Success!

[sr71plt]

Well if thats the case then I hope there's an independent on the ballot. I still think they'll go for political brownie points trying to repeal it, but it might just be wishful thinking, oh well.

Or by the next election you could discover that it advantaged you.

 

[Bobby_3111]

Your state can't "make" you buy car insurance. They can require you to buy LIABILITY insurance (not insure yourself) in exchange for the privilege of driving on public roads, but you are free to decline the exchange. It's hardly the same as a unilateral requirement to purchase something.

Well thats an intelligent arguement ...

 

[Bobby_3111]

Or by the next election you could discover that it advantaged you.

I dont see how, democrats might as well have a webster dictionary definition of Democrat = More taxes.

More taxes to pay for insurance I already have and so someone else can have it too. And of course they dont have to change their careless lifestyle or make any sacrifices besides the occasional skipping of the super-sizing of their value meals from Mcdonalds.

 

[sr71plt]

I dont see how, democrats might as well have a webster dictionary definition of Democrat = More taxes.

More taxes to pay for insurance I already have and so someone else can have it too. And of course they dont have to change their careless lifestyle or make any sacrifices besides the occasional skipping of the super-sizing of their value meals from Mcdonalds.

Isn't the point that you are Chicken Littling on the basis of the naysayer campaigning? Feel like a dupe much?

I'll wait to see what happens. The voters voted for a change in society. This is part of that. The Republicans certainly didn't give us anything but a recession and a couple of wars to drain the economy. I'll wait to see what happens.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

What a croc of shit. Half this stuff we already have in Ohio. No kid can be turned downfor treatment at any hospital, regardless whether they can pay or not.

The medicare program has already added drug coverge if a persons chooses to pay for it.

My friends and relatives who own their own small businesses can't afford coverage for themselves let alone employees. Some of them will be closing there doors if they have the added expenses. These are real cases.

I believe our health insurance program needs to be fixed, but I don't see it here.

For those without coverage (which seems the main concern) How much is it going to cost them. Try to remember the reason they don't have coverage now is because they can't afford it or don't want tp purchase it.

Now these lucky people are going to be forced to buy it with whatever money they have or pay penalties for not getting it.

No one seems to know what actual covrage we will be paying for. Surgery? Doctor visits? major problems like cancer or diabities, MS, etc.

What isn't covered? How much is it going to cost? I may be old fashioned but shouldn't these types of question be answered before a bill of this size is voted on.

Not at all convinced this is what we need. Just another way for the government to bring in more money.

So I guess all of you who are cheering now are happy to pay whatever they are willing to charge without knowing what you are getting for your dollar.

DG talk to Stella she knows everything about this bull, I mean bill.

 

[Bobby_3111]

Isn't the point that you are Chicken Littling on the basis of the naysayer campaigning? Feel like a dupe much?

I'll wait to see what happens. The voters voted for a change in society. This is part of that. The Republicans certainly didn't give us anything but a recession and a couple of wars to drain the economy. I'll wait to see what happens.

I dont base anything on what i see on TV, which isnt much these days because i dont watch CNN.

What I do know is the dem's passed a bill requiring everyone to have health insurance (fines for those that dont get it) and that the price tag is around 900+ billion. Thats fact, and I dont guess at where the money is going to come from to pay for it. I know where, each and every one of our pockets.

 

[sr71plt]

I dont base anything on what i see on TV, which isnt much these days because i dont watch CNN.

What I do know is the dem's passed a bill requiring everyone to have health insurance (fines for those that dont get it) and that the price tag is around 900+ billion. Thats fact, and I dont guess at where the money is going to come from to pay for it. I know where, each and every one of our pockets.

You don't know from this point what the eventual law will really look like or actually do for anyone. You've just sucked into the hype that's trying to prevent anything from being done and are Chicken Littling about it. Just a dupe. How sad.

I'll wait it see. It's really hopeful, I think, that someone is trying to do something (for a change).

 

[Bobby_3111]

You don't know from this point what the eventual law will really look like or actually do for anyone. You've just sucked into the hype that's trying to prevent anything from being done and are Chicken Littling about it. Just a dupe. How sad.

I'll wait it see. It's really hopeful, I think, that someone is trying to do something (for a change).

/Shrug I dont have to try to belittle, twist words, and insult people to make my points seem coherent, if you do then I feel sorry for you. Because so far all i'm seeing from you is "Your a fool that thinks the sky is falling! Your being duped and you dont even know it! Your sad!" Insults only.

So please, why dont you enlighten me to as how this bill is not going to be another drain on the taxpayer and how it is not going to increase the already enormous debt the US has ?

 

[sr71plt]

/Shrug I dont have to try to belittle, twist words, and insult people to make my points seem coherent, if you do then I feel sorry for you. Because so far all i'm seeing from you is "Your a fool that thinks the sky is falling! Your being duped and you dont even know it! Your sad!" Insults only.

So please, why dont you enlighten me to as how this bill is not going to be another drain on the taxpayer and how it is not going to increase the already enormous debt the US has ?

Enlighten yourself (when it's done--and as it evolves--until then it's wheels' spinning). And hyperventilate ineffectually as you like.

Although god knows why you are so powerless that you have to do it on a porn discussion board.

 

[Bobby_3111]

Enlighten yourself (when it's done--and as it evolves--until then it's wheels' spinning). And hyperventilate ineffectually as you like.

Although god knows why you are so powerless that you have to do it on a porn discussion board.

/Sigh, juvenile responses, guess I shouldnt have expected better from you.

 

[sr71plt]

/Sigh, juvenile responses, guess I shouldnt have expected better from you.

OK, what's juvenile about that response? Why isn't that an adult response?

This is the author's hangout section of a erotica writing site. What's so adult about ineffectually ranting on this board about the results of a congressional bill that hasn't even been effected yet? What is the connection to erotica or writing or reading erotica?

Aren't you just continuing to knee jerk? What's so adult about that?

 

[Bobby_3111]

OK, what's juvenile about that response? Why isn't that an adult response?

This is the author's hangout section of a erotica writing site. What's so adult about ineffectually ranting on this board about the results of a congressional bill that hasn't even been effected yet? What is the connection to erotica or writing or reading erotica?

Aren't you just continuing to knee jerk? What's so adult about that?

It's not the place for it, but constantly seeing the so called *benefits* of something that is borderline idiocy should be addressed.

It's very easy to win when you have no competition.

 

[sr71plt]

It's not the place for it, but constantly seeing the so called *benefits* of something that is borderline idiocy should be addressed.

It's very easy to win when you have no competition.

You were asked why my posting is juvenile and yours is adult. You seemed to have breezed right by that--and you're the one who asserted it.

 

[Bobby_3111]

You were asked why my posting is juvenile and yours is adult. You seemed to have breezed right by that--and you're the one who asserted it.

Because i state my opinion clearly, you just slander, accuse and insult. Cant be any more specfic than that.

 

[JackLuis]

Ah another Success!-ful thread.

"This is a big Fucking Deal" said Joe Biden.

 

[amicus]

If you consider sr71's back fence gossip and backstabbing every other Post, then , yes, I guess you can call it whatever you want.

Amicus

 

[Loring2]

Remember now Ami

If you consider sr71's back fence gossip and backstabbing every other Post, then , yes, I guess you can call it whatever you want.

Amicus

That sr71 is an intellectual ... not just one of us. I originally thought SR-71 referred to an Air Force Stealth Bomber ... see what I learned.

Loring

 

[TE999]

Mark my words, if this abomination is ever implemented, which I doubt, the rules and regs are going to make the tax code look like a Dick and Jane reader. Your 'free' health care will be allocated on monies and resources available and your usefulness to the state.

Those with the economic wherewithal, and there will be those greedy ones, will be able to acquire quality health care...everyone else will que up at the Public Health Clinics for treatment...they'll be a cross between a VA Outpatient Clinic, an ER on Saturday night and an assembly line. "Sore throats...blue bench...Broken arms and legs...red bench...Elderly and Terminally ill...exit to the right."

 

[jomar]

Well, given that the eldest child graduates college with the most marketable of degrees, we'll be taking advantage of the extended dependent insurance coverage. The child just better bring me home free pizza.

Managed care was supposed to curtail upwardly spiraling medical costs in the early 1990s and only served to drive reimbursement rates to practitioners down and line the pockets of the grand adopters. A few years later and it was back to spiraling costs. So the free market didn't correct this industry.

Not that I know the truth and light, but it seems to me that the for-profit health insurance industry is in and of itself a conflict of interest. So we are now in the midst of a grand social experiment...it will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

As one who uses the VA, I have no fears at all. One could hope that the program will work as well as the Long Beach VA. Kaiser doesn't.

 

[Bobby_3111]

That sr71 is an intellectual ...Loring

Not even close, he's just another fool with a dictionary and a word game, any fool with a scrabble board can sound like an english major.

 

[Katyusha]

Mark my words, if this abomination is ever implemented, which I doubt, the rules and regs are going to make the tax code look like a Dick and Jane reader. Your 'free' health care will be allocated on monies and resources available and your usefulness to the state.

Those with the economic wherewithal, and there will be those greedy ones, will be able to acquire quality health care...everyone else will que up at the Public Health Clinics for treatment...they'll be a cross between a VA Outpatient Clinic, an ER on Saturday night and an assembly line. "Sore throats...blue bench...Broken arms and legs...red bench...Elderly and Terminally ill...exit to the right."

Um...WHAT free healthcare? The final bill didn't have a public option in it, it didn't mention free, it didn't do any of that. Ultimately, it puts restrictions on what insurance companies can do, what employers can and cannot do when they present their group health options to their employees, and call upon the states to monitor premium rates, establish geographical rating areas, and establish exchanges through which plans by participating PRIVATE insurers can be offered at lower rates. It has a lot of other stuff too and yes, some of it is not so good. But there's nothing about public healthcare in there except what's discussed about Medicare and Medicaid.

 

[amicus]

DeeZire, Post #4: "...Ends discrimination against children based on heath status or pre-existing conditions.."

~~~

As SCHIP and Medicaid provide a source of care for children already and since the, 'pre-existing' clause does not become effective in law until 2014, this is another aspect of the 'smoke and mirrors' to the whole socialized medicine scheme which will bankrupt a nation.

Go ahead, celebrate...

ami

 

[midwestyankee]

Not to put too fine a point on things or to piss in the repealers' beer, but it takes a 2/3 majority to overturn a Presidential veto. Even if the Republicans were to gain enough votes in the midterm elections to pass a repeal bill, it's inconceivable that President Obama would not veto it.

Done deal.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Not to put too fine a point on things or to piss in the repealers' beer, but it takes a 2/3 majority to overturn a Presidential veto. Even if the Republicans were to gain enough votes in the midterm elections to pass a repeal bill, it's inconceivable that President Obama would not veto it.

Done deal.

Yup. Learn to cope, y'all.