a new whining republicans thread

[voluptuary_manque]

That's exactly what the United States of America manufactures these days, Liar. That IS our Gross Domestic Product. We have an economy based entirely on paper shuffling, home pizza delivery, noise production, illiterate football players and suing each other— that's all that's left for us to do after complying with regulatory fiats, economic dictates, environmental requirements and political correctness.

For someone who claims to understand the world of finance, that is a remarkably bald-faced lie. In spite of the "regulatory fiats, economic dictates, environmental requirements and political correctness" you know damned well that 20% of all the dollar value manufacturing turned out by the entire world is done right here. If our dearly beloved Congressbodies would cut out the corporate giveaway to companies to move overseas, it would be more.

 

[sr71plt]

I'll bet youve never 'wall walked' in a trailer or lived in a 'sheet-room.' In my collection of stuff I have a photo of a tarpaper shed I lived in as a kid. My old man lived in a tent during the Great Depression.

No, but I've stayed in a Holiday Inn.

 

[sr71plt]

To the people the politicians lie, cheat and steal their way into power. They will do anything to stay in office to become career politicians.

So, were you considering running for public office, Zeb?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Well, if today's American age is making your life shitty, then what can I say, sucks to be you. I'm doing quite nicely after the Change, way better than I was doing before it. Nothing Obama's planning or doing so far is hurting my bottom line or affecting my personal goals.

Sorry for not living in the liberal-based misery and depression that you wanted to hear. Maybe in 2016 when President Palin starts making policy I'll get back to you.

Where did I say my life was shitty?

Where did you get the idea, the inkling of a thought, that I would vote for Palin?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

So, were you considering running for public office, Zeb?

Shit no...I hear enough whining here, why would I want to be somewhere that it would happen a million time more?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Shit no...I hear enough whining here, why would I want to be somewhere that it would happen a million time more?

Because you could be the TOP whiner!

 

[rgraham666]

Where did I say my life was shitty?

Where did you get the idea, the inkling of a thought, that I would vote for Palin?

Considering the fury of your posts here what other conclusion could a person come to?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Where did I say my life was shitty?

Where did you get the idea, the inkling of a thought, that I would vote for Palin?

I'm sorry...did I not wet the bed enough as a liberal for you to understand the meaning of my words? My bad, brah! I didn't know you were living large these days! Gimme five!

You know, people complain about living so much lately, you can't tell who's really suffering and who's just hyping up hyperbole for the sake of being interesting and having something to say in an internet community!

Considering the fury of your posts here what other conclusion could a person come to?

Maybe Zeb's just disappointed we don't have flying cars and moon bases now like "they" said we would back in the '70s. That would sour anyone's puss over our government. I should be a more compassionate bed-wetting liberal.

 

[TE999]

Where did I say my life was shitty?

You didn't and that's the problem. Your life must be terminally shitty in order to empathize with the uber-angst expressed on this thread or others of it's ilk.

You must feel persecuted, victimized, oppressed, beaten down, subjugated, denied your right to (or the opportunity to) insert activity and/or material possession here, set upon, conspired against, spied upon, followed, stalked, suppressed and generally fucked over by society in general.

Only then can you truly appreciate what a gulag, ghetto, concentration camp, no man's land and festering sore of injustice and bigotry Amerikka realy is.

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If all the whining and complaining of various and sundry victims on this and similar threads was converted to electricity, you could light up New York for a year, easy.

 

[SlickTony]

The only thing I wanted to have it's own forum was Politics. Period. Now, get off your fucking high horse.

Can't be done. Not happening. If, in mainstream forums, even political threads tend to devolve into discussions of sex (and cats) does it not stand to reason that in a sex forum, any thread can devolve into politics?

 

[cloudy]

If all the whining and complaining of various and sundry victims on this and similar threads was converted to electricity, you could light up New York for a year, easy.

Ya think?

Look back through the political threads of the past six months, at least, and see who's doing all the whining and complaining.

Oh, look! It's you, and Zeb, and amicus.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

If all the whining and complaining of various and sundry victims on this and similar threads was converted to electricity, you could light up New York for a year, easy.

TE999 for Green Energy Czar!!!

 

[TE999]

Ya think?

Look back through the political threads of the past six months, at least, and see who's doing all the whining and complaining.

Oh, look! It's you, and Zeb, and amicus.

I don't whine, I make statements. I don't complain, I give my opinions. If someone doesn't like it, hard cheese.

I don't consider myself a victim like so many other people that post here. I'm one of the oppressors.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I don't whine, I make statements. I don't complain, I give my opinions. If someone doesn't like it, hard cheese.

I don't consider myself a victim like so many other people that post here. I'm one of the oppressors.

A spy!

gedouddahere yah bum!

 

[TE999]

A spy!

gedouddahere yah bum!

Curses, foiled again!

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Ya think?

Look back through the political threads of the past six months, at least, and see who's doing all the whining and complaining.

Oh, look! It's you, and Zeb, and amicus.

And a year ago it was you and Stella and all the rest of the usual suspects...big fucking deal.

 

[Stella_Omega]

And a year ago it was you and Stella and all the rest of the usual suspects...big fucking deal.

A year ago, the Republicans had just begun to whine... They lost the elections! It wasn't Fair! It was a conspiracy!

And they haven't stopped yet.

 

[trysail]

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Lithium Reserves for Electric Cars Let Bolivia Disrupt Markets
By Michael Smith and Matthew Craze

Dec. 7 (Bloomberg) -- The wind whips across a 3,900-square- mile expanse of salt on a desert plateau in Bolivia’s Andes Mountains. Plastic washtubs filled with an emerald-colored liquid rich in lithium dot the Uyuni Salt Flat, all the way to the volcanoes on the horizon.

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Waist-high slabs of salt are piled around a pond that’s shimmering in the sun. Francisco Quisbert, an Indian peasant leader known as Comrade Lithium, sits inside a crumbling adobe building on the edge of the desert. He’s explaining how Bolivia, South America’s second-poorest country, will supply the world with lithium, which will be used in batteries that power electric cars.

The world’s largest untapped lithium reserve -- containing enough of the lightest metal to make batteries for more than 4.8 billion electric cars -- sits just below Quisbert’s feet, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

The automobile industry plans to introduce dozens of electric models with lithium batteries in the next three years.

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‘Lithium Is the Hope’
“Lithium is the hope not only for Bolivia but for all the people on the planet,” says Morales, who, according to polls, was probably elected to a second term in elections yesterday.

If Morales gets his way, he will upset a market now controlled by two publicly traded companies: Princeton, New Jersey-based Rockwood Holdings Inc., which is 29 percent owned by Henry Kravis’s KKR & Co., and Santiago-based Sociedad Quimica y Minera de Chile SA, or Soquimich.

These two companies produce about 70 percent of the world’s low-cost lithium from a salt flat in Chile, just across the Andes from Bolivia.

Investors are wooing President Morales to be partners in building a Bolivian mine. French billionaire Vincent Bollore, South Korea’s LG Corp. and Japan’s Mitsubishi Corp. and Sumitomo Corp. offered to join with Morales in the project. They’re already helping the government at no cost to design the mine.

‘Like Saudi Arabia’
Bolivia has 35 percent of the world’s lithium resources, according to the USGS.

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“Bolivia could become like Saudi Arabia,” says Gabriel Torres, an economist for Moody’s Investors *Service Inc. in New York. “It has a huge amount of the world’s reserves.”

Carmakers are betting that electric vehicles built to run on lithium batteries will help the industry recover from its worst crisis in three decades. U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration is providing $11 billion in loans and grants to car and battery makers to reduce the country’s dependence on foreign oil.

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42 New Models
The world’s auto companies plan 42 new electric models by 2012, according to an October study by PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. Instead of running on gasoline, these vehicles will be powered by lithium batteries that are charged with electricity made in plants fueled by coal, natural gas, nuclear power, solar power and wind.

General Motors Co. says electric cars are critical for the once-mighty carmaker to restore its technical edge after it filed for bankruptcy in 2009. Electric models, such as the Volt, will help GM meet U.S. standards requiring automakers to increase the average mileage of their fleets as much as 40 percent by 2020.

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“The Volt remains our top priority as far as advanced technology goes,” GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz says. The company expects the Volt to get the equivalent of 230 miles (370 kilometers) per gallon (3.8 liters) of gasoline.

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Treating Depression
By 2020, one in 10 cars manufactured -- or more than 6 million vehicles -- may be powered by lithium batteries, says Carlos Ghosn, chief executive officer of Nissan Motor Co. Car battery sales could jump to $103 billion a year in the next two decades, up from $100 million a year as of October 2009.

About 75 percent of commercial lithium is still used for other things: It helps make glass and ceramics heat resistant, it’s a lubricant and it’s used in a drug to treat depression.

No other metal is better at holding a charge and dissipating heat with as little weight, making lithium the best ingredient known to make batteries for electric cars. Such batteries use a derivative called lithium carbonate to hold electricity they get when plugged into an outlet to be charged.

“Lithium is a very important commodity for the battery,” Ghosn says. “Obviously, we’re going to need to import a lot of it. Countries that have reserves of lithium are going to benefit.”

‘Could be a Rush’
Companies such as Apple Inc., Hewlett-Packard Co. and Nokia Oyj started using rechargeable lithium ion batteries a decade ago, and today they are in millions of iPods, computers and mobile phones.

“There could be a rush to grab up supplies of lithium,” says Alex Molinaroli, president of Johnson Controls Power Solutions, part of the world’s biggest car battery maker. “You’ll see different folks positioning themselves to secure rights to lithium in the future.”

Still, electric cars are a gamble. No one knows how many consumers will buy them, and they’re a long way from performing like gasoline-powered vehicles. GM’s Volt, planned for production in 2010, can go only 40 miles before its battery is drained. Then, a gasoline-powered generator kicks in. An owner can recharge the battery by plugging it into an electrical outlet at home.

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Starting the Mine
Bolivia’s desolate salt flats are at the center of a global rush for lithium. Villegas, the state mining company executive, says a processing plant will start making lithium carbonate in 2010.

By 2014, the mine will produce 30,000 metric tons of lithium carbonate, more than Rockwood’s mine in Chile, which is the world’s second largest. Bolivian scientists say there are about 95 million tons of lithium under the Uyuni Salt Flat, more than 12 times Chile’s reserves. Car and battery companies want a piece of the action. Bollore and his friend, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, have met with Morales to discuss lithium. Bollore, who controls a multibillion-dollar banking, media and shipping empire, owns a lithium battery plant in France and plans to build electric cars.

In February 2009, Morales, during a state visit to France, test-drove Bollore’s Bluecar. Bollore then told Morales they would fund a $5 million study for a mine and help finance construction of a lithium-processing plant.

‘The 21st and 22nd Century’
“It’s you who controls the raw materials for the 21st and 22nd centuries,” Bollore told Morales, according to a videotape of the meeting. “You are like Saudi Arabia.”

Bolivia is up against big odds, says Eduardo Morales, manager of Rockwood’s mine in Chile’s Atacama Salt Flat. Bolivia’s salt flat has few paved roads, and most communities don’t have electricity. The country is landlocked; the nearest port is across the Andes, hundreds of miles away in Chile. And Bolivia has no experience mining lithium.

“They will need outside investors,” says Morales, a Chilean national unrelated to Bolivia’s president.

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Rockwood and Soquimich can sell lithium for about three times what it costs to produce because, until now, production hasn’t been able to keep up with demand, says Brian Jaskula, a lithium specialist at the USGS in Reston, Virginia.

Evaporating Pools
On Chile’s Atacama Salt Flat in the driest desert on Earth, Rockwood and Soquimich produce lithium from evaporating pools that stretch for miles across a sea of formations made of salt. They create those ponds by pumping out lithium-rich water, and then wait 18 months for most of it to evaporate.

Then, they process the remaining liquid into powdered lithium carbonate. It costs about $1 to produce a pound (454 grams), Rockwood’s Morales says. Rockwood and Soquimich sell the powder for about $3 a pound.

“This is a good business, and here’s the money, right here,” says Eduardo Morales, standing at a 1,000-foot-wide (300-meter-wide) pool filled with lithium-bearing water that looks and feels like olive oil at Rockwood’s mine in Chile.

Rockwood and Soquimich have big sway over prices because they have few competitors.

“That’s what this market is,” Jaskula says. “It’s dominated by one or two big players.”

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Lithium Carbonate Prices Jump
In 2009, lithium carbonate prices jumped to $6,500 a metric ton, almost tripling 2006 values, because of surging demand for batteries...

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Swedish pharmaceutical researcher Johan August Arfvedson discovered lithium in 1817. It wasn’t until 1923 that German steelmaker Metallgesellschaft AG began producing lithium on an industrial scale. Bolivia’s government and USGS geologists discovered lithium beneath the Uyuni Salt Flat in 1976.

On the Uyuni Salt Flat, engineers fill metal and plastic containers with brine to test how quickly it will evaporate. Workers are building a small plant to test how to process lithium carbonate...

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601090&sid=a.rQD7FZ3D58

 

[trysail]

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[sr71plt]

( Fair Use Excerpts )

Fair Use doesn't apply to posting to a porn board. It's for library and in-institution academic use.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

A year ago, the Republicans had just begun to whine... They lost the elections! It wasn't Fair! It was a conspiracy!

And they haven't stopped yet.

and neither have you, yet.

 

[Dragonlipz]

Where did I say my life was shitty?

Where did you get the idea, the inkling of a thought, that I would vote for Palin?

Just read your posts and comments.....full of negativity and whiny shit.....I think most of it is repressed racism and 'change rage'......change is good, dude.....change is inevitable.....change, as the I-Ching tells us, is elemental.....
As for voting for Palin, Quien Sabe? You may not have any choice....besides Obama....

 

[Dragonlipz]

Fair Use doesn't apply to posting to a porn board. It's for library and in-institution academic use.

Good try, but there's none so blind as them who cannot breathe......

 

[sr71plt]

Good try, but there's none so blind as them who cannot breathe......

I don't expect it to have any effect--just can't resist pointing out that it's nonsense as an excuse.

I continue having difficulty understanding how writers who would expect their own ownership rights to be respected are so quick to steal and republish the work of other writers. That's got to be the one of the most selfish and cynical "it's all about me" activities going.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Just read your posts and comments.....full of negativity and whiny shit.....I think most of it is repressed racism and 'change rage'......change is good, dude.....change is inevitable.....change, as the I-Ching tells us, is elemental.....
As for voting for Palin, Quien Sabe? You may not have any choice....besides Obama....

Even the GOP may wise up in time, and of course, there could be an epidemic of whining-related deaths...