Big Brother (writerly, I hope)

[TxRad]

The technical issues aren't the problem. Separating the wheat from the chaff and pulling the wheat out to the table to someone who knows how to cook with it are the problems. These are human issue problems, not data base problems. Collection has never been the overriding problem (although data maintenance has been a problem. I can remember when we were were told that data would always be retrieval; all you had to do was put it on microfiche reels). The overriding problems have been selection and analysis and marriage with decision making and implementation.

Take spam filters for e-mail servers. Apply something similar to data. I know, we're talking apples and oranges but at some point there has to be a way of sifting the data. The question is, Hhow much do we/they have to really know to have control? What points of a persons life are most useful in controlling masses of people? That narrows the search drastically.

 

[TxRad]

I don't remember how they explained it. The whole show is based on the concept of "fringe" science and is pretty out there. I watched most of the first season and then missed some episodes and never have had time to catch up, so I haven't even bothered with the second season.

I think I saw the first one and then had to go to work and missed the rest. I don't have TV at work which sure helps with writing time.

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

I think I saw the first one and then had to go to work and missed the rest. I don't have TV at work which sure helps with writing time.

For awhile, you could catch the missed episodes on Hulu, but now they've cut them down to where they only have the last 5.

 

[sr71plt]

Take spam filters for e-mail servers. Apply something similar to data. I know, we're talking apples and oranges but at some point there has to be a way of sifting the data. The question is, Hhow much do we/they have to really know to have control? What points of a persons life are most useful in controlling masses of people? That narrows the search drastically.

I can only repeat that we aren't talking technical capability problems, we are talking people data manipulation problems.

 

[lance gt]

The problem data researchers have is deciding what is valuable and what isn't. If you want to hide in plain sight and cause havoc, do everything in a simple code of commonly used words that go undetected by search-bots. Making yourself invisble to them is a hard thing to do. Being able to change your identity on the fly is one way. Id's of different people to use and never using the same place twice makes it hard to keep track of you. Even cash is traceable through DNA tracing. Your story sounds as if it's about staying undercover and dealing with Big Brother in the near future, when the takeover comes and everyone's life is controlled. All the hidden secrets that the Gov't have are now in use. Throw in some sex of some kind and it's a Lit. winner.

 

[TxRad]

Thinking about some of the stuff discussed has me wondering about other areas.

A group controls the people so in essence they control the government.

A group plants spybots in corporate conference rooms. Talk about insider information.

A group of dirty of men and women give laptops with cameras and aircards to newlyweds to take on their honeymoons.

The same group gives similar laptops to coeds at colleges.

The ideas are endles.

A group of nerds figure out how to access webcams without the owners knowing. Blackmail schemes abound.

 

[TxRad]

The problem data researchers have is deciding what is valuable and what isn't. If you want to hide in plain sight and cause havoc, do everything in a simple code of commonly used words that go undetected by search-bots. Making yourself invisble to them is a hard thing to do. Being able to change your identity on the fly is one way. Id's of different people to use and never using the same place twice makes it hard to keep track of you. Even cash is traceable through DNA tracing. Your story sounds as if it's about staying undercover and dealing with Big Brother in the near future, when the takeover comes and everyone's life is controlled. All the hidden secrets that the Gov't have are now in use. Throw in some sex of some kind and it's a Lit. winner.

add mutants in there and you're getting warm.

 

[lance gt]

add mutants in there and you're getting warm.

Mutants broads with humungous tits and pussies, guys with huge cocks, and they fuck everyone to death at the command of the powerful ones bidding.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I can only repeat that we aren't talking technical capability problems, we are talking people data manipulation problems.

This will be where Google steps up to the plate... willingly, or un.

 

[sr71plt]

This will be where Google steps up to the plate... willingly, or un.

Not quite sure I follow. Google illustrates the problem, I think. If you google a term, you get pages and pages of "anything responds" listings of sources. Since information is only as good/reliable as the authority of the source providing the information, whoever googles still has to do a whole bunch of wading and good analysis to get a relevant/reliable answer to what they were querying.

 

[TE999]

Leave us not forget cyber 'trip wires' as a way to keep tabs on folks. You Google 'atom bomb' or 'necrophilia'...PING...some bot zeroes in on your 'puter (and you) and records it for future reference. If there's a distinct pattern of info accesses, you get a visit.

I think this is how the CIA, NSA, FBI, et al keep an eye on potential terrorists of every stripe.

 

[sr71plt]

Leave us not forget cyber 'trip wires' as a way to keep tabs on folks. You Google 'atom bomb' or 'necrophilia'...PING...some bot zeroes in on your 'puter (and you) and records it for future reference. If there's a distinct pattern of info accesses, you get a visit.

I think this is how the CIA, NSA, FBI, et al keep an eye on potential terrorists of every stripe.

I've worried about that actually, since I've edited books on the Mideast and terrorism for publishers for more than ten years now--and done a whole lot of wading through "other side" Web sites for factchecking. I haven't received that particular "visit" yet, but perhaps being a retiree of one of those organizations has kept me off the hook.

 

[lance gt]

I've worried about that actually, since I've edited books on the Mideast and terrorism for publishers for more than ten years now--and done a whole lot of wading through "other side" Web sites for factchecking. I haven't received that particular "visit" yet, but perhaps being a retiree of one of those organizations has kept me off the hook.

Not necessarily SR. You could be on a watchlist and they're just waiting to see where you go with all this info you have. No one is off the hook, unless you're dead. Even then they keep tabs on you to make sure you're dead. Scary.

 

[sr71plt]

Not necessarily SR. You could be on a watchlist and they're just waiting to see where you go with all this info you have. No one is off the hook, unless you're dead. Even then they keep tabs on you to make sure you're dead. Scary.

Well, it would be another one of those cases like the time the office sent me to a conference in New York and when I got back the security guys called me in for a chat on the leftist conference I'd attended in New York. Cause most of those publishers I've edited those books for got connected to me through my former employer.

I think some of you guys on the thread are giving the government way too much credit on what it actually does.

 

[lance gt]

Well, it would be another one of those cases like the time the office sent me to a conference in New York and when I got back the security guys called me in for a chat on the leftist conference I'd attended in New York. Cause most of those publishers I've edited those books for got connected to me through my former employer.

I think some of you guys on the thread are giving the government way too much credit on what it actually does.

Not so much the Gov't SR, but the ones who run it from behind the screens. There's way too much info on anybody they want to investigate and find out about them. Thank god the peons at the bottom have too much to handle and most things slip by un-noticed.

 

[sr71plt]

Not so much the Gov't SR, but the ones who run it from behind the screens. There's way too much info on anybody they want to investigate and find out about them. Thank god the peons at the bottom have too much to handle and most things slip by un-noticed.

Think you need to replace the tin foil now, Lance.

 

[lance gt]

Think you need to replace the tin foil now, Lance.

Yes, you never know when those satellites are passing overhead. Here, I made one for you too.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Federal agencies, state & local govt, utilities, banks, credit bureaus, magazines, etc. provide the Federal Government with all of your records. The records are then cross-referenced with everyone else. We used to use the system to locate missing people.

One of our clerks hadnt seen his daughter in 25 years and had no idea where she was. It took me 15 minutes to make phone contact with her from the time I pressed the SEARCH icon.

 

[sr71plt]

The records are then cross-referenced with everyone else.

I hope Lance has enough tin foil for you to refurbish your hat as well.

 

[sr71plt]

Yes, you never know when those satellites are passing overhead. Here, I made one for you too.

Actually I do know, as I worked in satellite photography for five years--after doing a stint in passing overhead in an SR71 myself.

And those satellites are a just a bit too expense to operate to take any interest in 99,999 of 100,000 of any specific people.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I hope Lance has enough tin foil for you to refurbish your hat as well.

Sadly its true. The Feds simply collect it from everyone then cross-references it.

 

[lance gt]

Actually I do know, as I worked in satellite photography for five years--after doing a stint in passing overhead in an SR71 myself.

And those satellites are a just a bit too expense to operate to take any interest in 99,999 of 100,000 of any specific people.

Unless you're the one out of all of them they want to know about. Put your tin hat on SR, they're watching you.

 

[sr71plt]

Unless you're the one out of all of them they want to know about. Put your tin hat on SR, they're watching you.

Ummm, Okay. Written any erotica lately?

 

[lance gt]

Ummm, Okay. Written any erotica lately?

Sure have. Two chapters to one story, the final chapter started, a stand alone, and one other under my pen name, how about you?

 

[TxRad]

Mutants broads with humungous tits and pussies, guys with huge cocks, and they fuck everyone to death at the command of the powerful ones bidding.

Uh...... No.