'Selling' slaves... WTF?

[SimonBrooke]

Following on from Azuldrgon's thread on 'Loosing a sub', there's a question that's been bothering me for a while, that I'd like to hear other people's take on.

Around my neck of the woods there seems to be something of a trade in slaves. Here's one profile from a certain well known BDSM dating site:

My present owner is looking forward to sell me out to another master due to some reasons, i am very obedient and respectful. I am willing to relocate too. All i need is a genuine master that will cater for all my needs.

Here's another:

I am a full time slave now with a couple Dom . They wants to sell me out as they are bringing new sets of slaves to train. If you are Interested please email so that i could give you my owners contact.

And a third:

Hello everyone,i am lord and owner of Sandra who wishes to sell her to any willing master who is ready to meet my terms,i wish to inform all Doms and users that my slave as moved to the UK with my whole family,this is to ensure a better look up at her.

So there's a pattern here. It's noticeable that although all three purport to be from central Scotland at least two of them do not show idiomatic English. I have to confess I'm wondering what's going on here. I can construct two or three explanations:

1. This is an extreme form of consensual play, the women involved are actually free agents who are choosing to pretend not to be for play reasons, and if the prospective 'purchaser' was unwelcome to her the 'sale' would not go through
2. This is a scam, essentially based on the idea that sad lonely middle aged men can be persuaded to part with money, and then can't sue to get it back when the 'goods' aren't delivered
3. Someone is effectively brain-washing young women into believing he has the moral right and power to sell them against their will

Is this sort of advert common anywhere else? Does anyone have an opinion about what is actually going on here?

 

[arielsgoddess]

This is more than just 'play'--the more mainstream term is 'kept' women

For some of them it is not a game at all. Google "Stockholm syndrome" and with some research, you will come to understand just how total this can be. Welcome to one of the extreme 'alternate lifestyles'--where it really is an alternate universe for some people. There are also 'kept' men, and true slaves, but that is farther 'underground'.

 

[WriterDom]

There are people who take that Gor stuff to the extreme as well. I met one who got out of it and it was wild what she told me about it.

 

[StrayKat]

Welcome to one of the extreme 'alternate lifestyles'--where it really is an alternate universe for some people.

I am sure every serial killer has his own alternate universe. What I see here is just plain old criminal prostitution with more or less willing victims, or just a scam. Some people wouldnt mind selling their Grandma for some decent cash.
I am not familiar with law in Scotland, what does it say about buying/selling people?

 

[Cattypuss]

I am not familiar with law in Scotland, what does it say about buying/selling people?

LOL!!

 

[arielsgoddess]

I'm all for freedoms, but those that do it as predators

Don't care what is legal because that is 'wrong and right'--that they do it is their expression of contempt for what is right with other living beings. There are some gentlemen on this forum that are into masterdom that are not that extreme, and there are many cultures where the women choose this subservience as expression of femininity. I have had offers to truly 'live' this life, as either the 'top' or the 'bottom', but to me it is not fully living. As I often get into *sigh* trouble here for, I prefer alpha-to-alpha interaction, and wish everyone would participate more equally. For some people, being less 'equal' is how they actually want to be, and there are many levels to people's wants/needs--but all of which should be respected. Although I respect and uphold the right to those who choose to mutually create such alt existences for themselves, the predators are the ones that do it against consent, who do it to force their selves to erase others. If you are not strong of will and strong of mind, you are always meat for predators. To whoever is looking into the subject because they are considering 'trying' it, please consider that. It is like mainlining a drug you have never been exposed to before--take it that seriously. The S&M games here are much more exciting and rewarding with a like-minded, adventurous partner, and more likely to produce fun than danger.

 

[StrayKat]

LOL!!

I thought so

 

[BiBunny]

The wording of some of the stuff you posted looks to be the stuff of Nigerian scammers.

But I happen to think being sold--for a temporary period--would be hot. I wouldn't want it as a permanent thing, but to each his own.

 

[ataxia.girl]

my Daddy likes much younger girls. In an ideal, pie in the sky, world i would like to be a young girl with a much much older man and i have often fantasized about the provisions he might make for me upon his death including finding another owner to pass me on to, maybe an uncle i was fond of. In real life... yeah... not going to happen. Not in this lifetime anyway.

 

[YourCaptor]

I wish this was more real. Theirs a few girls I would definitely like to purchase. Trouble is it’s doubtable that those girls would be for sale, why sell a good thing, and I assume the market would be flooded with low quality merchandise.

I think I would do better pressuring them into pawning their girls.

Ok so but what is it really. I would guess that money makes the trade “official”, and what it buys you is that initial thrill, first fuck, first tears, first shakes of exhaustion, all that good stuff before the every day monotony sets in. And when it does, you sell them. It's all good.

At least that’s what comes to mind when I look at this.

 

[YourCaptor]

my Daddy likes much younger girls. In an ideal, pie in the sky, world i would like to be a young girl with a much much older man and i have often fantasized about the provisions he might make for me upon his death including finding another owner to pass me on to, maybe an uncle i was fond of. In real life... yeah... not going to happen. Not in this lifetime anyway.

Tell daddy I'll rent you for a day, bid starts at 25 cents

 

[Adakgirl]

I am a full time slave now with a couple Dom . They wants to sell me out as they are bringing new sets of slaves to train.

Omg this sounds like a slave mill, a business that consists of training and selling young human slave just like one would train and sell young dogs or horses. If they are for real, it defiantly has to be illegal. I would have to call a few of those people and ask what the going price is for a full time slave nowadays.

It would be interesting if you called them Simon just to find out what the deal is, how they go about it...what all is entailed. Is there a contract? A lifetime warranty perhaps? A 90 day satisfaction guaranteed or- your- money- back clause? Ask them what happens if you pay for her and are not happy with her, can you return her for a replacement, will they give you your $$ back?

Do you get a free trial offer? You get to take her for a month, keep her, try her out first before you decide? Is there a payment plan, so down and so much a month and if so, what do they charge for interest?

 

[DJ33351]

Not just BDSM

Brokerage of flesh has always existed, whether out in the open or hidden. I know someone who's mother thought that she was going to be a housekeeper to a wealthy couple in the Middle East, but ended up being a sex slave. And I recently watched a documentary about families in Haiti that sell their children.

So I am not surprised that some slaves in BDSM are sold. It seems there is no end to human depravity and the lack of value we place on life in general. It also appears that there are more people who protest inhumane treatment of animals more than inhumane treatment of human beings. Just my opinion.

 

[YourCaptor]

Omg this sounds like a slave mill, a business that consists of training and selling young human slave just like one would train and sell young dogs or horses. If they are for real, it defiantly has to be illegal. I would have to call a few of those people and ask what the going price is for a full time slave nowadays.

It would be interesting if you called them Simon just to find out what the deal is, how they go about it...what all is entailed. Is there a contract? A lifetime warranty perhaps? A 90 day satisfaction guaranteed or- your- money- back clause? Ask them what happens if you pay for her and are not happy with her, can you return her for a replacement, will they give you your $$ back?

Do you get a free trial offer? You get to take her for a month, keep her, try her out first before you decide? Is there a payment plan, so down and so much a month and if so, what do they charge for interest?

You forgot, you break it you buy it.

And canada is the worlds leading producer of subs.

 

[ataxia.girl]

Tell daddy I'll rent you for a day, bid starts at 25 cents

You remembered

 

[BlackWingedOne]

I would have to say, that I don't agree with this at all, but I think some of you are kinda missing the point of what those posts are saying. These subs are wanting to be sold or consenting to it. How is it that much different then a Master lending his sub out to another Dom for the night? Assuming the Dom is a good Dom, They would be making sure their sub was alright with this happening. I don't agree with it, but many people don't agree with the D/s lifestyle on a whole, and see it as disturbing.

In Gor, something like this is definitely common amongst the hardcore Masters. subs are property to be traded and not asked what they think of something of such a life changing nature.

Just my two cents...

 

[StrayKat]

In Gor, something like this is definitely common amongst the hardcore Masters. subs are property to be traded and not asked what they think of something of such a life changing nature.

After all this time human race has been spilling blood to liberate people its good to see some can afford to play ancient Roman empire come-back again.

 

[Aquila1]

The wording of some of the stuff you posted looks to be the stuff of Nigerian scammers.

But I happen to think being sold--for a temporary period--would be hot. I wouldn't want it as a permanent thing, but to each his own.

The Nigerian scammer thing? - precisely my thoughts. Hell they run scam rings selling pedigree puppies around the world so this is no different. Just another way of separating sad old fools from their money and it's no different in concept to many of the mail-order bride scams coming out of Russia and Asia. They've just been astute enough to pick up on a marketing opportunity and target a particular audience.

That's not to say there isn't a real sex-slave trade currently occurring, particularly out of Albania, Moldova, and parts of the Ukraine. That's real, deeply disturbing, and has absolutely nothing to do with choice, pleasure, or consent.

And as for Gor? Well nothing really. I just think they're twats

 

[Netzach]

Plenty of consenting SM slaves have crap online writing, as do Doms. If M posted before coffee, you might think I was keeping a Uighur refugee and english is his first language.

It sounds pretty freaking hot to me, but I'm going on the assumption that your average fetlife kinda person isn't *actually* a human trafficking ring with people who have fuck all idea what they're getting into.

 

[Netzach]

After all this time human race has been spilling blood to liberate people its good to see some can afford to play ancient Roman empire come-back again.

I've encountered that notion when I've told people I'm interested in SM at all.

 

[StrayKat]

I've encountered that notion when I've told people I'm interested in SM at all.

So how far is too far for you?
Yes, we all have *some* ideas about what is right or wrong, but dont you think there have to be some general idea supported by laws to prevent people to go "too far"?

Selling someone can be just a part of kinky play where all parties involved are aware its just a game they enjoy.
On the other hand it may mean taking advantage of those incapable to decide for themselves for whatever reason.
In the second case I see community restrictions as the only way to protect the victims.

 

[Primalex]

So how far is too far for you?
Yes, we all have *some* ideas about what is right or wrong, but dont you think there have to be some general idea supported by laws to prevent people to go "too far"?

Wasn't the notion that "consent" defines the boundaries?

 

[CuteBrat]

i am a slave. when i agreed to be a slave, that was the last decision i had a right to make. i am property. i can be sold. that's just how things are. and im not alone in that state.

Following on from Azuldrgon's thread on 'Loosing a sub', there's a question that's been bothering me for a while, that I'd like to hear other people's take on.

Around my neck of the woods there seems to be something of a trade in slaves. Here's one profile from a certain well known BDSM dating site:



Here's another:



And a third:



So there's a pattern here. It's noticeable that although all three purport to be from central Scotland at least two of them do not show idiomatic English. I have to confess I'm wondering what's going on here. I can construct two or three explanations:

1. This is an extreme form of consensual play, the women involved are actually free agents who are choosing to pretend not to be for play reasons, and if the prospective 'purchaser' was unwelcome to her the 'sale' would not go through
2. This is a scam, essentially based on the idea that sad lonely middle aged men can be persuaded to part with money, and then can't sue to get it back when the 'goods' aren't delivered
3. Someone is effectively brain-washing young women into believing he has the moral right and power to sell them against their will

Is this sort of advert common anywhere else? Does anyone have an opinion about what is actually going on here?

 

[Primalex]

i am a slave. when i agreed to be a slave, that was the last decision i had a right to make. i am property. i can be sold. that's just how things are. and im not alone in that state.

*wonders about the price*

 

[CuteBrat]

*wonders about the price*

You would have to ask The Masters about that. i have been rented...but i dont know how much that was either.