Islamic Republic Explained?

[JackLuis]

I was watching the news and found this on the BBC about how Iran's Government works. or is supposed to.


And you thought our government was complicated?

 

[JackLuis]

I also found this , excerpts form Middle Eastern papers on Iran.

 

[TE999]

Damn! That's one confusing flow chart.

Of course if one cuts to the chase, everyone in government from Amadinnerjacket on down including the army and the cops are the mullahs sock puppets. That so-called government is but whipped cream on a cow flop. Now they're getting nukes?

 

[JackLuis]

If you think that was confusing think about the Organization that is hidden behind the Mosque?

Here

Who's on top and in charge? Not Amidenijad.

 

[Liar]

It's actually pretty simple. That flowchart ust complicates things.

Three big things are (supposedly) elected by the people in general elections:

The President
The Parliament
The Assembly of Experts

The Assembly of Experts appoints or fires the Supreme Leader whenever then feel like it. (But it's customary to ler a Supreme sit til he croaks, the goal is political stability. And anything than an Ayatollah at the job would be unthinkable.)

The Supreme Leader appoints udges, generals and shit.

And last, as you pointed out, the President is the Supreme Leader's bitch. Not officially, they're supposed to be equal. But come on. Who's got the general and judges, and shit?

 

[ishtat]

The most important fact about the Iranian elections is that all the candidates have to be approved by the supreme leader, therefore even Mousavi the so called liberal is a right wing cleric and extremist from the 79 revolution. Iran is a dictatorship and it dismays me that Foreign leaders do not go beyond the president ( a puppet) and address all their remarks to the so called supreme leader.

All Iran did in 79 was to replace a Secular Monarchy with a Theocratic Monarchy.

 

[DesertPirate]

Looks like the dfinition of cluster fuck to me.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

It looks like revolution in the making to me.

 

[JackLuis]

It looks like revolution in the making to me.

Well the Bright boys and girls at Columbia said, link Here

"The probability that a fair election would produce both too few non-adjacent digits and the suspicious deviations in last-digit frequencies described earlier is less than .005. In other words, a bet that the numbers are clean is a one in two-hundred long shot. "

 

[TE999]

Well the Bright boys and girls at Columbia said, link Here

"The probability that a fair election would produce both too few non-adjacent digits and the suspicious deviations in last-digit frequencies described earlier is less than .005. In other words, a bet that the numbers are clean is a one in two-hundred long shot. "

A rigged election in Iran? I'm shocked, do you hear, shocked that such a thing could happen.

If those protesters don't get some weapons or the army behind them, pretty soon it's gonna make Tianimen Square look like a tea party.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

A rigged election in Iran? I'm shocked, do you hear, shocked that such a thing could happen.

If those protesters don't get some weapons or the army behind them, pretty soon it's gonna make Tianimen Square look like a tea party.

And they just might. Not from us, of course, we'd never do anything like that.

 

[JackLuis]

A rigged election in Iran? I'm shocked, do you hear, shocked that such a thing could happen.

If those protesters don't get some weapons or the army behind them, pretty soon it's gonna make Tianimen Square look like a tea party.

I'm thinking the Supreme Leader has painted himself in a corner. He waffeled then passed the buck, after a few days he said, "Do as you're Told" and the people, who have had to put up with this shit for the last thirty years, seem to have had answered NO! Show us the votes!

I hope BO can keep his finger off the trigger, chaos in Iran might be in our own interests.

 

[ishtat]

One thing that confuses me is that the USA hasn't tried to get Iran onside a bit in Afghanistan. The Hazara, an Iranian speaking and culturally Shi'ite group of 7 million are the largest minority in Afghanistan and are constantly oppressed by the Sunni Pushtun majority. Iran already has 750000 Hazara refugees and has indicated a willingness to take on the Pushtun's in border clashes.

It seems to me that it would be in US interests to involve/embroil the Iranians in Afghanistan in defense of their Shi'ite brethren. If they did well it would be good and if they did badly that might be even better. It has always struck me as good policy to get the Moslems fighting each other if we can. Iranians generally are so contemptuous of their neighbours especially the Sunni or the Arabs( or both) that getting them to squabble shouldn't be too hard. The only neighbour Iran will not fight with willingly is Turkey.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

The only neighbour Iran will not fight with willingly is Turkey.

Given the reputation that the Turks have had for centuries, that's no surprise!

 

[JackLuis]

After a week of confrontation the Guardian Council, who was investigating the alleged fraud, said that in fifty precincts there were evidence of "fiddling" but the vote came out right anyway. Despite the fact that in one case there were more votes in the box than voters in the booths?

I guess we will have to refer to Iran, not as an Islamic Republic but as the Islamic repression. Now that we know that the Supreme Leader is really the Supreme manipulator, perhaps the world will give Amidenijad the respect he deserves, none!

 

[SumLightCat]

Given the reputation that the Turks have had for centuries, that's no surprise!

Which reputation was that? The sick man of Europe?

 

[oggbashan]

Which reputation was that? The sick man of Europe?

That was in the 19th century before the revolution when Turkey had expanded beyond its ability to govern subject peoples.

The Turks were ferocious and principled opponents to the British and Australian forces at Gallipoli and elsewhere. Their military competence then and now is significant in the region.

They may not have the modern hardware available to the US and its allies but they do have the will to fight.

Og

 

[jacks4u]

But alas, Iran seems to be going the way so many other false democracies go, striate to the pit of dis-content, upheaval, and ultimately repression.

which was it this winter? ummm Congo? or similar.

The peoples of the world have come to understand Democracy is a method of governance that includes the governed as stakeholders, and gives them certain rights to choose who among them actually speaks on their behalf, that person attempts to enact the will of the governed.

but when those people find their form of democracy is a sham? or someone has gamed the system? I shudder to think of the possibilities