forces, they are sworn to protect the Constitution, even if their commander and chief is the one violating it.

Like I said........

The people in power keep the football far away from that asshole.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Of course, it would never be the Army or Marines. It would be the National Guard and it is only speculation as to which direction they might point their weapons when/if push came to shove.

What makes you think the military would fire on the people?

Cynicism. Who pays them?


ETA: the militia is not the same thing as the National Guard, which was invented later to watch the home front once the regular army started going on foreign adventures.

 

[miles]

Now is a good time to read "Seven Days in May" or rent the DVD.

 

[squarejohn]

As would most military and police forces, they are sworn to protect the Constitution, even if their commander and chief is the one violating it.

Well said.

 

[cfuhrer]

As would most military and police forces, they are sworn to protect the Constitution, even if their commander and chief is the one violating it.

I'm having trouble forming my full thought/opinion but I wanted to throw out the discussion point of:

Will people remember that the oath states defending the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic before (and therefore in a primary position over) obeying orders of the President or do most citizens see those two items as being synonymous? (sp).

discuss. lol

 

[KingOrfeo]

Will the central government continue to belittle and degrade the states and the people to the point that the only solution to the problem will be found in the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution? Or are they smart enough not to push their shit that far?

The Second Amendment does not authorize armed rebellion. Assuming that's what you're hinting at.