Just Curious

[Poizon69]

Is this the really a constructive critique by email? This was an Email I recieved.

upyoursgomer@areyoureallythisstupid.com- (This is the email address the reader left.)

Comments:


I was going to give it a decent rating, but there were two problems. One was the changing POV, where John suddenly became the narrator. The second, and more important, was the sanctimonious bullshit at the beginning. The first factor knocked down to a 3, maybe a 4, but the rest sent all the way to a 1, asshole.

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Poizon69

 

[ericahope]

Is this the really a constructive critique by email? This was an Email I recieved.

upyoursgomer@areyoureallythisstupid.com- (This is the email address the reader left.)

Comments:


I was going to give it a decent rating, but there were two problems. One was the changing POV, where John suddenly became the narrator. The second, and more important, was the sanctimonious bullshit at the beginning. The first factor knocked down to a 3, maybe a 4, but the rest sent all the way to a 1, asshole.

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Poizon69

Yikes...I guess he didn't like your story... Some people need to remember their mother's saying... "If you can't say something nice..." Which story of yours was the problem?

Erica

 

[Poizon69]

Thanks Erica

I agree he could have been a little more polite about it. It was a LW story, Yes I know I should expect that sort of comment. Well I got it didn't I?

 

[CWatson]

The thing about constructive critique is that most of it isn't. Some readers are actually interested in telling you how they feel about your story, and what they liked; but they're few and far between. (I mean, a lot of them don't even know why they liked a story; they don't know how to dissect & analyze fiction, because they're just casual readers. *shrug*) In the meanwhile, there are a lot of others who just want to vent some spleen on some hapless Internet writer, and put you down so they can feel good about themselves. This guy's one of them. No, he's not here to analyze your writing; he's here to make himself feel big. Ignore him.

 

[Poizon69]

Thanks CW

Don't worry I intend to ignore him/her although I assume it's a him. I just thought I would share a readers wisdom with anyone who has read this thread.

 

[sr71plt]

If it was true, it was constructive, yes. Perhaps not voiced constructively, but if it pointed to valid problems, it's constructive.

 

[mucenjannepo]

Hi Poizon69,

Well,this is very bad email regarding stories as I feel sorry for your condition. I agree he could have been a little more polite about it. It was a LW story, Yes I know I should expect that sort of comment. Well I got it didn't I?


Thanks

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

This is strictly my own opinion but the Loving Wives catagory is filled with really bored assholes who caught their wives fucking the milk man. Then you are stupid enough to come along and write some shit that justifies the wife milk man's actions rather than sending them to a dark dungeon to be tortured for years then sent to hell where they belong.

If you can't deal with that, write in another catagoy.

 

[Poizon69]

Jenny?

Go bug someone else. Just because you don't write in the LW section don't rant about it. Besides if you don't read those types of stories how do you know these things happen?

One last thing you won't know this but I DO write in other sections and get the SAME comments. So it really does not matter where someone posts a story does it?

 

[ntvinh986]

Is this the really a constructive critique by email? This was an Email I recieved.

upyoursgomer@areyoureallythisstupid.com- (This is the email address the reader left.)

Comments:


I was going to give it a decent rating, but there were two problems. One was the changing POV, where John suddenly became the narrator. The second, and more important, was the sanctimonious bullshit at the beginning. The first factor knocked down to a 3, maybe a 4, but the rest sent all the way to a 1, asshole.

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Poizon69

Hi all, I am a new member of forum. Would a newcomer be warmly welcome here? Good day you guys!!!

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Go bug someone else. Just because you don't write in the LW section don't rant about it. Besides if you don't read those types of stories how do you know these things happen?

One last thing you won't know this but I DO write in other sections and get the SAME comments. So it really does not matter where someone posts a story does it?

Sorry to be slow, just spotted this and went to flick through your stories. Here's the link:

http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=1128597&page=submissions

Jenny jumped to a wrong conclusion, but to be expected with usual LW aggressive feedback. I've read you wielding more hammers and pickaxe handles than Johnny Depp so the milk man should stay well clear.

My point - we do try to be a bit more polite and circumspect here than those 'wuffians' in the AH or GB.

Perhaps I missed it but - referring to your feedback - I couldn't find a story where you had a protag called 'John' (James was the nearest) and I can make no sense of the 'substantial waffle' comment.

You really do need an editor, but again, in my quick run-through, you seem to use first person POV mainly and when you switch, the transition is clear and rational. Just don't have a clue what the guy was thinking of.

You didn't ask for story feedback so I'll not comment but it is disingenous to claim you write in several cats when your only non-LW story is in Romance and is a loving LW story.

There is a bit of frustration amongst us second-rate amateur peddlars of mucky stories that the LW cat has become a bit like the Gaza strip and is a no-go area for any moderate erotic story dealing with marital issues.

Who is John?

 

[Poizon69]

Hello Elfin

No I didn't ask for feedback. But Jenny gave it to anyway. And yes I don't know who John is either. and yes I do need an editor. but I don't know if it is just me but I have contacted at least 20 plus volunteer editors and all of them bar one has said yes they will help me but htne nothing.

So it's just me. Of course I don't really expect anyone to like my stories why should they. And as most people point out LW stories are not really any good compared to other sections of LIT. I am guessing you don't write in LW? Well most sane people don't either.

Anyway I hope to get this thread deleted soon. I am not sure how long such things take.


But thank you for leaving a message and for at least looking at my story.

 

[_Lynn_]

No I didn't ask for feedback. But Jenny gave it to anyway. And yes I don't know who John is either. and yes I do need an editor. but I don't know if it is just me but I have contacted at least 20 plus volunteer editors and all of them bar one has said yes they will help me but htne nothing.

So it's just me. Of course I don't really expect anyone to like stories why should they. And as most people point out LW stories are not really any good compared to other sections of LIT. I am guessing you don't write in LW? Well most sane people don't either.

Anyway I hope to get this thread deleted soon. I am not sure how long such things take.




But thank you leaving a message and for at least looking at my story.

Sorry, but your thread is here to stay unless all the posts are spam.

As for contacting twenty editors without good results, all I can say is that isn't indicative of all of us. The VE list is outdated and quite worthless. Many of the names on there haven't been on Lit for months, or years even. I wish it wasn't so.

Have you made a thread in the Editor's Forum asking for help? (I should have looked there before asking, I know.) There is a thread with available editors for the month. You might check it and PM someone.

 

[Poizon69]

Sorry, but your thread is here to stay unless all the posts are spam.

As for contacting twenty editors without good results, all I can say is that isn't indicative of all of us. The VE list is outdated and quite worthless. Many of the names on there haven't been on Lit for months, or years even. I wish it wasn't so.

Have you made a thread in the Editor's Forum asking for help? (I should have looked there before asking, I know.) There is a thread with available editors for the month. You might check it and PM someone.

Hello Mistress Lynn,

no I haven't started any other threads. As you can imagine I am a little reluctant to start anymore threads. I don't normally write anything in the Forum section I am far too thin skinned to be a part of any Forum chat or thread group or whatever the term is.. But thanks for showing an interest.

As for PM someone? That's what I did. But hey who knows someone might come along one day.

Pity about this thread. Oh well you live and learn I guess.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

No, Poizon, Lynn is one of the most highly respected editors on Lit and Jenny gives great help to promising writers. You have got some great attention.

There is no need for aggresion, we want you to succeed.

 

[Poizon69]

No, Poizon, Lynn is one of the most highly respected editors on Lit and Jenny gives great help to promising writers. You have got some great attention.

There is no need for aggresion, we want you to succeed.

Okay.

Elfin, MistressLynn, Jenny I am sorry if I come off as aggresive. I apologise to Jenny unreservedly and Mistress Lynn I respect your talents enormously. I understand you help DG hear and a few others as well as write stories yourself.

Elfin? I really am sorry if I have come off as obnoxious, I am just wary of this forum that's all. And also being as stuborn as a mule and male I don't take advice that easily, so I am sorry if I caused offence.

The same apology goes to Mistress Lynn and Jenny, if Jenny will accept an apology from me.


And thank you for your good wishes and advice. Personally I think I am lost cause.

 

[_Lynn_]

No, Poizon, Lynn is one of the most highly respected editors on Lit and Jenny gives great help to promising writers. You have got some great attention.

There is no need for aggresion, we want you to succeed.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Okay.

Elfin, MistressLynn, Jenny I am sorry if I come off as aggresive. I apologise to Jenny unreservedly and Mistress Lynn I respect your talents enormously. I understand you help DG hear and a few others as well as write stories yourself.

Elfin? I really am sorry if I have come off as obnoxious, I am just wary of this forum that's all. And also being as stuborn as a mule and male I don't take advice that easily, so I am sorry if I caused offence.

The same apology goes to Mistress Lynn and Jenny, if Jenny will accept an apology from me.


And thank you for your good wishes and advice. Personally I think I am lost cause.

Yes, I edit for DG and several others. I lost count of the newer writers I've helped so far.

If you want to improve your skills, then holding on to your stubbornness isn't going to help you.

 

[Poizon69]

Thanks for the vote of confidence.


Yes, I edit for DG and several others. I lost count of the newer writers I've helped so far.

If you want to improve your skills, then holding on to your stubbornness isn't going to help you.

Thank you for your advice Mistress Lynn. But as I said I am a lost cause. And even if I wasn't stubborn I would still be a lost cause. I know my limits. I am a person who puts words on a screen and a few people read those words.

I have no expectations of people liking or reading those words if they do either of these things then I am happy.

 

[_Lynn_]

Thank you for your advice Mistress Lynn. But as I said I am a lost cause. And even if I wasn't stubborn I would still be a lost cause. I know my limits. I am a person who puts words on a screen and a few people read those words.

I have no expectations of people liking or reading those words if they do either of these things then I am happy.

That's your choice, of course. If you're satisfied with your writing, then so be it.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Okay.

Elfin, MistressLynn, Jenny I am sorry if I come off as aggresive. I apologise to Jenny unreservedly and Mistress Lynn I respect your talents enormously. I understand you help DG hear and a few others as well as write stories yourself.

Elfin? I really am sorry if I have come off as obnoxious, I am just wary of this forum that's all. And also being as stuborn as a mule and male I don't take advice that easily, so I am sorry if I caused offence.

The same apology goes to Mistress Lynn and Jenny, if Jenny will accept an apology from me.


And thank you for your good wishes and advice. Personally I think I am lost cause.

First, I have posted a story in LW - and lived to tell the tale!

Don't be wary of this forum. People mean well and you're totally free to ignore any comments. I think what depresses a load of people is that so many readers of LW seem to believe it's fact not fiction and launch silly attacks on the characters rather than comment on the story. Depressingly, Cheating Wife's thread here now does nothing to stress that Lit is FICTION.

If Lit barred 'stubborn as a mule' members on the board, these forums would be a silent wasteland. Jenny is more your style, really nice but not so thin skinned as you. I try to be as saintly as Lynn but frequently fail.

From reading you, you are certainly not a 'lost cause. In a one-liner that breaks my promise to not give feedback, I think your writing is good but you could do with getting more depth and balanced emotion in your plotting. Protag-antag tension gets the punters turning pages.

If you want a more detailed critique (not nasty) PM me.

Good or bad, it's often a help to a writer to chew over a story with sympathetic friends. Please stay on the SF.

Elle

 

[_Lynn_]

First, I have posted a story in LW - and lived to tell the tale!

Don't be wary of this forum. People mean well and you're totally free to ignore any comments. I think what depresses a load of people is that so many readers of LW seem to believe it's fact not fiction and launch silly attacks on the characters rather than comment on the story. Depressingly, Cheating Wife's thread here now does nothing to stress that Lit is FICTION.

If Lit barred 'stubborn as a mule' members on the board, these forums would be a silent wasteland. Jenny is more your style, really nice but not so thin skinned as you. I try to be as saintly as Lynn but frequently fail.

From reading you, you are certainly not a 'lost cause. In a one-liner that breaks my promise to not give feedback, I think your writing is good but you could do with getting more depth and balanced emotion in your plotting. Protag-antag tension gets the punters turning pages.

If you want a more detailed critique (not nasty) PM me.

Good or bad, it's often a help to a writer to chew over a story with sympathetic friends. Please stay on the SF.

Elle

 

[Poizon69]

Mistress Lynn, Why EEK?

 

[_Lynn_]

Jenny is more your style, really nice but not so thin skinned as you. I try to be as saintly as Lynn but frequently fail.

Elle

Mistress Lynn, Why EEK?

I never thought of myself that way before, I guess.

 

[Poizon69]

I never thought of myself that way before, I guess.

Didn't you know that you were Saintly? Your just being modest.

 

[_Lynn_]

Didn't you know that you were Saintly? Your just being modest.

Nope, I never knew.

We never see ourselves as others do though.