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[Stella_Omega]

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[Huckleman2000]

Hooray!
It's a start.

 

[DeeZire]

Our Bluedog Democratic congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was just on the local TV news, patched in on the phone, talking about it. She said many congress members with 30 years of experience claimed this vote was the most important of their career. She was hemming and hawing about it a few months ago, insisting on sticking with the PayGo principal, but when they trimmed the bill down to where it didn't add to the deficit, she couldn't vote against it.

I'm disappointed about what got left out, (and the 3 year wait for the good stuff) but she did mention that one of the immediate benefits will be tax credits for small businesses who provide insurance for their workers. Since I'm a (really really) small business, I might actually be able to afford coverage for a change. It's tough, living right on the bubble between Medicaid eligibility and insurance premiums that would knock your income down to 50% below the federal poverty line.

Since our state is run by a bunch of clueless Right Wingnuts, I'm expecting them to attempt to opt out of Obamacare based on the state's rights issue. Hopefully, if they do, they will find themselves opted out of their next term by the voters.

 

[DeeZire]

Looking at this list of immediate benefits, one wonders how the Right Wing Spin Machine is going to demonize this bill without making themselves look like a bunch of petty, mean-spirited elites.

Tax credits for small businesses
Preventive care covered 100 percent by Medicare
Closing the Medicare prescription drug “donut hole”
Temporary coverage for early retirees, ages 55-64
Insurance companies can no longer drop people from coverage when they get sick
Ends discrimination against children based on heath status or pre-existing conditions
Ends restrictive annual limits on benefits for new insurance policies
Allows adult children to be covered under their parents’ plan up to the age of 26
Ensures that insurers spend at least 80 percent of premiums on medical care
Eliminates copays for preventive care under new private plans
Provides temporary coverage for Americans with pre-existing conditions until Exchange is implemented
Expands enough funding for community health centers to double capacity in five years

 

[stephen55]

With apologies to Ernest Thayer....

Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy in Mudville— mighty Moron has struck out.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Looking at this list of immediate benefits, one wonders how the Right Wing Spin Machine is going to demonize this bill without making themselves look like a bunch of petty, mean-spirited elites.

Hmmm . . . that looks a lot like the country adopted a whole bunch of California regs. Interesting.

 

[Carnevil9]

Every single provision in this bill will make your taxes go up. Thanks, Obama! Another promise broken!.......Carney

 

[Stella_Omega]

Looking at this list of immediate benefits, one wonders how the Right Wing Spin Machine is going to demonize this bill without making themselves look like a bunch of petty, mean-spirited elites.

Every single provision in this bill will make your taxes go up. Thanks, Obama! Another promise broken!.......Carney

QED. Thanks, carney.

 

[Katyusha]

Every single provision in this bill will make your taxes go up. Thanks, Obama! Another promise broken!.......Carney

My taxes went up when Bush's tax cuts went into effect. I owed taxes this year because of Obama's so-called "Making Work Pay Tax Credit." If my taxes go up more, it'll be more of the same ol' same ol'. A Republican president would find a reason to raise my taxes too, seeing as how nobody truly gives a flying fuck about the middle class.

 

[stephen55]

As if....

This bill would not have passed but for the tireless and dedicated support, advice, encouragement and above all, the passionate appeals to reason from our good friends and neighbors to the north. Thank you. Thank you so very much. Now, someone tell that stephen55 clown his services are no longer required. And give him a beer. Uh..Joe...who's the babe?

Barack Obama

 

[LaRocha]

Good thing we'll all be dead before 2014. Mayan Prophecy Nostradamus Da Vinci Code Shutter Island Papa Smurf 2012!

 

[PoppingTom]

Congrats, American people !!

I've watched "John Q" yesterday, and it's good to see something has changed, because of that movie.

Seriously, you got a real winner president this time. Seems it was easier to knock Saddam Hussein out of his chair than to make a change in your healthcare system. It was thrilling to watch this from Germany.

 

[xssve]

Looking at this list of immediate benefits, one wonders how the Right Wing Spin Machine is going to demonize this bill without making themselves look like a bunch of petty, mean-spirited elites.

It's never stopped them before - they've been very successful in redefining the petty, mean spirited elites as the downtrodden masses, and getting half the downtrodden masses to look at the other half as petty, mean spirited elites.

Quite a trick, since the traditional advantage of the petty, mean spirited elites has been their ability to buy media airtime, while the downtrodden masses have traditionally had to be content with public access channels and grassroots organization.

The sheer volume of right wing media continues to amaze me, not just radio and television, but mass mailings, the speech circuit, etc. and the production values are all top of the line. It's gotta be a multi-billion dollar industry.

I thought you lived in 'Burque?

 

[Freefall_mc]

Courage, sound judgment, compassion, and wisdom; qualities needed to conquer our selfishness and unfounded fears.

Well done, House. And nice touch walking together through the dimwits still living in the early 60s.


Btw, I never want to read that much again to find out who the hell is lying.
The right needs to get their elephant asses off the bench! As one who votes both sides of the aisle, I am pissed off at belligerent wimps running from rational debate and the issues we face. We can no longer stick our heads in the freakin sand. People deserve TWO parties contributing diverse views and solutions. Those guilty, should quit encouraging prejudice, hate and violence, and get their shit together! And quit lying!

 

[DeeZire]

... People deserve TWO parties contributing diverse views and solutions. ...

Obviously, you haven't been paying attention. The conservatives have contributed a solution: Don't get sick, but if you do, please die quickly and quietly out of sight of my gated community.

 

[amicus]

The legal pundits are saying that a lawsuit will halt any implimentation of the Health Bill until the case makes its' way to the Supreme Court. They are predicting a 'fast track' in the Court and that it could be heard within a few months.

We shall see. Constitutional or not?

Amicus

 

[Freefall_mc]

Obviously, you haven't been paying attention. The conservatives have contributed a solution: Don't get sick, but if you do, please die quickly and quietly out of sight of my gated community.

Some of them have solutions, like those added to the bill. I just wish they would remember their vows of office. I guess the pressure of their party is too much for them. Sad, the pervertions that are being displayed. Bad example for the easily influenced seeking purpose.

 

[Vielle]

you know
i haven't even been paying attention
sorta avoiding the news actually
didn't think it would happen
how could it
so much confusion
so much cynicism
so much selfish self-defeating ignorance
then it did
it did
it really did

thanks obama

i love you

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I've been looking at the legal problems for ObamaCare. Its a 10th Amendment problem.

The U.S.Constitution doesnt empower Congress to make people buy anything, and the 10th Amendment reserves that power to the States; so your State can make you buy car insurance but Congress cant.

Congress generally gets around the 10th Amendment by linking compliance with money.

 

[DG Hear]

What a croc of shit. Half this stuff we already have in Ohio. No kid can be turned downfor treatment at any hospital, regardless whether they can pay or not.

The medicare program has already added drug coverge if a persons chooses to pay for it.

My friends and relatives who own their own small businesses can't afford coverage for themselves let alone employees. Some of them will be closing there doors if they have the added expenses. These are real cases.

I believe our health insurance program needs to be fixed, but I don't see it here.

For those without coverage (which seems the main concern) How much is it going to cost them. Try to remember the reason they don't have coverage now is because they can't afford it or don't want tp purchase it.

Now these lucky people are going to be forced to buy it with whatever money they have or pay penalties for not getting it.

No one seems to know what actual covrage we will be paying for. Surgery? Doctor visits? major problems like cancer or diabities, MS, etc.

What isn't covered? How much is it going to cost? I may be old fashioned but shouldn't these types of question be answered before a bill of this size is voted on.

Not at all convinced this is what we need. Just another way for the government to bring in more money.

So I guess all of you who are cheering now are happy to pay whatever they are willing to charge without knowing what you are getting for your dollar.

 

[Bobby_3111]

I think all this is premature anyway, if things keep going the way it is then in november the republicans will just repeal the law when they get a majority again.

I have no love for republicans and the're bullshit either but I know they'll eat that shit up, being the *saviors* of the land by repealing the legislation that just got passed through. I usually look closely at the people up for election before i vote, this year i'm just gonna vote republican for the hell of it and hope this thing gets kicked into the same repeal corner as prohibition.

 

[sr71plt]

I think all this is premature anyway, if things keep going the way it is then in november the republicans will just repeal the law when they get a majority again.

I have no love for republicans and the're bullshit either but I know they'll eat that shit up, being the *saviors* of the land by repealing the legislation that just got passed through. I usually look closely at the people up for election before i vote, this year i'm just gonna vote republican for the hell of it and hope this thing gets kicked into the same repeal corner as prohibition.

This this morning from political pundit Larry Sabato. The Republicans won't work to repeal the law (although some attorney generals of states will for state reasons rather than party reasons). There is a lot in the law they like and were opposing the Obama adminsitration just for opposition sake. They will try to tinker with the bill while it's still in conference on the reconcilliation within the bounds of having it vetoed by Obama in the end.

This wasn't a Republican "no" against health care reform of some sort. It was a "no" against Obama (and the fear that passing a health care reform law of some sort--which the Republicans didn't do the whole time they had control of Congress--will result in increased public support for the Obama administration. The idiocy of the tea baggers is that they have been knee jerking against their own self-interests.)

 

[Carnevil9]

I've been looking at the legal problems for ObamaCare. Its a 10th Amendment problem.

The U.S.Constitution doesnt empower Congress to make people buy anything, and the 10th Amendment reserves that power to the States; so your State can make you buy car insurance but Congress cant.

Congress generally gets around the 10th Amendment by linking compliance with money.

Your state can't "make" you buy car insurance. They can require you to buy LIABILITY insurance (not insure yourself) in exchange for the privilege of driving on public roads, but you are free to decline the exchange. It's hardly the same as a unilateral requirement to purchase something.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

This this morning from political pundit Larry Sabato. The Republicans won't work to repeal the law (although some attorney generals of states will for state reasons rather than party reasons). There is a lot in the law they like and were opposing the Obama adminsitration just for opposition sake. They will try to tinker with the bill while it's still in conference on the reconcilliation within the bounds of having it vetoed by Obama in the end.

This wasn't a Republican "no" against health care reform of some sort. It was a "no" against Obama (and the fear that passing a health care reform law of some sort--which the Republicans didn't do the whole time they had control of Congress--will result in increased public support for the Obama administration. The idiocy of the tea baggers is that they have been knee jerking against their own self-interests.)

I agree with you about the GOP secretly luvin it, but the opposing arguments I've heard doom it in its present form. I expect the law to become like Medicaid and Medicare where the Feds link money to state laws that mandate taxes to pay for it. This is exactly how the Feds and States get around the 10th Amendment with all the other Federal programs.

 

[Bobby_3111]

This this morning from political pundit Larry Sabato. The Republicans won't work to repeal the law (although some attorney generals of states will for state reasons rather than party reasons). There is a lot in the law they like and were opposing the Obama adminsitration just for opposition sake. They will try to tinker with the bill while it's still in conference on the reconcilliation within the bounds of having it vetoed by Obama in the end.

This wasn't a Republican "no" against health care reform of some sort. It was a "no" against Obama (and the fear that passing a health care reform law of some sort--which the Republicans didn't do the whole time they had control of Congress--will result in increased public support for the Obama administration. The idiocy of the tea baggers is that they have been knee jerking against their own self-interests.)

Well if thats the case then I hope there's an independent on the ballot. I still think they'll go for political brownie points trying to repeal it, but it might just be wishful thinking, oh well.