We're All Insane!!!

[Liar]

At least those of us here who write. The ones tho just read and spank the monkey, I can't speak for.

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Mad genius: Study suggests link between psychosis and creativity

Vincent van Gogh cut off his ear. Sylvia Plath stuck her head in the oven. History teems with examples of great artists acting in very peculiar ways. Were these artists simply mad or brilliant? According to new research reported in Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science, maybe both.

In order to examine the link between psychosis and creativity, psychiatrist Szabolcs Kéri of Semmelweis University in Hungary focused his research on neuregulin 1, a gene that normally plays a role in a variety of brain processes, including development and strengthening communication between neurons. However, a variant of this gene (or genotype) is associated with a greater risk of developing mental disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

In this study, the researchers recruited volunteers who considered themselves to be very creative and accomplished. They underwent a battery of tests, including assessments for intelligence and creativity. To measure creativity, the volunteers were asked to respond to a series of unusual questions (for example, "Just suppose clouds had strings attached to them which hang down to earth. What would happen?") and were scored based on the originality and flexibility of their answers. They also completed a questionnaire regarding their lifetime creative achievements before the researchers took blood samples.

The results show a clear link between neuregulin 1 and creativity: Volunteers with the specific variant of this gene were more likely to have higher scores on the creativity assessment and also greater lifetime creative achievements than volunteers with a different form of the gene. Kéri notes that this is the first study to show that a genetic variant associated with psychosis may have some beneficial functions.

He observes that "molecular factors that are loosely associated with severe mental disorders but are present in many healthy people may have an advantage enabling us to think more creatively." In addition, these findings suggest that certain genetic variations, even though associated with adverse health problems, may survive evolutionary selection and remain in a population's gene pool if they also have beneficial effects.

Source: Association for Psychological Science (news : web)

 

[Bianca_Sommerland]

At least those of us here who write. The ones tho just read and spank the monkey, I can't speak for.

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Mad genius: Study suggests link between psychosis and creativity

Vincent van Gogh cut off his ear. Sylvia Plath stuck her head in the oven. History teems with examples of great artists acting in very peculiar ways. Were these artists simply mad or brilliant? According to new research reported in Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science, maybe both.

In order to examine the link between psychosis and creativity, psychiatrist Szabolcs Kéri of Semmelweis University in Hungary focused his research on neuregulin 1, a gene that normally plays a role in a variety of brain processes, including development and strengthening communication between neurons. However, a variant of this gene (or genotype) is associated with a greater risk of developing mental disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

In this study, the researchers recruited volunteers who considered themselves to be very creative and accomplished. They underwent a battery of tests, including assessments for intelligence and creativity. To measure creativity, the volunteers were asked to respond to a series of unusual questions (for example, "Just suppose clouds had strings attached to them which hang down to earth. What would happen?") and were scored based on the originality and flexibility of their answers. They also completed a questionnaire regarding their lifetime creative achievements before the researchers took blood samples.

The results show a clear link between neuregulin 1 and creativity: Volunteers with the specific variant of this gene were more likely to have higher scores on the creativity assessment and also greater lifetime creative achievements than volunteers with a different form of the gene. Kéri notes that this is the first study to show that a genetic variant associated with psychosis may have some beneficial functions.

He observes that "molecular factors that are loosely associated with severe mental disorders but are present in many healthy people may have an advantage enabling us to think more creatively." In addition, these findings suggest that certain genetic variations, even though associated with adverse health problems, may survive evolutionary selection and remain in a population's gene pool if they also have beneficial effects.

Source: Association for Psychological Science (news : web)

Very interesting. I read that writers also have higher suicide rates and breakdowns. Gotta find that article. Nice to know what the futur holds. Might as well start burning bunnies now.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I've interviewed a few thousand schizophrenics and no one would ever confuse a schizophrenic with artists because schizophrenics are pretty dum and too disorganized to intentionally create art or much of anything.

The reason this is so is because schizophrenics do not filter whats in their heads very well. They get all three circus rings plus the sideshows and the roar of the crowds at once. One patient told me it was like living in a nightmare for 50 years. Your imagination is out of control.

Now! Creative people filter the garbage well and possess extraordinary imaginations; imagination is all they share with schizophrenics.

 

[Bianca_Sommerland]

Research on mental disorders among male artists has suggested that artists are at risk of suicide. However, given that men are higher in suicide risk than women, the presumed suicide risk of artists may be an artifact of sampling bias. A logistic regression analysis of data from 21 states finds that artists have 270% higher risk of suicide than nonartists. However, after controlling for gender and sociodemographic variables, this risk level is reduced to 125%. The findings are related to both psychiatric and work-related stress factors that may place artists at risk of suicide as an occupational group.

Here's a part I found enlightening and here's the link.

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/blog/8015-association-between-creativity-and-suicide-24554.html

Now I'm depressed ....
Okay, not really. I still got some time before I deep throat a .45

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Research on mental disorders among male artists has suggested that artists are at risk of suicide. However, given that men are higher in suicide risk than women, the presumed suicide risk of artists may be an artifact of sampling bias. A logistic regression analysis of data from 21 states finds that artists have 270% higher risk of suicide than nonartists. However, after controlling for gender and sociodemographic variables, this risk level is reduced to 125%. The findings are related to both psychiatric and work-related stress factors that may place artists at risk of suicide as an occupational group.

Here's a part I found enlightening and here's the link.

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/blog/8015-association-between-creativity-and-suicide-24554.html

Now I'm depressed ....
Okay, not really. I still got some time before I deep throat a .45

For any specific occupation the numbers of suicides are small. White physicians are #1 and most of them have alcohol and drug problems, but the total number isnt large.

The unemployed with drug-alcohol problems also ranks high.

Men with chronic health problems and drug-alcohol problems rank high.

 

[Bianca_Sommerland]

For any specific occupation the numbers of suicides are small. White physicians are #1 and most of them have alcohol and drug problems, but the total number isnt large.

The unemployed with drug-alcohol problems also ranks high.

Men with chronic health problems and drug-alcohol problems rank high.

I think a good part of it has to do with the fact that 'Physician took own life', doesn't have the romantic appeal that 'Misunderstood artist meets death at own hands' does. Writers and other artist spend their lives glamorizing things like death. And we make no bones about it.

Just my theory. To an artist, death is just another adventure (okay maybe that's Peter Pan but same premise). To anyone else it's the end of the road. Then again maybe some of us are delusional. Since artist are right up there with writers just think of how Van Gogh looked after he cut off his ear. I think he really believed it would grow back!

Damn cruel real world.

 

[lance gt]

Research on mental disorders among male artists has suggested that artists are at risk of suicide. However, given that men are higher in suicide risk than women, the presumed suicide risk of artists may be an artifact of sampling bias. A logistic regression analysis of data from 21 states finds that artists have 270% higher risk of suicide than nonartists. However, after controlling for gender and sociodemographic variables, this risk level is reduced to 125%. The findings are related to both psychiatric and work-related stress factors that may place artists at risk of suicide as an occupational group.

Here's a part I found enlightening and here's the link.

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/blog/8015-association-between-creativity-and-suicide-24554.html

Now I'm depressed ....
Okay, not really. I still got some time before I deep throat a .45

I think after reading that, this room could be empty in a year or two. Everybody knocking themselves off after a bad story critique or an arguement in a thread with the wrong person. We are a fun bunch aren't we!

 

[Bianca_Sommerland]

I think after reading that, this room could be empty in a year or two. Everybody knocking themselves off after a bad story critique or an arguement in a thread with the wrong person. We are a fun bunch aren't we!

Oh yes. You know what, someone should start a thread. 'How do you plan to kill yourself?' We can give each other creative ideas

 

[amicus]

Christ on a fucking crutch!

Another genetic discovery that bolsters Skinner Box type Behaviorism as an indication of creativity. Gay gene, Conservative Gene, Altruism Gene, just like the hysteria over newly discovered Climate Change, our grant crazy intellectuals once again disregard cognitive choice and offer genetic absolutism as an answer.

What a fucking joke!

Let me explain it to you slowly and in plain language:

The innate intelligence of an individual human being can be measured, approximately, on a Bell Curve.

Those at the high end of the curve are called intellectuals.

High intelligence immediately sets an individual apart from his peers, as does low intelligence.

'Intelligence' does not exist in a vacuum; it can be directed, guided, and influenced by many factors.

Of those factors, ethics and morals are the most important. Those factors act to direct and focus the individual intellect in a direction that will determine and reflect how the individual intellect expresses that intellectuality.

Without a rational, objective sense of life, provided by a rational ethical system, the forlorn, lonely intellectual turns to self destruction as he or she can find no group solace to allay their fears of being apart from all others.

Alienated intellectuals become the 'uni bombers' the Charles Manson's, the Marquis de Sade or Sylvia Plath's of this world.

The high end intellect with a rational ethical education and a sense of life that projects beauty instead of desperation and hatred, become the Einstein's, Newton's, Galileo's & Monet's of this world.

Pornography, perversion, Bohemian rejection of normative behavior also reflect the rejected intellectual without an ethical base.

If you have a little genius in your home, teach that child to recognize the difference between right and wrong, good and bad, and that little critter will grow up to be a productive intellect and not a drugged up parasite.

More important than this little rant is to realize just what the intellectual community is foisting off as knowledge; a behaviorally controlled genetic answer to cognitive thought.

It is intended to make excuses for aberrant behavior and removing responsibility for one's own actions by a genetic imperative.

What a farce.

Amicus

 

[voluptuary_manque]

That isn't new news. The correlation between bipolar disease and artistic creativity was made a generation ago. And it isn't just writers. Artists of all stripe are about ten times more likely to suffer bipolar than the general population. Of course, this is really tiresome for the non-artistic bipolar sufferers. Not only do they have an unpleasant condition but people expect them to be artistic, as well. Sad.

 

[Guest]

It is intended to make excuses for aberrant behavior and removing responsibility for one's own actions by a genetic imperative.

Amicus

What's your excuse?

 

[TE999]

Oh yes. You know what, someone should start a thread. 'How do you plan to kill yourself?' We can give each other creative ideas

I have no plans to put my own lights out. I'd like to be shot by a jealous husband who caught me in bed with his wife...the day after my 100th birthday party.

 

[Bianca_Sommerland]

Christ on a fucking crutch!

It is intended to make excuses for aberrant behavior and removing responsibility for one's own actions by a genetic imperative.

What a farce.

Amicus

Gosh Ami. Must you spoil our fun? How else am I supposed to excuse my abberant behavior? And here I was thinking writing erotica gave me another excuse, to be a sexual deviant. Darn it!

 

[Bianca_Sommerland]

I have no plans to put my own lights out. I'd like to be shot by a jealous husband who caught me in bed with his wife...the day after my 100th birthday party.

That sounds fun I actually want to go down in a blaze of glory...western style. Not sure how...I'll let you know how it turns out

 

[amicus]

What's your excuse?[/QUOTE]

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Ah, Sweets, I be just a borderline genius; I get the best of both worlds.

Lucky me!



Ami

 

[_Lynn_]

That isn't new news. The correlation between bipolar disease and artistic creativity was made a generation ago. And it isn't just writers. Artists of all stripe are about ten times more likely to suffer bipolar than the general population. Of course, this is really tiresome for the non-artistic bipolar sufferers. Not only do they have an unpleasant condition but people expect them to be artistic, as well. Sad.

I have a list of famous people who had/have manic depressive disorder. Many are 'artistic'.

 

[TE999]

That sounds fun I actually want to go down in a blaze of glory...western style. Not sure how...I'll let you know how it turns out

Hmmm...your husband could shoot both of us I suppose.

 

[ishtat]

In Australia the occupation with the highest suicide rate is farmers. The rate is said to fluctuate more or less in line with the rainfall statistics. ie a drought occurs, crops fail, farm is foreclosed, wife walks, farmer shoots himself.

The next day the newspapers and some scientists( who should know better ) claim a direct causal relationship between farming and suicide. Then of course they attribute it to the fact that the Government didn't give the guy a big enough subsidy.

No thought goes to the 99% who battle through and who are competant enough to do so.

The fundamental problem is the inferrence that causal relationships exist when they are merely co-incidental.

 

[Bianca_Sommerland]

Hmmm...your husband could shoot both of us I suppose.

That means I'd have to get married. Scary thought.

I suppose I could elope and then cheat on my wedding night. Kinda romantic

 

[TE999]

That means I'd have to get married. Scary thought.

I suppose I could elope and then cheat on my wedding night. Kinda romantic

Don't get married on my account.

It could be a jealous boyfriend...or girlfriend...but the elope/cheat thing has a certain cachet to it. Not to mention being a durable plot bunny in the Loving Wives story cat.

 

[amicus]

Gosh Ami. Must you spoil our fun? How else am I supposed to excuse my abberant behavior? And here I was thinking writing erotica gave me another excuse, to be a sexual deviant. Darn it!

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Ah, Bianca, I happen to think an interest in sex is a healthy thing as it is such a normative part of human life. I further think that exploring the many, many avenues of romance; encounters, conquests, seductions, dares and challenges, provide an endless fertile ground for creativity.

Nice to have you on the forum...

ami

 

[Bianca_Sommerland]

Don't get married on my account.

It could be a jealous boyfriend...or girlfriend...but the elope/cheat thing has a certain cachet to it. Not to mention being a durable plot bunny in the Loving Wives story cat.

Oh no girlfriends. Girls are fun to play with but I can't deal with them long term . Jealous boyfriend...hmmm...has potential.

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Ah, Bianca, I happen to think an interest in sex is a healthy thing as it is such a normative part of human life. I further think that exploring the many, many avenues of romance; encounters, conquests, seductions, dares and challenges, provide an endless fertile ground for creativity.

Nice to have you on the forum...

ami

Then I'm very healthy Not big on romance but other then that I learned quick that I have everything I need to be a good erotica writer. Hence why I love lit.

I like the forum. It's getting addictive Spend too much time here but I have fun so I figure it's time well spent.

 

[Salvor-Hardon]

At least those of us here who write. The ones tho just read and spank the monkey, I can't speak for.

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What about people who spank the money in a creative manner? Funky rhythmic stroking or a under hand reverse grip on the shaft. Or what about some guy who welds a Fleshlight to a sawzall and a pump for KY? Does that count as creative too?

 

[Katyusha]

What about people who spank the money in a creative manner? Funky rhythmic stroking or a under hand reverse grip on the shaft. Or what about some guy who welds a Fleshlight to a sawzall and a pump for KY? Does that count as creative too?

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[rgraham666]

What's your excuse?

Our friend is far beyond such mortal concepts as good and evil.