Success!

[Bobby_3111]

Not to put too fine a point on things or to piss in the repealers' beer, but it takes a 2/3 majority to overturn a Presidential veto. Even if the Republicans were to gain enough votes in the midterm elections to pass a repeal bill, it's inconceivable that President Obama would not veto it.

Done deal.

Well hopefully when the polls close in nov. there might be a light at the end of the tunnel, doubtful, but oh well.

All I know is we have gone very far astray from being a free society to having very strict limits. But anywayz, fuck it, gotta pay the devil his due someday i s'pose.

 

[amicus]

Maybe not a 'done deal' 14 States have combined to gether and filed lawsuits stating that the healthcare bill is unconstitutional and a violation of State and Individual rights.

Querstion is, can the Federal government force you to buy health insurance, if so, why not lollipops?



ami

 

[TE999]

Um...WHAT free healthcare? The final bill didn't have a public option in it, it didn't mention free, it didn't do any of that. Ultimately, it puts restrictions on what insurance companies can do, what employers can and cannot do when they present their group health options to their employees, and call upon the states to monitor premium rates, establish geographical rating areas, and establish exchanges through which plans by participating PRIVATE insurers can be offered at lower rates. It has a lot of other stuff too and yes, some of it is not so good. But there's nothing about public healthcare in there except what's discussed about Medicare and Medicaid.

You're right, Katy. Nothing's 'free' yet, but the passage of this bill puts us on a slippery slope towards totally Socialized Medicine...Medicare and Medicaid benificiaries are essentially already there. Even a system like this will never be enough for some people...so there will be amendments adding this or changing that as politicians respond to voting blocs and pressure groups until the original bill is unrecognizable.

It's happened to every piece of social legislation passed in this country, so why not this one? People are never satisfied.

 

[Dragonlipz]

Not even close, he's just another fool with a dictionary and a word game, any fool with a scrabble board can sound like an english major.

Good advice for you........

 

[Dragonlipz]

Maybe not a 'done deal' 14 States have combined to gether and filed lawsuits stating that the healthcare bill is unconstitutional and a violation of State and Individual rights.

Querstion is, can the Federal government force you to buy health insurance, if so, why not lollipops?



ami

Gettin' all wet and runny are we now? Best stay in the basement keep loading....Health Care is the law of the land now.....whine all ya want.......I got plenty of cheese for ya.............

 

[Bobby_3111]

Good advice for you........

Sigh, it wasnt advice, it was a statement, goddamn what the fuck are they teaching in schools nowadays, jesus.

 

[JackLuis]

And another Sucess!-ful series.

I come here for the "Fuck me's" not the "Fuck You's".

Now that we have Obama care do we get free condoms?

 

[DeeZire]

DeeZire, Post #4: "...Ends discrimination against children based on heath status or pre-existing conditions.."

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As SCHIP and Medicaid provide a source of care for children already and since the, 'pre-existing' clause does not become effective in law until 2014, this is another aspect of the 'smoke and mirrors' to the whole socialized medicine scheme which will bankrupt a nation.

Go ahead, celebrate...

ami

Dear Mr. Smoke and Mirrors: the pre-existing conditions clause for children goes into affect immediately. (Covering pre-existing conditions in adults won't be mandated until 2014.) The other kid alternatives, SCHIP and Medicaid, are both means-tested, which means they're only available to people below a defined income threshold.

Have you considered upping your Alzheimer's meds? You're losing it, my friend.

FYI: It's the private health insurance industry is that's going to bankrupt our country, assuming credit default swaps on Wall Street don't do it first.

 

[Carnevil9]

Not to put too fine a point on things or to piss in the repealers' beer, but it takes a 2/3 majority to overturn a Presidential veto. Even if the Republicans were to gain enough votes in the midterm elections to pass a repeal bill, it's inconceivable that President Obama would not veto it.

Done deal.

That's true. But a Republican Congress and a Republican President in 2013 would be plenty sufficient to repeal it. It just depends upon if the anger in the populace lasts that long.

 

[Huckleman2000]

That's true. But a Republican Congress and a Republican President in 2013 would be plenty sufficient to repeal it. It just depends upon if the anger in the populace lasts that long.

What anger in the populace?
More Americans favor the plan than oppose it.

 

[midwestyankee]

That's true. But a Republican Congress and a Republican President in 2013 would be plenty sufficient to repeal it. It just depends upon if the anger in the populace lasts that long.

I get the sense that you're not thinking this through fully. Do you really think that any Senator or Representative is actually going to come out in favor of repealing the several benefits that millions of people - who vote them in and out of office - are enjoying for the first time? Seriously?

The cry for repeal is just noise to keep the base riled up so they will keep sending in their checks. By 2013, so many people will have had time to get used to the new benefits that it would be political suicide to try to yank them back from their constituents.

 

[LaRocha]

Polls are pretty much always worthless information, but I've followed the ABC, Reuters, and U of Michigan polls. And since the prez campaign the majority of the population has consistently favored health care reform, specifically the sort of reform that will lead to more people covered. If a real life vote was done right now nationwide on this same bill, I've no doubt it would gain a majority. Debt and taxes are distant from the public's mind when you're talking about health coverage, jobs, and education. People will take anything put in front of them in terms of more coverage, more jobs, more education.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Well, if you ask people if they want more pussy they'll yell SURE! If you offer them STELLA or SARAH they riot.

 

[TxRad]

Well, if you ask people if they want more pussy they'll yell SURE! If you offer them STELLA or SARAH they riot.

And if they offered you, everyone would throw up.

Stupid stupidity at it's very best.

 

[Belegon]

The only way in which I agree with anyone on the "conservative" (in quotes because they are actually far more radical than the so-called Liberal Left) side of this is that it is only a beginning.

It is. It is the beginning of a journey towards removing health care from being a for-profit business.

This is a band-aid and we need surgery. Health insurance is not the answer - it's the problem. This is not to say that we will eliminate insurance, just that it's role will change.

Our foot-dragging system has at least given us one advantage. Because we are the last nation in our standard of living bracket to address this issue, we can pick and choose the best of others experiences and avoid some of their mistakes.

The GOP "strategy" this last year has been "Hell no to everything!" Now they've pissed away their chance to have a voice at all with Obama, as indicated by the recess appointments. And their most recent threat is the silliest yet... no cooperation for the rest of the year? You mean... exactly like every single day up to this point?

Maintaining your normal procedures is not an escalation worth threatening, even in Washington.

 

[stephen55]

Haven't seen the guy for a while.......

Well, if you ask people if they want more pussy they'll yell SURE! If you offer them STELLA or SARAH they riot.

I miss the old Jimmie, the one that wrote with grandiloquence, using two or three epithets when one would do. (sigh) You can use the usual pejoratives over and over again, Jimmie. The meanings don't wear out. LaRocha is taking your usual place at the top of the food chain. Getting tired, Jimmie?

 

[DeeZire]

Well, if you ask people if they want more pussy they'll yell SURE! If you offer them STELLA or SARAH they riot.

You got that right. If I was offered Stella or Sarah, there would indeed be a riot - in my pants.

 

[Liar]

Maybe not a 'done deal' 14 States have combined to gether and filed lawsuits stating that the healthcare bill is unconstitutional and a violation of State and Individual rights.

A.k.a posing for fundraising.

 

[Huckleman2000]

A.k.a posing for fundraising.

Exactly. How many of these AGs are running for Governor? How many just want to be in a beauty contest?

 

[sr71plt]

Exactly. How many of these AGs are running for Governor? How many just want to be in a beauty contest?

Our A.G. (just elected--Virginia) has already (unsuccessfully) tried to put an end to antidiscrimination against gays in state colleges. So, it's fairly obvious where he stands on just about everything else. He makes our Conservative Republican governor look liberal.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I get the sense that you're not thinking this through fully. Do you really think that any Senator or Representative is actually going to come out in favor of repealing the several benefits that millions of people - who vote them in and out of office - are enjoying for the first time? Seriously?

The cry for repeal is just noise to keep the base riled up so they will keep sending in their checks. By 2013, so many people will have had time to get used to the new benefits that it would be political suicide to try to yank them back from their constituents.

Pish posh. There's an election in November, and its not looking good for Democrats or RINOs. May be a repeat of 1994.

 

[sr71plt]

Pish posh. There's an election in November, and its not looking good for Democrats or RINOs. May be a repeat of 1994.

Or your prediction could be a repeat of 2008. That would be nice.

 

[Dragonlipz]

Pish posh. There's an election in November, and its not looking good for Democrats or RINOs. May be a repeat of 1994.

We shall see, we shall see what's what, that we will,Jimmy Sweet-Cheeks..by merely passing a bill and signing it into law, President Obama has made it infinitely harder for the Repubtards to 'repeal' the law or revise it..it's too damned complicated as the past year has shown us...by the way, Jimmy..you're my favorite savage......

 

[sr71plt]

We shall see, we shall see what's what, that we will,Jimmy Sweet-Cheeks..by merely passing a bill and signing it into law, President Obama has made it infinitely harder for the Repubtards to 'repeal' the law or revise it..it's too damned complicated as the past year has shown us...by the way, Jimmy..you're my favorite savage......

Worse than that (for the Republicans) is that we have law changes that the mass of middle class voters will like. This is what the Republicans were really fighting--some sense of reality creeping in the brains of the great unwashed electorate.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Or your prediction could be a repeat of 2008. That would be nice.

We'll see. The last few elections havent gone well for the Democrats, though.