GLOBAL WARMING FLAKES: The Breakfast of Losers.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/RFK-79834057.html

Uh, Bobby, whazz dat stuff you be steppin in?

 

[trysail]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/RFK-79834057.html

Uh, Bobby, whazz dat stuff you be steppin in?

Classic. Just fuckin' classic.

"Nothing is more frightening than ignorance in action."
-Goethe

 

[TE999]

Hey! Anybody seen that Chicken Little guy around? We need him running and screaming so we can get some more grants to study Global Warming or Climate Change or whatever it's called now. We may actually have to get jobs if we're not careful.

signed:

Dewberry Otherday
President
Climate Realignment and Pollution Solutions (CRAPS) Ltd.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Hey! Anybody seen that Chicken Little guy around? We need him running and screaming so we can get some more grants to study Global Warming or Climate Change or whatever it's called now. We may actually have to get jobs if we're not careful.

signed:

Dewberry Otherday
President
Climate Realignment and Pollution Solutions (CRAPS) Ltd.

Yeah, this is hilarious. 'Cuz, everyone knows that government-funded research is just a scam for slackers.

If they were manly researchers, they'd take the big bucks from the oil companies and parrot whatever the boss tells them to say.

 

[sr71plt]

Yeah, this is hilarious. 'Cuz, everyone knows that government-funded research is just a scam for slackers.

If they were manly researchers, they'd take the big bucks from the oil companies and parrot whatever the boss tells them to say.

The government should be using its grant funds to develop male enhancement products.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

The government should be using its grant funds to develop male enhancement products.

And if they did and marketed them the country wouldn't be in the RED.

 

[Huckleman2000]

And if they did and marketed them the country wouldn't be in the RED.

Yup. 'Cuz everyone wants a bigger dick.

That's your worldview in a nutshell.

 

[sr71plt]

Yup. 'Cuz everyone wants a bigger dick.

That's your worldview in a nutshell.

One of the criticisms that stick to we liberals, Huck, is that we don't have a sense of humor about anything. Just sayin'.

 

[Handley_Page]

Have a look at this:-


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/08/andrew_montford_interview/

 

[Huckleman2000]

One of the criticisms that stick to we liberals, Huck, is that we don't have a sense of humor about anything. Just sayin'.

I have a great sense of humor. I just choose to use it as a knife sometimes. What was clever about my post was that I used Zeb's own words to expose the underlying ridiculous premise of his attempt at humor.

The criticisms about "liberals" sense of humor are a canard. Cons bring that up when they've made inappropriate comments and people call them on it. "It was only a joke - lighten up!" attempts to defuse the situation, while still allowing the offender the assumption of goodwill. It's a misunderstanding of the concepts of satire, parody, and irony.

Sarah Palin is a fucking retard. Now THAT's funny.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Just a view from the bleachers.

There is always climate change. The dinosaurs got blown away when it got warm (or was it cold). Then it got wet and Big Oil wasn't there

Is this AGW? Heck I don't know and all the 'experts' seem to be alchemists trying to turn gold into lead. Twenty years ago we were all going to fry because of holes in the ozone layer. That was disproved.

Now we're going to fry because there are not enough holes in the atmosphere. Please allow me to be a cynic

We rant against jihadists, Bible Belt loonies, even Hassidic jews, but isn't this the same as a Pat Robertson campaign?

The science on AGW is as questionable as with many scares - pig flu, bird flu, AIDS and a whole series of diseases that scientists try to conflate to get more government grants.

 

[sr71plt]

Well, no, Huck. You took a "side out" for a neutral one-liner joke, which Zeb picked up on in the neutral zone, and you flipped it back into the battleground.

I'm not all that fond of zealotry on any side of an issue. Intensity tends to erase reason and moves into the boring. This is a porn discussion board--it's not where anyone actually makes any decisions or does anything constructive on sociopolitical issues. This sort of discussion is just a form of masturbation--a substitute for the real thing, which we actually offer in aids here. Makes the political discussion idea on this board pretty ridiculous.

This side jaunt occurred to me because I've just finished writing a SciFi erotic e-book with just the premise--that scientific development is all fine and good, but that society kept male enhancement issues at the forefront--putting their money where their trues interests were--and had gotten trapped in a cycle on where that inevitably led.

Now that we've had a time out for something that's actually relevant to this Web site, by all means reengage in your bottomless, meaningless political squabblings.

 

[stephen55]

You're having fun, but think a little....

To paraphrase that old chestnut about a little knowledge being a dangerous thing, how about "A little location is a dangerous sample".

i) Global warming should cause less snowfall.
ii) The East coast got hit with a big dump of snow.

Therefore...
iii) Global Warming is a hoax.

Got to hand it to you guys, you've proved your point. Yessir, and Damned straight, global warming can't be possible. It's inconceivable, totally, absolutely and in all other ways, inconceivable.

You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means...(The Princess Bride)

Meanwhile, out West in British Columbia, in preparation for the Winter Olympics, snow is being trucked in to add to the paltry amount of melting snow at some of the venues.

i) Global warming should cause less snowfall.
ii) The Olympic venues are short snow.

Therefore...
iii) Global Warming is true.


But then, as a friend from Lotus Land quipped....

The irony of it is that the snowboarders will be so stoned that they probably wouldn't notice they were boarding on straw the VANOC has been covering the mountain with to try and preserve the snow. Everything should be fine as long as no one drops a smoldering spliff - we could have the first winter Olympics venue that was burnt out by a grass fire!

 

[stephen55]

Oops....

snow is being trucked in to add to the paltry amount of melting snow at some of the venues.

I should have added that straw is being put down and then trucked in snow is added on top.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

God obviously hates Canada saying, THEY BELIEVE ALL THAT GLOBAL WARMING HAPPY HORSESHIT, SO LEMME GIVE UM SOME DURING THE OLYMPICS!

 

[stephen55]

God obviously hates Canada saying, THEY BELIEVE ALL THAT GLOBAL WARMING HAPPY HORSESHIT, SO LEMME GIVE UM SOME DURING THE OLYMPICS!

And I thought that God hates America. At least that's what the Westboro types tell me.
Maybe that's why He sent America the Westboro types.
Of course, maybe those types just seem to like the fertile soil down there.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

STEVE

No, God hates Canadians; he told me. He said global warming is just to get Canadians used to being in Hell after they die.

 

[sr71plt]

How could God hate Canadians? I would be surprised to hear that God even knew the Canadians were there.

 

[stephen55]

uhh....JBJ.....seriously.....

STEVE

No, God hates Canadians; he told me. He said global warming is just to get Canadians used to being in Hell after they die.

If you talk to God, you are praying;
If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia.


Thomas Szasz in The Second Sin (1973)

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

STEVIE

No. Religious convictions dont qualify as diagnostic criteria in the DSM4. Nice try!

The problem for MDs is they study everything for about 5 minutes, each subject; then they treat colds, flu, hemorrhoids, and flatulence for 40 years.

 

[xssve]

As usual, the problem with conservatives is that they tend to take everything literally - if you don't understand the role of the North Atlantic current in climate, you're just parading your ignorance.

Just because it has the word "warming" it, doesn't really explain the complications of what is, after all, a complex global ecosystem, shit you guys don't even understand basic economics, and that is a man made system in which variables can be controlled.

Climate ain't like a light switch, or your remote, it's not binary, like you're used to, i.e., Faux News and everything else.

 

[stephen55]

Thomas Stephen Szasz (pronounced Saas); born April 15, 1920 in Budapest, Hungary) is a psychiatrist and academic. Since 1990[1] he has been Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry at the State University of New York Health Science Center in Syracuse, New York. He is a prominent figure in the antipsychiatry movement, a well-known social critic of the moral and scientific foundations of psychiatry, and of the social control aims of medicine in modern society, as well as of scientism. He is well known for his books, The Myth of Mental Illness (1960) and The Manufacture of Madness: A Comparative Study of the Inquisition and the Mental Health Movement (1970) which set out some of the arguments with which he is most associated.

His views on special treatment follow from classical liberal roots which are based on the principles that each person has the right to bodily and mental self-ownership and the right to be free from violence from others, although he criticized the "Free World" as well as the Communist states for its use of psychiatry and "drogophobia". He believes that suicide, the practice of medicine, use and sale of drugs and sexual relations should be private, contractual, and outside of state jurisdiction.

In 1973, the American Humanist Association named him Humanist of the Year.
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JBJ, Thomas Szasz sounds like your kind of guy. He believes messages from God are just that and nothing else. That quote from his book goes to his belief that each person has the right to bodily and mental self-ownership

Next time, do your homework. Oh, one more thing, Szasz certainly isn't one to put any faith in the DSM-IV.[/I][/SIZE]

A child becomes an adult when he realizes that he has a right not only to be right but also to be wrong.

Thomas Szasz, The Second Sin (1973) "Childhood"

Like I said, he's your kind of guy.

 

[PoppingTom]

A child becomes an adult when he realizes that he has a right not only to be right but also to be wrong.

Well, there is a side of America that never ever wants to become "adult" or "grown up". A lot of American creativity is driven by that, so this is not only a bad point.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

STEVIE

I'm familiar with Thomas Szasz. Back in 1970 he was right, I mean, Harry Stack Sullivan had his patients beaten by staff 'to connect with them'. But I've seen the world of psychiatry spin a few times since the 60s-70s, and people do benefit from modern treatments, though the perfessers change their minds everytime they count noses. But Szasz was a sideshow at best. Ron Laing was another assclown. Some of the clowns we worshipped 40 years ago we laugh at today.

Speaking of homework. Read a copy of Julian Jaynes' THE ORIGIN OF CONSCIOUSNESS IN THE BREAKDOWN OF THE BICAMERAL MIND. 5000 years ago everyone was schizophrenic. The book hasnt aged well, but I think Jaynes' had his nose up the right tree.

 

[trysail]

Talk about bizzaro world! When this came across the radio this morning, all I could do was roll my eyes.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123556170

STEVE INSKEEP, host:

It's MORNING EDITION from NPR News. Good morning. I'm Steve Inskeep.

RENEE MONTAGNE, host:

And I'm Renee Montagne.

And many Americans are waking up this morning to news that they are not suffering from the mental disorders they thought were afflicting them. Nobodys symptoms have changed. The names we give those symptoms have changed.

INSKEEP: Today the American Psychiatric Association releases a list of disorders that it intends to publish in its new manual. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, or DSM, is important because what you call a disease affects how you treat it. We begin with a change for kids diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

Here's NPRs Alix Spiegel.

ALIX SPIEGEL: Bipolar disorder in adults is a disease characterized by intense highs and lows. There are periods of mania, there are periods of depression, and its seen as very serious, a lifelong biological dysfunction. Now, today there are close to one million kids diagnosed with bipolar, but thats new. Almost no kids were given the label before the mid-'90s. So what happened? According to David Shaffer, one of the people behind the new DSM, there has been a massive, massive case of misdiagnosis.

Dr. DAVID SHAFFER (Columbia University Medical Center): I dont think anybody is arguing that these are perfectly normal children that get the label. We are saying these kids are very sick, but they probably dont have bipolar disorder and they probably do deserve a name which adequately describes what they are doing.

SPIEGEL: And so Shaffer and his colleagues today proposed in the new DSM a diagnosis called Temper Dysregulation Disorder, a diagnosis they hope will be used by clinicians instead of the bipolar label.

Dr. SHAFFER: In a sense, we are offering a home for the children that we have been describing, which I think might be seen as more useful and more applicable.

SPIEGEL: So how is it that a million kids were given the bipolar label in the first place? The rise of childhood bipolar disorder got its start in the early 90s through a 34-year-old researcher named Janet Wozniak. Wozniak was researching kids with ADHD, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, who had this incredible explosive anger.

Dr. JANET WOZNIAK (Massachusetts General Hospital): These children were continuing as they got older, past the preschool years, to have outbursts that were occurring on a regular basis, were huge scenes - swearing, kicking, hitting, biting, spitting.

SPIEGEL: Now, kids with ADHD have trouble controlling their impulses. So anger isnt unusual. But to Wozniak, this felt different. Then one day, she says, she had this breakthrough. The problem with the kids wasnt impulse control. The problem was: they couldnt control their mood. The kids were bipolar.

Dr. WOZNIAK: This child who I was thinking of is having really difficult to treat ADHD. I really was ignoring the serious mood component.

SPIEGEL: Wozniak wrote up a paper which proposed that many of the kids diagnosed with ADHD were actually bipolar, and it was hugely influential. But David Shaffer and many other psychiatrists were never convinced. He says that in order to claim that these kids were bipolar, Wozniak had to change one critical component of the traditional definition of bipolar disorder, also known as manic depression.

Dr. SHAFFER: The defining feature of manic depression was that it was episodic, that you had episodes of depression and episodes of mania and episodes of normal mood.

SPIEGEL: But the kids Wozniak described rarely had discreet week-long or month-long episodes. They just had consistent problems with rage. The fact that the kids dont have episodes, Shaffer says, is one reason that people at the DSM were skeptical of the childhood bipolar label. And he also points out that bipolar disorder is supposed to be a lifelong condition, but the kids Wozniak identified dont always grow up to have problems with their moods.

Dr. SHAFFER: Its not any very good evidence that they grow up to be bipolar or that if you look at the background of established bipolar adults, that they were like this when they were children.

SPIEGEL: Shaffer says he and his colleagues were also concerned because of the bipolar drugs given to kids, particularly anti-psychotic medications.

Dr. SHAFFER: Which we think have quite profound effects on important mechanisms in the brain.

SPIEGEL: Its impossible to say what will happen, whether clinicians will actually alter their practice. But critics of bipolar say this change is long overdue.

Alix Spiegel, NPR News, Washington.