Perfect for home defense

[SeaCat]

Now we have threads on here about the rights of home defense. We have even had threads about the weapons people have for home defense.

I have found, thanks to another board, what I consider to be the perfect home defense weapon. It's called the Taurus Judge.

http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?model=4510TKR-3B&category=Revolver&id=198

Load this puppy with a mixed load and you're good to go. Round one would be bird shot. (#10 Drop Shot) Round two would be Buck and the other two would be slugs. (Always leave an empty chamber under the hammer.)

I'm going to have to look into one of these for the wife.

Cat

 

[slyc_willie]

Now we have threads on here about the rights of home defense. We have even had threads about the weapons people have for home defense.

I have found, thanks to another board, what I consider to be the perfect home defense weapon. It's called the Taurus Judge.

http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?model=4510TKR-3B&category=Revolver&id=198

Load this puppy with a mixed load and you're good to go. Round one would be bird shot. (#10 Drop Shot) Round two would be Buck and the other two would be slugs. (Always leave an empty chamber under the hammer.)

I'm going to have to look into one of these for the wife.

Cat

I've seen the weapon. It's a little unwieldy, but it works well for a close-quarters defense weapon.

Taurus has been steadily increasing in reliability over the years. I remember test-firing a Model 669VR back in the early nineties (I've always liked wheelguns) and not being all that impressed. Five years later, I tested another one, and it was smooth as silk. They've definitely become a leader in personal firearms.

ETA: There's no need to leave an empty chamber under the hammer in a revolver anymore. I've seen numerous models -- including Taurus -- dropped on the hammer with a fully-loaded cylinder without incident.

 

[SeaCat]

I've seen the weapon. It's a little unwieldy, but it works well for a close-quarters defense weapon.

Taurus has been steadily increasing in reliability over the years. I remember test-firing a Model 669VR back in the early nineties (I've always liked wheelguns) and not being all that impressed. Five years later, I tested another one, and it was smooth as silk. They've definitely become a leader in personal firearms.

ETA: There's no need to leave an empty chamber under the hammer in a revolver anymore. I've seen numerous models -- including Taurus -- dropped on the hammer with a fully-loaded cylinder without incident.

I haven't fired one but they do look nice. Better than my fathers cut down .410.

Load a short barrel with Bird Shot and all you have to do is point it in the general direction. A good thing for home defense.

Taurus has some good Wheel Guns out there. I've fired a few and liked them.

My personal sidearm is the 92 FS modified to my personal specs. A bit bulky for concealed carry but I can hit what I want to with it. Then again my personal home defense weapon of choice is a combo kit. Kukri in the right hand and steel Baton in the left. (Then again I live in a Mobile home and there is nothing quite out of reach in it.)

This would be something for the wife on those too often evenings when I'm not home. All she would need is one or maybe two shots.

Cat

 

[The_Fool]

They make a six inch barrel. Pattern is crazy wide on the .410. Shoots 45 LC nicely. Five round revolver.

 

[slyc_willie]

I haven't fired one but they do look nice. Better than my fathers cut down .410.

Load a short barrel with Bird Shot and all you have to do is point it in the general direction. A good thing for home defense.

Taurus has some good Wheel Guns out there. I've fired a few and liked them.

My personal sidearm is the 92 FS modified to my personal specs. A bit bulky for concealed carry but I can hit what I want to with it. Then again my personal home defense weapon of choice is a combo kit. Kukri in the right hand and steel Baton in the left. (Then again I live in a Mobile home and there is nothing quite out of reach in it.)

This would be something for the wife on those too often evenings when I'm not home. All she would need is one or maybe two shots.

Cat

I have a Browning Hi-Power that I used as my personal duty weapon. I may be old-fashioned in this regard, but the Browning is near perfection as far as I'm concerned. I once had one chambered for the .41 Action Express -- now that was a hell of a weapon. The stopping power of a magnum with a ten-round clip in a weapon as easily concealable as the Browning.

I've also got a good old-fashioned S&W Model 19, customized with Pachmyer grips and night sights. With the right loads, it can stop anyone with a double tap.

Weapons like the Judge are good for home defense when accuracy is compromised by poor lighting and adrenaline. IIRC, the Judge can also be loaded with .45 Colt rounds, when accuracy is needed. It's a very versatile weapon.

It's too bad they don't make Glaser rounds anymore (except, I think, for military and law enforcement). Those had some serious stopping power. But they were deemed "too violent" for private use.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

When I read Cat's opening post, I was surprised. Buck in a .410? Where would you get that? But a check with Federal Premium brings forth a round that must have been designed in concert with the Taurus folks. .410 2 1/2" 0000 buckshot (4 of 'em). Amazing.

Personally, I'm a Govmint .45 sort m'self. But where I live, nothing ever happens--and we like it that way!

 

[ms.read]

all this talk about guns is making me hot! where would i go to learn more about them in a general sense. i want to learn how to shoot with some stopping power. also gun cabinet?

 

[SeaCat]

I have a Browning Hi-Power that I used as my personal duty weapon. I may be old-fashioned in this regard, but the Browning is near perfection as far as I'm concerned. I once had one chambered for the .41 Action Express -- now that was a hell of a weapon. The stopping power of a magnum with a ten-round clip in a weapon as easily concealable as the Browning.

I've also got a good old-fashioned S&W Model 19, customized with Pachmyer grips and night sights. With the right loads, it can stop anyone with a double tap.

Weapons like the Judge are good for home defense when accuracy is compromised by poor lighting and adrenaline. IIRC, the Judge can also be loaded with .45 Colt rounds, when accuracy is needed. It's a very versatile weapon.

It's too bad they don't make Glaser rounds anymore (except, I think, for military and law enforcement). Those had some serious stopping power. But they were deemed "too violent" for private use.

Glasers were good but had very little penetrating power.

I stack the mag in my 9. Hydroshock followed by ball. (This is the mag for home defense. Outside carry is pure ball.) At home I have a Laser Sight in place of the guide rod. Good for snap shooting at close range. Not so good however for someone who is not trained in stress shooting which would be my wife.

Cat

 

[SeaCat]

When I read Cat's opening post, I was surprised. Buck in a .410? Where would you get that? But a check with Federal Premium brings forth a round that must have been designed in concert with the Taurus folks. .410 2 1/2" 0000 buckshot (4 of 'em). Amazing.

Personally, I'm a Govmint .45 sort m'self. But where I live, nothing ever happens--and we like it that way!

I run with a 9mm personaly, but that's a personal preference. (I'm used to it having caried it for more years than I care to think about.)

Where I live is very quiet but not too far from us is one of southern Florida's most violent areas. I'm not overly worried about things but I do want my wife to be prepared in case the scuzzies decide to come out of their Hood and do some visiting.

Cat

 

[slyc_willie]

Glasers were good but had very little penetrating power.

I stack the mag in my 9. Hydroshock followed by ball. (This is the mag for home defense. Outside carry is pure ball.) At home I have a Laser Sight in place of the guide rod. Good for snap shooting at close range. Not so good however for someone who is not trained in stress shooting which would be my wife.

Cat

115-grain Cor-Bons for me. Or, 147-grain sub-sonics.

I had a buddy who wanted to get a home defense weapon for his wife when he was away. She was trained to use various pistols, but preferred revolvers. Simple to use, clean, and load. We eventually settled on a classic .38 loaded with 200-grain lead slugs. They may not sound like much, but they hit like a sack of rocks. Not too much penetration, but anyone who gets hit by a round like that is most likely going to fall, or at least stagger. And the recoil was easy to handle.

 

[SeaCat]

all this talk about guns is making me hot! where would i go to learn more about them in a general sense. i want to learn how to shoot with some stopping power. also gun cabinet?

Nothing about a firearm to make one hot. They are there for serious reasons. They can change your life in ways you never thought about. Shooting someone is nothing like what the movies or some people talk about.

That being said shooting is a great method of relaxation and focusing of ones mind. The best way to learn about it is to find a reputable range and go down to talk with people. Talk with the Range Master. Tell him or her that you haven't shot before and ask their advice.

It is only after you have shot a bit that you can really start thinking about owning one, then you have to think about why you want one. If it's for home defense or personal defense you have to think about such things as what are your needs.

For home defense you can choose a larger fire arm that has more impact. It;s less easy to conceal but packs a bigger punch.

For personal defense, ie. concealed carry you have to choose between impact and ease of carry.

Many, many questions to answer.

First though go out to a range and do some shooting. (Many ranges have rental guns or laoners so you can try them and shooting in general.)

Cat

 

[slyc_willie]

When I read Cat's opening post, I was surprised. Buck in a .410? Where would you get that? But a check with Federal Premium brings forth a round that must have been designed in concert with the Taurus folks. .410 2 1/2" 0000 buckshot (4 of 'em). Amazing.

Personally, I'm a Govmint .45 sort m'self. But where I live, nothing ever happens--and we like it that way!

Never a bad move to go with the venerable 1911. I started shooting with my dad's service weapon, and that's probably why I like the Browning Hi-Power. It has the same action and grip safety.

 

[slyc_willie]

First though go out to a range and do some shooting. (Many ranges have rental guns or laoners so you can try them and shooting in general.)

Cat

There are also firearms training classes in many cities. It's very intimidating the first time you pick up a weapon, almost to the point where you're afraid to do anything with it for fear of making a fatal mistake. But with a little practice and familiarity, shooting can be very easy and fun.

And don't worry about handling the recoil; with enough practice, anyone can shoot anything. I've seen 110-pound waifs fire off a .44 magnum without flinching.

 

[ishtat]

It's "the glorious 12th today." You should be in Scotland shooting Grouse. Tho' I wouldn't take that gun.

 

[DesertPirate]

An excellent weapon. I would love to have one.

Cat, all revolvers now have a built in safety so the hammer can't hit the firing ping unless the trigger is pulled. My Ruger Security Six (got it in 82) has a transfer bar moved up into place by the trigger mechanism.

I have never liked 9MM, to weak. The reason John Browning put 13 in the Hi Power was because it might take all of them to put someone down.
The 45 ACP was invented because the 38 was too weak for Army use in the Philippines during the Huck insurection. A 9MM is just a 38 short!

 

[voluptuary_manque]

It's "the glorious 12th today." You should be in Scotland shooting Grouse. Tho' I wouldn't take that gun.

No you should have one like this.


http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/1volupturary_manque/DavidMcKayBrownSxS.jpg

 

[R. Richard]

I have to wonder about the recoil of a .410 round in a pistol, especially when a woman is firing.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

I have to wonder about the recoil of a .410 round in a pistol, especially when a woman is firing.

Since any smart pistolero uses both hands, a 2.5" shell is peanuts.

 

[Weird Harold]

I have to wonder about the recoil of a .410 round in a pistol, especially when a woman is firing.

It's much less than the .45 round the Judge also accepts. and a .45 LC isn't all that difficult a round as far as recoil either -- less than a .357 magnum for the same bullet weights.

 

[penandpaper]

Nothing I know of is less long-term damaging and non-lethal, yet incredibly powerful than my bear spray. (Apologies to Voluptuary right now. ) If it keeps a grizzly away at forty feet, think of what it will do to someone breaking into a house. No human I know of can take the punishment that a bear can.

Non-lethal, incapacitating, good range, and small. And what's even better is that if a kid gets a hold of it he won't kill his/her friend with it.

 

[SeaCat]

Nothing I know of is less long-term damaging and non-lethal, yet incredibly powerful than my bear spray. (Apologies to Voluptuary right now. ) If it keeps a grizzly away at forty feet, think of what it will do to someone breaking into a house. No human I know of can take the punishment that a bear can.

Non-lethal, incapacitating, good range, and small. And what's even better is that if a kid gets a hold of it he won't kill his/her friend with it.

Yep,

Bear Spray and other incapacitating Sprays are good. Unfortunately they have one small problem in a place like mine. Back Spray.

Cat

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Anyone who has been through Basic Training will agree with the incapacitating effects of CS gas and its relatives. The problem with any chemical agent, as Cat so accurately pointed out, is the tendency to turn and bite the user. That's one of several reasons why it never developed a fan base inside the military. The same thing holds true for bio-war. You really need to be trained in any weapon that you choose to use.

 

[DesertPirate]

No you should have one like this.


http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/1volupturary_manque/DavidMcKayBrownSxS.jpg

I want one!

 

[voluptuary_manque]

I want one!

The price begins at £14,000, before engraving. But I want one, too. Better, I want two.

 

[R. Richard]

I don't have a fancy shotgun. I do have a 10 gauge. I keep it loaded with 3 1/2 inch shells loaded WAY beyond magnum working on 00 buck loads with #12 shot filling in the gaps. My 10 gauge may not be fancy, but it has STOPPING POWER!