CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW!? (Massachusetts)

[amicus]

Ain’t it funny…recalling the D’s applauding the American Voter in 2008 as they swept the Messiah into office…and now, with some twit quoting druggie George Carlin, a darling of the Left, that the individual voter sucks….

Go figure…

The Polls have just closed and even before the first results are announced, the Dem’s are claiming foul in addition to dissing their own candidate for running a poor campaign.

All three cable news networks, such as they are, are interviewing Democrats who are already conceding the election before the first vote-count has been announced.

What do they know that the general public does not? Are the Polls that decisive and unimpeachable?

“Health Care D-Day in Mass.?” (On Cnn)

“Coakley on vacation” (MSNBC) MSNBC also posted the first election returns, twenty minutes after the Polls closed, Brown 54.6% - Coakley 44.5%

At twenty five minutes after closing CNN shows Brown leading 52% to 47%, five percent of the vote in, Brown 54,000, Coakley 49,000…

Strange…with about ten percent of the vote in and Brown, the Republican, increasing his lead, all three Cable stations returned to covering the Haitian Disaster. What am I missing here?

Twenty-percent of vote counted, Brown, 52%-47%, forty five minutes after Polls close. 35,000 vote lead…

45% of vote counted, 55,000 vote lead for Brown

60% 53-46, 85,000 vote lead…one hour after Polls closed.

Rachael Maddow, MSNBC, “Democrats formed a circular firing squad even before the Polls were closed placing blame.”

One hour, twenty one minutes after Polls closed, AP calls the Election for the Republican.

Coakley Concedes...

Virginia, New Jersey and now Massachussetts....can you hear us now?

Amicus


Let the spin begin…

 

[R. Richard]

Senate Special Election - Massachusetts
1940 of 2168 Precincts Reporting
NAME VOTES Pct.
Scott Brown (R) 1,037,903 52%
Martha Coakley (D) 922,018 47%
Joseph Kennedy (I) 19,881 1%

As of 9:37PM Boston time. Brown has won in a very blue state. There's probably a message in here, somewhere.

 

[TE999]

It's all George Bush's fault...no it's Karl Rove's fault...no, it's Bush and Rove's fault...no, it's those neo-con reactionary teabaggers...no, it's Fox News' fault...no it's Coakley's fault...Coakley and her campaign staff's fault...that's the ticket...Coakley and her staff are to blame...where's that bus? Throw her under it.

 

[JackLuis]

Jon Stewart describes the "Democrats" chagrin.

So the Democrats shoot craps again.

 

[amicus]

The original Tea Party in Boston? (hope memory serves), was called: "The Shot Heard Round the World!" I have heard comparisons to this election as Republicans and Conservatives are touting their ability to stop all the socialist legislation proposed by the Obama administration.

Coakley's concession speach was class caliber; well done.

ami

 

[amicus]

Jon Stewart describes the "Democrats" chagrin.

So the Democrats shoot craps again.:eek:

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"The Kennedy Legend goes down to a Naked Guy driving an old truck?"

Good line...heh



ami

 

[Boxlicker101]

The original Tea Party in Boston? (hope memory serves), was called: "The Shot Heard Round the World!" I have heard comparisons to this election as Republicans and Conservatives are touting their ability to stop all the socialist legislation proposed by the Obama administration.

Coakley's concession speach was class caliber; well done.

ami

"The Shot Heard ''Round the World" was the first shot fired at Lexington on April 19, 1775. I don't know who fired it, or even which side.

 

[amicus]

Thank you for the correction, perhaps the analogy still holds if indeed the Massachussetts election results are a bell-weather on Obama leadership and policies.

I think that one cannot question that the Obama administration is moving the nation to the Left. I call it as it is, towards a more socialist nation, quibble with democratic socialism is you wish, but still...

If indeed the election foretells the off year elections this coming fall and Congressional majorities shift from the Democrats to the Republicans, as has happened before, this is indeed, a 'game changing' event.

Amicus

 

[amicus]

Senator elect Scott Brown's Victory speech was long...still going on...and displays a 'homie' type politician with quite good grammar...very few uh's & ah's and filler's, but a good command of the language of the common man.

And his 'truck', will live on...with now, 201,000 miles on it....the one Obama criticized....wrong move Mr. O....

amicus

edited to add: Fox carried the Victory speech, when I tuned to CNN and MSNBC, it was not being broadcast...all three networks carried Coakley's concession speech....go figure...

ahem....

 

[Liar]

As of 9:37PM Boston time. Brown has won in a very blue state. There's probably a message in here, somewhere.

Yep. That complacency can be a bitch.

Brown seems to me like a charismatic populist, with a side of loveable douchebag. And that's exactly the type of politician that pulls votes his way, when pitched against a boring stiff.

I'm sure there are other factors too, but "enthusiasm gap" are probably the most important two words to understand the outcome.

 

[amicus]

"Loveable douchebag..."?

C'mon, Liar, that is low class, even for you.

This is a major event, like it or not. Watch American news channels tomorrow and see just how big it is.

Amicus

 

[TE999]

"Loveable douchebag..."?

C'mon, Liar, that is low class, even for you.

This is a major event, like it or not. Watch American news channels tomorrow and see just how big it is.

Amicus

The initial news stories on the web, depending on the sources, are a mixture of muted kudos for Brown, slaps at Coakley, confusion amongst the Dems and wails that Health Care's dead in the water.

Now Sen. Jim Webb (D) is calling for a delay on the Health Care legislation vote until Brown is seated and a lot of his colleagues are agreeing with him.

 

[Liar]

"Loveable douchebag..."?

C'mon, Liar, that is low class, even for you.

This is a major event, like it or not. Watch American news channels tomorrow and see just how big it is.

Amicus

Jesus, lay off the porcupine act. If you presume that everything I write is a partisan stab against you, I can't help you, man.

I'm just describing their public style is all. Loveable douche is not a negative thing. It works. It charms people. Charisma counts in politics. If you don't think it's a factor, you must have been asleep for the last two decades. Clinton had it in droves, and GWB was a charming cowboy with a swagger winning over two boring stiffs.

Brown did a good job in rallying his base. Coakley definitely did not. What was the voter turnout? If it's relatively low, and a filler election like this generally is, getting your base to the polls is key.

 

[amicus]

I sense this sets the stage for the elections nine months from now in November and that it insists that campaign has now begun.

So much spin going on...I won't even try to objectively sort it out. One of the most interesting is the supposition that the 'one party' forced legislation of the Democrats has raised the ire of the American voting public. Keep in mind that the Socialized Medicine bill being considered by both the House and Senate, is strictly a one party issue, there are no Republicans even involved in the closed door debate.

Peeps don't like that, no matter how sincere the Left is in believing that the US is far behind in providing entitlements to health care to all citizens.

Health care is Not a public 'right', it is a matter of individual choice; Climate Change is not an urgent or a World issue, is is a bogus political ploy for control and regulation.

Should be an interesting off year election...

amicus

 

[Dragonlipz]

Mon Ami,
Let's just throw in the towel and anoint Sarah the First as Supremo Being.......you twits deserve her and I hope she gets in as Pres.....like I said: you all would deserve her.....
In the meantime, inbetween times, put a torch on Obama's funeral pyre.......dance, dance, dance....

 

[Dragonlipz]

I sense this sets the stage for the elections nine months from now in November and that it insists that campaign has now begun.

So much spin going on...I won't even try to objectively sort it out. One of the most interesting is the supposition that the 'one party' forced legislation of the Democrats has raised the ire of the American voting public. Keep in mind that the Socialized Medicine bill being considered by both the House and Senate, is strictly a one party issue, there are no Republicans even involved in the closed door debate.

Peeps don't like that, no matter how sincere the Left is in believing that the US is far behind in providing entitlements to health care to all citizens.

Health care is Not a public 'right', it is a matter of individual choice; Climate Change is not an urgent or a World issue, is is a bogus political ploy for control and regulation.

Should be an interesting off year election...

amicus

What an idiot.......................

 

[TE999]

A commentator on MSNBC made the remark that the Dems 'have formed a circular firing squad to fix the blame for Coakley's loss'. Quel amusing is it not?

 

[amicus]

Jesus, lay off the porcupine act. If you presume that everything I write is a partisan stab against you, I can't help you, man.

I'm just describing their public style is all. Loveable douche is not a negative thing. It works. It charms people. Charisma counts in politics. If you don't think it's a factor, you must have been asleep for the last two decades. Clinton had it in droves, and GWB was a charming cowboy with a swagger winning over two boring stiffs.

Brown did a good job in rallying his base. Coakley definitely did not. What was the voter turnout? If it's relatively low, and a filler election like this generally is, getting your base to the polls is key.[/QUOTE]

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There is a language failure to communicate here, Liar, 'douche bag', in any aspect is a pejorative or derogatory term as it is a device to cleanse a smelly vagina.

Charisma on the other hand, is an entirely different matter and we are somewhat in agreement there.

There is some truth in what you posit, but only some, as this election was, in part, as anecdotal interviews confirmed, a referendum on the direction of policies in the Nations Capitol.

Massachussetts actually has a socialized medicine plan in place, every citizen has been fully covered for the past few years. The problem is, as it always is, that the costs have gone through the roof and is bankrupting the State. Socialized Medicine, National Healthcare, whatever you choose to call it, simply has never worked, cannot work and never will be cost effective.

The Massachussetts Plan was inaugurated under a Republican Governor and, at one time, had an 80% approval rating. It is now detested by most and on the verge of failure and the vote in that State was, in effect, a clarion call to the Nation at large to not experiment in such socialism utopian plans.

You might reconsider your use of idioms, especially across language and cultural barriers. I try not to use any in my fiction but do occasionally drop one in depending on the subject or issue at hand.



ami

 

[Carnevil9]

I'm wondering if the Repubs might have found their next Presidential Candidate in Mr. Brown. He's got the charisma, he's got the message, and now he's got the track record. And we all know that a freshman Senator is qualified to be Prez..... The Messiah showed us the truth of that last year........

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I'm wondering if the Repubs might have found their next Presidential Candidate in Mr. Brown. He's got the charisma, he's got the message, and now he's got the track record. And we all know that a freshman Senator is qualified to be Prez..... The Messiah showed us the truth of that last year........

The idea crossed my mind BUT Brown sleeps with the enemy occasionally.

Looks like Boxer of California is next to go. Maybe Reid, too.

 

[Liar]

I'm wondering if the Repubs might have found their next Presidential Candidate in Mr. Brown. He's got the charisma, he's got the message, and now he's got the track record. And we all know that a freshman Senator is qualified to be Prez..... The Messiah showed us the truth of that last year........

Oh, I get it. All this talk about Obama being only a fresman senator without experience, was just because he wasn't your freshman senator without experience. Groovy.

 

[Liar]

There is a language failure to communicate here, Liar, 'douche bag', in any aspect is a pejorative or derogatory term as it is a device to cleanse a smelly vagina.

Oh don't be silly, I know what it is. And I don't just sit in my room and make up semantics. I learn the language and use of it from you Americans.

If I call someone a handsome bastard, it's not because I am implying that they were born out of wedlock.

The man do project a douchey image. That cliché confident, alpha male, frat boy, towel slapping kind of guy. Doesn't mean he is all that, I'm talking about perception here, and arcetypes. Especially in contrast with his opponent, who came off as a mousey, grey, little suburbian mom.

There is some truth in what you posit, but only some, as this election was, in part, as anecdotal interviews confirmed, a referendum on the direction of policies in the Nations Capitol.

That's why I think that the enthusiasm factor is the key to intepret the result.

If this was a referendum on the Dems on Wasington, why did Brown win? Because he swayed a vast number of Dems and intependents to his side? Or because he had the enthusiasm wave working for him?

The latter seems far more probable to me. There are exceptions of course - how could there not be with a population of 300 million people? - and their anecdotes paints what I think is a misrepresentation of the current zeitgeist.

From what I can see, left wing sympathisers who support Obama do so with complacency, and left wing sympathisers dissapointed with Obama are so apathetically.

Again, how high was the voter turnout? In the polarized political landscape of the US anno 09 and 10, getting out the vote from your base, means more than ever.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The Democrat Base cant vote; theyre either illegals, in prison, confined to sheltered workshops, still in high school, or fighting American troops overseas.

 

[Pure]

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/celebrity/news/scott-brown-nude-in-cosmo

wiki notes that brown has no problem with roe v wade, though he's against 'partial birth' abortions so called (D and E).

he favored the Massachusetts health plan. supposedly opposes the present National legistlation as too costly.

by ami's standard, rather leftish! a fence straddler, as any non-looney Republican tends to be.

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is there a wave of revolutionary fervor for small gov't, a swell of tea-bagger support that had led to the voter rebellion against 'socialism', and event like the first shots at the Battle of Lexington.

in the novels of amicus, yes.